DOOM: Behind the Music by Mick Gordon - General

[QUOTE=I_love_garrysmod;50431516]If he can already play instruments, why would he go through the effort of mimicking the sound in a VST? He is a sound designer so I imagine he has plenty of VSTs, but musicians aren't and shouldn't be expected to limit themselves to digital just because it's accessible. There's definitely a very subtle sound from certain analog equipment, but I'd hardly say he's missing the point of music by trying to keep that sound. If anything, it'd be harder to make completely digital music. Why go through the trouble of loading up a guitar VST and clicking a bunch of notes in on a piano roll, or playing it on a keyboard, and then adding all the articulations in later when he could just record himself playing the guitar? The instrument he was probably already using to write the music Then there's workflow, for people who are just more familiar with analog equipment and probably grew up with it. I remember reading about this kind of thing in the Mixing Engineer's Handbook which is pretty much full interviews of mixing engineers who work with hardware. You can go digital and use a mouse and keyboard and maybe a few hardware controllers, or just have the hardware itself ready to go. It's easier to work with something when you can physically touch it[/QUOTE] I can understand using a guitar in person because although it's possible, it can be difficult to emulate realistic guitar playing. Plus, if you know guitar already, there's no reason not to. And I don't have a problem with using hardware synthetic s a novelty, but I think people go farther than that and say, "This is how it should be." I kind of feel the same way about vinyl - people say vinyl is "soulful" whereas I'd rather leave out all the fuzz and imperfections in exchange for digital, clean sound. And in my music, if I want those imperfections, I can simulate that in a controlled environment. I don't think it would be as weird if people just treated it like another tool. I've talked to people who treat it as the thing that will somehow pump soul into their music and sound, and that music without true analog is soulless. I feel like sometimes they miss the point. Again, I really dig this soundtrack so no problems there - it's just weird to see that push for analog.

I personally don't care about how analog vs digital sounds, but I do appreciate analog more because that typically comes with the element of having to play an instrument and there's just something much more respectable about perfoming a kickass instrument solo versus making cool sounding beeps and boops electronically. And, to bring it back to the DOOM music, it sounds great and I still don't care if it's analog or digital. I love all the little throwbacks to classic Doom.

[QUOTE=redBadger;50431698]I don't care to explain because I'm on my phone and really don't feel like explaining. Hardware cant be perfectly emulated. There's time and a place for both hardware and digital options but if I had the choice I would use analog equipment over digital first and foremost. There's a reason why a lot of pros use analog gear. Learn for yourself why this is[/QUOTE] I've never really been concerned with what the pros think. I like problem solving on my own or with the short circle of friends I have. We regularly use sample libraries and plugins to create our music, and I think Hamst3r does a fine job with the music he makes. It's all within a DAW. The only stuff he does irl is play the harpejji. I dont think people would notice a difference.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50431914]I've never really been concerned with what the pros think. I like problem solving on my own or with the short circle of friends I have. We regularly use sample libraries and plugins to create our music, and I think Hamst3r does a fine job with the music he makes. It's all within a DAW. The only stuff he does irl is play the harpejji. I dont think people would notice a difference.[/QUOTE] Dude I was literally looking up your Sign of Evil remix to post in this thread and you're already posting in it. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e32Q2dhhBhA[/media] I must be like half the views by this point it owns.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50431914]I've never really been concerned with what the pros think. I like problem solving on my own or with the short circle of friends I have. We regularly use sample libraries and plugins to create our music, and I think Hamst3r does a fine job with the music he makes. It's all within a DAW. The only stuff he does irl is play the harpejji. I dont think people would notice a difference.[/QUOTE] if you prefer digital then power to you if you prefer analog then power to you whats the problem here

I have to say, one of my favorite themes has to be the combat themes that are played whenever you're in a general surface area. [video=youtube;9sfRM23N8q4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sfRM23N8q4&feature=youtu.be[/video]

[QUOTE=Sepia Gnome;50429505]I really like how well done the music is in Doom 4, however I am somewhat disappointed by the lack of variety. It's all cranked up to 12 all of the time during gameplay. I would have liked to hear some slower more ambient stuff for some of the slower segments [video=youtube;3HZEF6Ujsl0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HZEF6Ujsl0[/video] Or even some Aubrey Hodges style stuff. [video=youtube;1IE1NmyrbWA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IE1NmyrbWA[/video][/QUOTE] Or this. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhCNx-8Qos[/media]

^ Suspense up there is great

[QUOTE=Clovernoodle;50428733]it sounds pretty swell sped up too [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuO3ZlMqDYg[/media][/QUOTE] it's better at 1.25x than 1.5x the original is too slow, but 1.5x is too fast.

[QUOTE=Robman8908;50428351]The music was the very first thing to stand out for me with the new Doom. Haven't played it yet, but goddamn do I love the music. Speaking of... I've always wanted more industrial metal (minus any vocals) for when I'm playin' shit with terrible/no music, that like NIN feel, Doom feel, etc. Anybody know some more I could check out?[/QUOTE] NIN Ghosts album is probably what you're looking for. I honestly love it. [editline]31st May 2016[/editline] That or zYnthetic, the dude who made the Killing Floor soundtrack(s). [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLDDEm6cBQ[/media]

[QUOTE=Protocol7;50431911]I personally don't care about how analog vs digital sounds, but I do appreciate analog more because that typically comes with the element of having to play an instrument and there's just something much more respectable about perfoming a kickass instrument solo versus making cool sounding beeps and boops electronically.[/QUOTE] But he uses a sequencer anyways? It's not hard to output control voltages from your computer.

[QUOTE=Caulo32;50432019]Dude I was literally looking up your Sign of Evil remix to post in this thread and you're already posting in it. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e32Q2dhhBhA[/media] I must be like half the views by this point it owns.[/QUOTE] Thanks a ton! [QUOTE=cdr248;50432161]if you prefer digital then power to you if you prefer analog then power to you whats the problem here[/QUOTE] It's not really a direct problem - from what I've heard from the soundtrack it's great. But it seems like sometimes people use hardware [I]just because[/I], which wouldn't necessarily be the worst thing ever except sometimes it's presented as something ultimate, pure, or important. I've seen starting music producers simply loathe themselves and their work just because they think it's the hardware that made the household artists we know in love. In reality, it's many artist's willingness to experiment with sound and present them with their own signature creativity that isn't necessarily mustered up in expensive hardware. In fact, a lot of the awesome stuff that analog brings to the table I regularly simulate with stuff like tape saturators in my mixing to add that analog fatness without needing shell out the extra dough for the real thing. I'm more worried about creating my sound without focusing on authenticity. From another point of view, it just seems needless. I mean, power to him for wanting to mess around with sound like that, but I think there's workflows that are more efficient and produce similar if not nearly identical sounds. I don't think he should feel bad for it, I just don't understand it, is all. I'm more than likely going to buy the soundtrack after I get paid for this website I'm working on and have spent money on some necessities because I appreciate the atmosphere he brought to the new Doom. [editline]1st June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Butthurter;50433543]how about neither bc that was a bad remix of e1m1 and even mick gordon is ashamed of it just stick with the actual one used in the game, thanks[/QUOTE] Indeed - the one he started with was the one that prompted me to try remixing DOOM, because I thought he was taking it in a very strangely "dubsteppy" direction that wasn't really evoking DOOM. The newest and final version is really great.

[QUOTE=Ta16;50428724]My personal favorite: [video=youtube;pNkQMtZAMAw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNkQMtZAMAw[/video][/QUOTE] sounds like something out of killing floor 2

I know I might sound like a heretic or something but I really don't like the Doom 4 soundtrack. I can't place my finger quite on why. I think it could be because the style changed so radically with all the wubwubs influenced from sound movements like dubstep and shit creating an inorganic overdrive. Half of it is essentially just distortion and electronic bubble sounds and it just triggers 'edgy trailer music' sirens in my head when I hear it. Similar to what happened to [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv6jQmQStjc]Battlefield's music[/url]. I dunno, it just didn't hook me like the soundtracks from Doom 1-3 did the first time I heard them. I doubt I'll be looking back on it in years to come and saying "fuck, Doom 4 music was awesome". For reference, some of songs from the previous games that made me know they were a keeper: [media]https://youtu.be/BSsfjHCFosw[/media] [media]https://youtu.be/9E7MPl4G2Qc[/media] [media]https://youtu.be/SzI7DLR0DPU[/media] At the end of the day though, music is incredibly subjective and everyone likes different stuff. I don't think it is bad, it is just very different to the style I was hoping for.

As someone who loves industrial music, the Doom 4 soundtrack is fantastic. I honestly think it perfectly encapsulates what the new Doom game is about: its Doom through the lenses of modern pop culture. It doesn't play much like the original Doom at all, instead it is a ridiculous(ly fun) caricature of its predecessors. And the music is just that as well.

[QUOTE=Jackald;50428742]The E1M8 choir coming in during the hell stuff was probably my favorite part. It really gave Hell a distinct musical tone. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoIO80N5pcg[/media][/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure I've heard that choir before or something very very similar. I think it was in Bloodborne?

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;50438908]I'm pretty sure I've heard that choir before or something very very similar. I think it was in Bloodborne?[/QUOTE] All of Bloodborne is choir

[QUOTE=StrykerE;50430578][video=youtube;u4GLsBW171s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4GLsBW171s[/video] I like the remix of the Doom 3 theme at 1:40 and the leadup to it[/QUOTE] This and the main menu short version (that also plays when you complete trials) are my favourite. It's a crazy good soundtrack. [editline]3rd June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=xalener;50428354]Ministry, Cubanate, though those both have vocals[/QUOTE] Cubanate have a few with only instrumentals.

Highly impressed with mick gordons work, but honestly, i prefered his work on Wolfenstien the old blood / TNO. That soundtrack was fucking phenonminal, likely helped by that game having a story to tie the music too i guess but yeah, good stuff. [video=youtube;54OPOTX4bNY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54OPOTX4bNY[/video] [video=youtube;44WsFyEOuoM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44WsFyEOuoM[/video]

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;50449029]Highly impressed with mick gordons work, but honestly, i prefered his work on Wolfenstien the old blood / TNO. That soundtrack was fucking phenonminal, likely helped by that game having a story to tie the music too i guess but yeah, good stuff. [video=youtube;54OPOTX4bNY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54OPOTX4bNY[/video] [video=youtube;44WsFyEOuoM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44WsFyEOuoM[/video][/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyHIAtfTkKU[/media]

I like Mick's cover of 'The Song of the French partisan' [video=youtube;TG_ZEovDDKk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG_ZEovDDKk[/video]

No love here for the main menu music? When I first heard this playing the open beta, I knew for sure I was going to like the sound track of the game. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJI8JDnLH3Y[/media]

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;50438908]I'm pretty sure I've heard that choir before or something very very similar. I think it was in Bloodborne?[/QUOTE] No, the first Doom. E1M8 song, 'Sign of Evil'. Unless you're taking about the Choir itself and not what they're singing. [video]https://youtu.be/4Rs-m91AJgw[/video]

no love for tnt? [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAi1q0LkTs4[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egL9YxgOfP8[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6oFkBT0cMs[/media] (especially this one was very haunting to me when i played it at a younger age, still is) [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34N_D2ecAFc[/media]

I cannot stand any of Final Doom's level design, but TNT's soundtrack is shockingly underrated. [video=youtube;ozn0ZBU1k24]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozn0ZBU1k24[/video]

Except that's a remix TNT's [I]actual[/I] soundtrack is horrible for the most part. [editline].[/editline] You can't really blame Tom Mustaine for it though, this was probably pretty damn impressive for an amateur MIDI composer like himself with whatever equipment was available back in the day that he could get his hands on.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50430559]The solution is not to get most VST's as well as understand why the sound you want works. I don't ever like the suggestion that someone needs hardware.[/QUOTE] Even if you can mimic the sound exactly, you cant really play VSTi's the same way though, unless you have numerous MIDI controllers to mimic the instruments - at which point you might as well just play the real thing. Not that you cant do both, he does play a MIDI guitar controller a few times in the video.

[QUOTE=Kenneth;50454609]Even if you can mimic the sound exactly, you cant really play VSTi's the same way though, unless you have numerous MIDI controllers to mimic the instruments - at which point you might as well just play the real thing. Not that you cant do both, he does play a MIDI guitar controller a few times in the video.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;iSko8vHOf8g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSko8vHOf8g[/video] Pretty much the only controller you'll ever need. [editline]5th June 2016[/editline] Aside from a launchpad if you need lots of knobs.

If we're posting DOOM remixes I think this album (IDKFA) is probably the best there is. Captures the spirit of the original tracks 100% [video=youtube;qTJMDkpOqHI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTJMDkpOqHI[/video]