Half-naked PETA models spice up London Fashion Week with anti-fur protest
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[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49800202]He said he doesn't see why people like real fur. I said I don't see any problem with real fur itself, just the way they treat the animals they farm it from.
And that's why I said I want to hunt the animal(s) myself. Foxes, wolves, and coyotes all get hunted in Ontario and left in a field to rot as pests because they eat livestock and rabbits. If I can kill pests and eventually figure out how to have their pelts turned into a coat that means that I'm getting some use out of what I'm hunting, which is what I want. If I can figure out a way to use the coyotes I'm going to kill then I want to.[/QUOTE]
I think you're just using the word either incorrectly. You're making a counterpoint but your use of 'either' makes it sound like you're trying to agree.
You have to be a brave model to wear an old soviet gas mask. Especially with long hair like that. If you have a size that is too small, it fucking hurts to put it on and take it off.
I hate how most of the posts on this thread are just to do with the nudity of the models. Pay attention to the actual issues here.
[QUOTE=GisG56;49800573]I hate how most of the posts on this thread are just to do with the nudity of the models. Pay attention to the actual issues here.[/QUOTE]
Their decision to use nudity for more attention, they can suffer the consequences.
[QUOTE=Falkok15;49800553]You have to be a brave model to wear an old soviet gas mask. Especially with long hair like that. If you have a size that is too small, it fucking hurts to put it on and take it off.[/QUOTE]
Make fur coats from the torn out hair. Everybody wins.
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49800498]I think you're just using the word either incorrectly. You're making a counterpoint but your use of 'either' makes it sound like you're trying to agree.[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly certain either can be used when contrasting two things as I have.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;49800588]Their decision to use nudity for more attention, they can suffer the consequences.[/QUOTE]
At the same time though, it says more about the commenter than the models when all a post contains is "hey, cool tits".
[editline]23rd February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49800603]I'm fairly certain either can be used when contrasting two things as I have.[/QUOTE]
I don't agree that you can use it that way either. :downs:
[QUOTE=Nastardo;49797670]Everyone came for tits, i mean who cares what they think when you see tits?[/QUOTE]
I like breasts
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;49800650]do I give a shit?
peta is trash[/QUOTE]
Enough to respond apparently.
I've already said that PETA isn't a great organisation, but what do you think of animals being killed for their fur?
America is proudly founded on the taboo of nudity and anything sexual.
I can't help but giggle when I see a titty.
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49800720]Enough to respond apparently.
I've already said that PETA isn't a great organisation, but what do you think of animals being killed for their fur?[/QUOTE]
completely acceptable
animals are there for us to harvest and tame for a variety of purposes deemed worthy by us
fur is a pretty great thing and so is leather, and nothing comes close to having a nice slick genuine leather wallet with that particular smell of leather and its unquestionable sturdiness, if a few animals were killed so that i could have a nice wallet or a great winter coat then who gives a shit, they're animals and we're literally the top animal and we should reap our rewards being at the top of the food chain
if some people cared as much about other people as they cared about animals this world would be a lot fucking better let me tell you
[QUOTE=Melnek;49800812]completely acceptable
animals are there for us to harvest and tame for a variety of purposes deemed worthy by us
fur is a pretty great thing and so is leather, and nothing comes close to having a nice slick genuine leather wallet with that particular smell of leather and its unquestionable sturdiness, if a few animals were killed so that i could have a nice wallet or a great winter coat then who gives a shit, they're animals and we're literally the top animal and we should reap our rewards being at the top of the food chain [/QUOTE]
Even from a purely selfish and human-centric viewpoint, it is still a bad idea to kill animals for something as silly as fashion or style. As the dominant animal on this planet, we should probably be protecting the ecosystem that has provided us with an evolutionary advantage.
[QUOTE=Melnek;49800812]if some people cared as much about other people as they cared about animals this world would be a lot fucking better let me tell you[/QUOTE]
This is an argument for being more compassionate toward living things.
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49800860]Even from a purely selfish and human-centric viewpoint, it is still a bad idea to kill animals for something as silly as fashion or style. As the dominant animal on this planet, we should probably be protecting the ecosystem that has provided us with an evolutionary advantage.
This is an argument for being more compassionate toward living things.[/QUOTE]
protecting the ecosystem and using it for our own needs (and wants(!))are two entirely different things
you can make a few fur coats without pushing entire species to extinction, it's why there are scientists and biologists that devote their lives to monitor these things and predict their potential for harvest and how much is too much and then there's population control and a whole bunch of other shit designed to specifically make the ecosystem function and even flourish even with human intervention
killing a few chickens so that i could have a proper meal is essential. i want to wear nice clothes so killing a few geese, pigs, cows or sheep isn't going to hurt anyone. i frankly don't care.
[editline]24th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49800860]
This is an argument for being more compassionate toward living things.[/QUOTE]
i know its just that when i see people on my fb feed and on the internet in general lose their shit at puppies or kittens being abused but rationalize and even justify violent and horrific murder of PEOPLE i want to snap my own neck, it's just so fucking astounding how these "animal rights groups" sometimes lose their heads and are little bit too passionate about some puppies or cows or chickens when there are far more pressing matters to attend to like the slaughter of humans by other humans
one issue doens't absolve the other and nor should it overshadow it but some people lack perspective and its fucking stupid
[QUOTE=Melnek;49800949]protecting the ecosystem and using it for our own needs (and wants(!))are two entirely different things
you can make a few fur coats without pushing entire species to extinction, it's why there are scientists and biologists that devote their lives to monitor these things and predict their potential for harvest and how much is too much and then there's population control and a whole bunch of other shit designed to specifically make the ecosystem function and even flourish even with human intervention
killing a few chickens so that i could have a proper meal is essential. i want to wear nice clothes so killing a few geese, pigs, cows or sheep isn't going to hurt anyone. [/QUOTE]
So you make a few of these fur coats because you can, maybe a lack of regulation allows you to. Great, right? No harm done, just a few innocent animals killed for fashion. But then you put these coats in a fashion show. Suddenly demand is way up, and without regulation you're not killing a few animals, but thousands.
Even with regulation, what does it say about a society that justifies the killing of animals purely for fashion? Remember, this is about fur, not leather or hide from meat-producing animals. Nobody eats chinchilla corpses etc after their fur becomes a fashion item.
[QUOTE=Melnek;49800949]i frankly don't care.[/QUOTE]
All that shows is that you are uninformed or just a boring person.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;49800588]Their decision to use nudity for more attention, they can suffer the consequences.[/QUOTE
I guess so, but I think it is kind of sad that people have to go such lengths to get attention for the cause that they are standing up for.
Humans are weird.
Do good and evil actually exist?
Is there any reason for any of this aside from the fear of our own survival?
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49801034]So you make a few of these fur coats because you can, maybe a lack of regulation allows you to. Great, right? No harm done, just a few innocent animals killed for fashion. But then you put these coats in a fashion show. Suddenly demand is way up, and without regulation you're not killing a few animals, but thousands.
Even with regulation, what does it say about a society that justifies the killing of animals purely for fashion? Remember, this is about fur, not leather or hide from meat-producing animals. Nobody eats chinchilla corpses etc after their fur becomes a fashion item.[/quote]
"a few animals" was a wide metaphor for thousands or tens of thousands or even millions depending on analysis and time frame, it doesn't matter how many are killed, but how many can be killed without harm to the ecosystem at large and by extension, us.
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49801034] All that shows is that you are uninformed or just a boring person.[/QUOTE]
and regurgitating slogans like "innocent animals" makes you a cardboard cutout of a loony animals right activist, so what? what people like you fail to understand in your blind questioning of fundamental human aspects and wants, is that animals are not equal to us. a cow is not worth the same as a person, ten thousand cows are not equal to one person either. this is because we have spent roughly 80,000 years fighting to get to where we at right now, we have perfected hunting so much so that we erected entire factories to harvest animals from the second they are born up until the moment they're dead. we are literally god at this point, to them.
and somewhere along the line of us fighting these animals we developed fashion so that we could also look nice whilst killing said animals to survive. we liked it so much that we even erected factories to focus on harvesting nice furs and leathers because we consider these things nice and attribute value to them. we can continue doing this while keeping an eye on NOT overdoing it because then it will fuck up the ecosystem. hence, for example, harvesting endangered animals for luxury furs is asinine.
we deserve this. and this is the only valid form of argument to take in this matter, because then you'll just go "but why" over and over again in a circular pattern to prove your point which is a common tactic that basically leads to nowhere and smothers the debate.
[QUOTE=doomevil;49797561]I didn't know Facepunchers did anti fur protests[/QUOTE]
Can't be Facepunch, there are girls.
[QUOTE=Melnek;49801135]"a few animals" was a wide metaphor for thousands or tens of thousands or even millions depending on analysis and time frame, it doesn't matter how many are killed, but how many can be killed without harm to the ecosystem at large and by extension, us.[/QUOTE]
It does matter how many are killed I just explained why.
So in the instance of fur, how many animals can be killed with 0 harm to the ecosystem?
[QUOTE=Melnek;49801135]and regurgitating slogans like "innocent animals" makes you a cardboard cutout of a loony animals right activist, so what? what people like you fail to understand in your blind questioning of fundamental human aspects and wants, is that animals are not equal to us. a cow is not worth the same as a person, ten thousand cows are not equal to one person either. this is because we have spent roughly 80,000 years fighting to get to where we at right now, we have perfected hunting so much so that we erected entire factories to harvest animals from the second they are born up until the moment they're dead. we are literally god at this point, to them. [/QUOTE]
Are you saying the animals aren't innocent, or do you have a problem with factual statements?
I never said animals were equal to us, but that doesn't mean we should kill them for trivial things like fashion. For someone who is supporting the strong, skilled, hunter-gatherer image of humanity, you sure are high-maintenance wanting that fur coat.
Give one good justification for the morality of killing something to use its skin for fashion.
[QUOTE=Melnek;49801135]and somewhere along the line of us fighting these animals we developed fashion so that we could also look nice whilst killing said animals to survive. we liked it so much that we even erected factories to focus on harvesting nice furs and leathers because we consider these things nice and attribute value to them. we can continue doing this while keeping an eye on NOT overdoing it because then it will fuck up the ecosystem. hence, for example, harvesting endangered animals for luxury furs is asinine.[/QUOTE]
I get that you are really pro-humanity, I am too. But you are going the wrong way about it. Killing things for fun and fashion is degrading to the animal and us. Even in this perfect world scenario of perfectly balancing the ecosystem with the fur trade (pipe dream by the way, look at the prevalence of poaching and its effect on animal populations), why is it moral to kill an animal so you can look nice?
[QUOTE=Melnek;49801135]we deserve this. and this is the only valid form of argument to take in this matter, because then you'll just go "but why" over and over again in a circular pattern to prove your point which is a common tactic that basically leads to nowhere and smothers the debate.[/QUOTE]
So you don't like people asking you why? Isn't your inability to back up statements a bit more of a problem than my curiosity?
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49801352]It does matter how many are killed I just explained why.
So in the instance of fur, how many animals can be killed with 0 harm to the ecosystem?
Are you saying the animals aren't innocent, or do you have a problem with factual statements?
I never said animals were equal to us, but that doesn't mean we should kill them for trivial things like fashion. For someone who is supporting the strong, skilled, hunter-gatherer image of humanity, you sure are high-maintenance wanting that fur coat.
Give one good justification for the morality of killing something to use its skin for fashion.
I get that you are really pro-humanity, I am too. But you are going the wrong way about it. Killing things for fun and fashion is degrading to the animal and us. Even in this perfect world scenario of perfectly balancing the ecosystem with the fur trade (pipe dream by the way, look at the prevalence of poaching and its effect on animal populations), why is it moral to kill an animal so you can look nice?
So you don't like people asking you why? Isn't your inability to back up statements a bit more of a problem than my curiosity?[/QUOTE]
okay lets play this dumb game of argumentative semantics friendo
what is innocence
why are all animals bar humans automatically innocent
why shouldn't we kill animals for fashion if it doesn't endanger the ecosystem which is in this instance the 'greater good' we are trying to preserve and the same logic mechanism behind controlling chicken populations since they are the most common source of meat
why is the act of eating meat more understandable than the act of indulging in fur-based fashion (both are the products of our evolution and development)
why is it degrading to dominate the lesser species by wearing their skin as fashion
who told you that the simple act of wearing fur is in and of itself, shameful and should be looked down upon (you heavily imply this)
who defines morality
what defines morality
why is it morally reprehensible to indulge in age old traditions like wearing fur from the carcass of an animal that was subdued and conquered
why is fashion inherently wrong or non-important
here's a load of irrelevant circular questions that all have inherently objective reasoning behind them meaning they cannot be definitively proven or disproven, have fun
[quote]So in the instance of fur, how many animals can be killed with 0 harm to the ecosystem?[/quote]
depends on the species obviously, what kind of stupid question is that
[quote]So you don't like people asking you why? Isn't your inability to back up statements a bit more of a problem than my curiosity?[/quote]
i don't like people asking dumb vague questions in order to prove a point as a substitute for an actual argument
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49800860]Even from a purely selfish and human-centric viewpoint, it is still a bad idea to kill animals for something as silly as fashion or style. As the dominant animal on this planet, we should probably be protecting the ecosystem that has provided us with an evolutionary advantage.[/QUOTE]
Protecting the ecosystem involves killing animals to regulate it. We, as predators, have a form of "natural duty" to eliminate parts of the fauna to avoid proliferation, something all predators do by instinct and that we do because we understand how nature functions.
A human being killing an animal to benefit off of their carcass (be it for meat, bones, fur, or anything else) isn't unnatural or selfish, it's a natural occurrence. The reason we essentially switched from using animal skins and fur for clothes to synthetic clothes and fabric is because it's considerably easier and cheaper to mass produce a nylon sweater than a leather doublet.
The amount of animals killed for fur and leather is marginal in comparison to the number of clothes made out of purely synthetic fabric or wool safely sheared from sheep.
O_O
that would be nice if they protested half-naked more often :smile:
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49800613]At the same time though, it says more about the commenter than the models when all a post contains is "hey, cool tits".
[editline]23rd February 2016[/editline]
I don't agree that you can use it that way either. :downs:[/QUOTE]
Okay now I get it.
The one on the Right is Hot,.
I understand these people don't like fur.
But how is fur [I]toxic?[/I]
How does peta still exist
[QUOTE=Sharker;49802889]How does peta still exist[/QUOTE]
Donators
Where are the migrants when you need them?
I wish PETA would realize if they chilled out and went the route of Mercy For Animals (a much more sensible and informative organization) they'd have a better impact. Seriously, all of PETAs advertising is through sex appeal or dumb parodies.
And on the topic of whether or not animal feelings should be considered or not, I've always thought not in terms of "is this animal as smart/valuable as me" but rather "does this creature have the capacity to feel pain" and respect their feelings a bit more.
I'm with this guy
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