[QUOTE=vodka quest;48419982]having a hard time imagining soldiers bothering to set this shit up in a warzone.[/QUOTE]But then again the will to stay alive is high.
[QUOTE=vodka quest;48419982]having a hard time imagining soldiers bothering to set this shit up in a warzone.[/QUOTE]
Better than shoveling dirt into HESCO's
[img]http://zbroya.info/storage/medias/2015/04/23/15/12131.jpg[/img]
You can just dump ceramic pellets into a significantly thinner barrier, yeah it'll cost much more to bring pellets, but saves space and time and ultimately lives in a more efficient manner.
Thats really, really simple. Im surprised nobody came up with this before.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;48419275]I'm really glad it can be used for peaceful applications as well.[/QUOTE]
What type of armor can't be used for peaceful applications?
[QUOTE=Str4fe;48420422]Thats really, really simple. Im surprised nobody came up with this before.[/QUOTE]
Looks simple but I bet it's 20x as pricey as shoveling dirt into some boxes like the above image.
[QUOTE=J-Dude;48419695]The issue I see is that as it takes hits, the high cover gets lower, and the container isn't going to do shit on its own. So a really determined person (admittedly, only if they know what they're up against) could spray the wall, walk up to it, and angle the barrel through the high empty sections.
And if that sounds too convoluted, then those sandbag style ones are gonna suck for the guy taking fire, and having to lower his head further and further as the pellets deplete. I hope those at least have a transparent inner-facing side so the poor guy knows his adjusted, effective cover at all times.[/QUOTE]
Ideally no one is able to walk that close to one of these because they're sitting in a FOB with others covering it as well. It'd be really dumb to advance directly into fire up to the wall of a FOB and start shooting the wall.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;48419725]So if you shoot a wall full of this stuff enough, you can shoot through the top of the wall and the bullets will go right through?[/QUOTE]
Nothing would be at the top of the wall though so it wouldn't make a difference...
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48418168]Wait, Saab do military stuff now? Fuck, I knew their cars were safe, but shit.[/QUOTE]
They started out as an aircraft company.
This was the first thing they made.
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Saab_17A.jpg/800px-Saab_17A.jpg[/t]
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[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;48420323]Better than shoveling dirt into HESCO's
[img]http://zbroya.info/storage/medias/2015/04/23/15/12131.jpg[/img]
You can just dump ceramic pellets into a significantly thinner barrier, yeah it'll cost much more to bring pellets, but saves space and time and ultimately lives in a more efficient manner.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about saving space. Hesco barriers fold flat, and the sand is already there. No need to waste space storing pellets everywhere. It also lets you make quick additions without waiting for pellets to get delivered.
[QUOTE=laserpanda;48420735]They started out as an aircraft company.
This was the first thing they made.
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Saab_17A.jpg/800px-Saab_17A.jpg[/t]
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I don't know about saving space. Hesco barriers fold flat, and the sand is already there. No need to waste space storing pellets everywhere. It also lets you make quick additions without waiting for pellets to get delivered.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing the pellets would be best used when time if of the essence or as a temporary measure when setting up a FOB.
I wonder if this can be used for tank armor. It looks like it would work really well against EFPs (HEAT), but sabot rounds might still fuck it up. And it'll probably be pretty bulky, although maybe lighter than ceramic plate.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;48420879]I wonder if this can be used for tank armor. It looks like it would work really well against EFPs (HEAT), but sabot rounds might still fuck it up. And it'll probably be pretty bulky, although maybe lighter than ceramic plate.[/QUOTE]
It certainly has potential for lighter vehicles against shaped charges. The only concern is how much it weighs and if it would strain vehicles for them to load that much ceramic balls to cover an the entire vehicle.
The only problem is that there is already a novel solution against shaped charges.
[img]http://olive-drab.com/images/id_stryker_icv_iraq_2005_03_700.jpg[/img]
In the case of the nylon bag, if it gets shot, won't all the pellets fall out? I'm thinking bean-bag-chair style, where the entire floor of the room is covered in foam dots
[QUOTE=Chinook249;48421168]In the case of the nylon bag, if it gets shot, won't all the pellets fall out? I'm thinking bean-bag-chair style, where the entire floor of the room is covered in foam dots[/QUOTE]
As long as the pellets are larger than the diameter of the hole, it should be fine. And bullets are actually quite small - only the .50 looks like it has any real chance of doing that.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;48419275]I'm really glad it can be used for peaceful applications as well.[/QUOTE]
Armor only exists to save lives. It's applicable to virtually anything regarding preventing harm from violence.
Seems like it would fare badly against explosives though. Expecting a fob to survive a mortar or rocket hit is probably reasonable, but if the outer wall isn't strong enough to prevent a direct hit from making a hole where the pellets can fall out, it probably isn't gonna be too useful in most circumstances. The best application would probably be for more civilian structures where you could maybe expect bullets, but not explosive.
[QUOTE=Tinter;48423143]Seems like it would fare badly against explosives though. Expecting a fob to survive a mortar or rocket hit is probably reasonable, but if the outer wall isn't strong enough to prevent a direct hit from making a hole where the pellets can fall out, it probably isn't gonna be too useful in most circumstances. The best application would probably be for more civilian structures where you could maybe expect bullets, but not explosive.[/QUOTE]
These walls were probably not designed to take on massive, direct hits above a RPG or a tank shell. I think when they say it can resist artillery/mortar shells, they were probably talking about the shrapnel coming from the explosion and not about the shell itself ramming through it.
Most likely it would still hold against the shock or a blast from a placed explosive or a near-hit of large ordnance.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;48420945]It certainly has potential for lighter vehicles against shaped charges. The only concern is how much it weighs and if it would strain vehicles for them to load that much ceramic balls to cover an the entire vehicle.
The only problem is that there is already a novel solution against shaped charges.
[img]http://olive-drab.com/images/id_stryker_icv_iraq_2005_03_700.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Don't these things have only like a 50% success rate?
[QUOTE=laserpanda;48420735]They started out as an aircraft company.
This was the first thing they made.
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Saab_17A.jpg/800px-Saab_17A.jpg[/t]
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I don't know about saving space. Hesco barriers fold flat, [b]and the sand is already there.[/b] No need to waste space storing pellets everywhere. It also lets you make quick additions without waiting for pellets to get delivered.[/QUOTE]
We won't always be fighting in desert regions, though.
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