[QUOTE=Elspin;52789831]Man with a 1060 in it it's not just an office productivity machine anymore, it has similar specs to my laptop that I do VR demos on. Assuming it holds up in reviews I might actually be able to get a laptop with features like a detachable tablet screen and pen for note-taking, because at least until now I haven't seen any other laptop that combines those with solid performance.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure the GPU's majorly underclocked, though, would overheat instantly otherwise
So while the performance is no doubt still going to be very impressive for the form factor, I can't imagine they'll perform anywhere close to a thicker laptop with sufficient cooling
Damn, Microsoft's product videos are probably the sexiest in the whole industry.
[QUOTE=loopoo;52791609]Bought a Surface Pro 4 on release, it was plagued with issues. Loads of people (myself included) experience unresponsive tablets that would refuse to turn on, or the screen would randomly turn off and you'd have to wait 30 mins to be able to turn it on again.
It also bragged about being able powerful enough for heavy duty stuff, but mine lags with Engineering programs (Solidworks, AutoCAD Inventor) and can't even run games on lowest settings (which I was led to believe it would be able to handle).
It's a decent laptop - don't get me wrong - but it's not worth it's over inflated purchase price. If I could go back in time, I'd just buy a regular laptop instead of a goofy laptop / tablet hybrid.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure the surface Pros are quite a bit weaker than the Surface Books.
[QUOTE=Paul-Simon;52791701]Pretty sure the surface Pros are quite a bit weaker than the Surface Books.[/QUOTE]
they definitely are, but I feel like microsoft overhypes and undersells their products.
Did anyone else get creeped out when the Microsoft logo popped up and the song went "I love you"
[editline]18th October 2017[/editline]
It's like I got sexually harassed by a multi billion dollar corporation
[QUOTE=loopoo;52791609]Bought a Surface Pro 4 on release, it was plagued with issues. Loads of people (myself included) experience unresponsive tablets that would refuse to turn on, or the screen would randomly turn off and you'd have to wait 30 mins to be able to turn it on again.
It also bragged about being able powerful enough for heavy duty stuff, but mine lags with Engineering programs (Solidworks, AutoCAD Inventor) and can't even run games on lowest settings (which I was led to believe it would be able to handle).
It's a decent laptop - don't get me wrong - but it's not worth it's over inflated purchase price. If I could go back in time, I'd just buy a regular laptop instead of a goofy laptop / tablet hybrid.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I never got the impression that I'd be really able to use those kinds of applications on my surface: it has integrated graphics, no matter what you do it's not going to run the shitpile that is Solidworks or the slightly better optimized Inventor.
I enjoyed my surface because of it's form factor, it's impressive battery life, and it's more-than-good CPU power relative to it's other traits (I mean, I was really loading that up with compile jobs).
[editline]18th October 2017[/editline]
its also kinda weird having friends who have worked on the hardware design for this, and some of the software intended for the surface book :v
[editline]18th October 2017[/editline]
like the latch that holds the cover to the rest of the tablet uses memory metal, so that's why it requires power to be attached (to get the metal to hold to the mechanism) and requires a button and light and such to safely detach
The entire reason I bought the Surface Pro 4 is because it's Intel Iris GPU was heavily marketed towards being for "engineers".
I use a Surface Pro 1 as my daily portable and I'm honestly really impressed with how well it handles things. I can play older 3D games at full resolution low graphics and it's fine. It really runs super smooth and slick under Windows 8.1. Battery life sucks asshole though, maybe 3.5 hours at best without a Power Cover.
All that said the 15" Surface Book looks supremely sexy, but the way they're charging an arm and a dick for the storage upgrade pisses me off since it's non-user-serviceable. $800 to go from a 256GB SSD to a 1TB is Apple tier price gouging. You don't appear to get anything else for the money, just storage.
I still really really want one. 17 hours of battery boggles the mind.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;52791690]Pretty sure the GPU's majorly underclocked, though, would overheat instantly otherwise
So while the performance is no doubt still going to be very impressive for the form factor, I can't imagine they'll perform anywhere close to a thicker laptop with sufficient cooling[/QUOTE]
They demonstrate VR applications in the video so while it will almost certainly be hotter than any of us will want a laptop and less powerful than other laptops with 1060s in them, I'd expect it to retain a good portion of the performance. As far as the 10 series go for vr the 1060 is kinda the minimum so there's not a huge amount of room for underclocking it there
[QUOTE=Trekintosh;52792827]I use a Surface Pro 1 as my daily portable and I'm honestly really impressed with how well it handles things. I can play older 3D games at full resolution low graphics and it's fine. It really runs super smooth and slick under Windows 8.1. Battery life sucks asshole though, maybe 3.5 hours at best without a Power Cover.
All that said the 15" Surface Book looks supremely sexy, but the way they're charging an arm and a dick for the storage upgrade pisses me off since it's non-user-serviceable. $800 to go from a 256GB SSD to a 1TB is Apple tier price gouging. You don't appear to get anything else for the money, just storage.
I still really really want one. 17 hours of battery boggles the mind.[/QUOTE]
Same, I checked with newegg and you can get a TB SSD in a compact form for only ~360 [i]Canadian dollars[/i]. I don't know why manufacturers do this (to phones as well), having low storage space makes a product feel really cheap and people typically understand they're being gouged
[QUOTE=loopoo;52791609]Bought a Surface Pro 4 on release, it was plagued with issues. Loads of people (myself included) experience unresponsive tablets that would refuse to turn on, or the screen would randomly turn off and you'd have to wait 30 mins to be able to turn it on again.
It also bragged about being able powerful enough for heavy duty stuff, but mine lags with Engineering programs (Solidworks, AutoCAD Inventor) and can't even run games on lowest settings (which I was led to believe it would be able to handle).
It's a decent laptop - don't get me wrong - but it's not worth it's over inflated purchase price. If I could go back in time, I'd just buy a regular laptop instead of a goofy laptop / tablet hybrid.[/QUOTE]
My SP4 is a piece of shit.
The fan for some reason won't kick itself to full power an update. (What pisses me off even more is that apparently its because people were complaining of the fan noise) There's no manual control available. I live in a hot & humid country and this thing suffers the problem where the screen turns into an old broken CRT screen when it heats up. Now my CPU is throttled down to 30% just so I can actually use it but at the same time it becomes so slow that its pretty much unusable.
I really hope Microsoft fixed their reliability issues, because these look to good to pass. I had an SP3 and 3 SP4. All of them had faults within a year. [URL="https://www.consumerreports.org/laptop-computers/microsoft-surface-laptops-and-tablets-not-recommended-by-consumer-reports/"] Things didn't improve at SP(5) and the Laptop either[/URL].
Its such a big shame because their direct competitor makes the most reliable products, while MS sits on the other end of the spectrum.
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[QUOTE=adam1172;52793550]My SP4 is a piece of shit.
[URL="https://www.consumerreports.org/laptop-computers/microsoft-surface-laptops-and-tablets-not-recommended-by-consumer-reports/"] Things didn't improve at SP(5) and the Laptop either[/URL].
[/QUOTE]
That Consumer Reports survey has been proven bullshit at worst, misleading at best.
[url]https://www.pcworld.com/article/3215232/tablet-pc/consumer-reports-surface-laptop-flap-is-based-on-data-from-past-surface-models.html[/url]
[quote]When Consumer Reports stopped recommending the Microsoft Surface Laptop and latest Microsoft Surface Book, it did so based not on those specific products’ reliability. Rather, the company used reliability surveys of earlier Surface devices (including Surface 3, Surface Pro 3, and the early Surface Book), according to a report the publication released Thursday.[/quote]
TLDR
They didn't even get survey data for the SP5/Laptop, they just used data from devices as old as the Surface 3 (not pro)(that ran on shitty intel atom processors). They also used data from when the Surface Book first came out and had tons of issues (which have since been resolved).
Yeah you know what, that report is just straight up bullshit.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;52794036]That Consumer Reports survey has been proven bullshit at worst, misleading at best.
[url]https://www.pcworld.com/article/3215232/tablet-pc/consumer-reports-surface-laptop-flap-is-based-on-data-from-past-surface-models.html[/url]
TLDR
They didn't even get survey data for the SP5/Laptop, they just used data from devices as old as the Surface 3 (not pro)(that ran on shitty intel atom processors). They also used data from when the Surface Book first came out and had tons of issues (which have since been resolved).
Yeah you know what, that report is just straight up bullshit.[/QUOTE]
That's good to know then. But I'm gonna stay at the skeptical side for now its impossible for me to look up for user reviews of the SP5 and Laptop because as of my attempts at google just leads back to the consumer reports thing for the first 20 pages.
My SP4 will become incredibly hot and have really loud, whirring fans even if I'm just browsing Chrome or watching Netflix. It's very silly.
[QUOTE=adam1172;52795317]That's good to know then. But I'm gonna stay at the skeptical side for now its impossible for me to look up for user reviews of the SP5 and Laptop because as of my attempts at google just leads back to the consumer reports thing for the first 20 pages.[/QUOTE]
If you want user reviews just look at places like Best Buy, Newegg, and Amazon.
[QUOTE=loopoo;52795625]My SP4 will become incredibly hot and have really loud, whirring fans even if I'm just browsing Chrome or watching Netflix. It's very silly.[/QUOTE]
My Surface Pro 1 becomes an absolute screamer as soon as it has to do any work. Browsing Chrome it's okay but fire up anything that requires more than about 50% CPU and it gets hot and heavy real quick.
I had a Surface 3 (the non-Pro Atom one) and that thing was a real piece of shit. And not because of the weak processor (though it did suck that if you used Chrome or anything, the tablet would heat up like a furnace and die in 2 hours of usage with medium brightness), but because it was actually an unreliable device.
It'd regularly refuse to turn on. The touch screen had dead zones at random times and Microsoft offered no help on either of the two occasions I went to the Microsoft Store for support. The Type Cover was unreliable and would sometimes miss keys. The touchpads, while better than most laptop touchpads, were still pretty awful.
It's a great machine on paper but I think Microsoft needs to focus on QA a bit more.
what the fuck are you guys doing to your surfaces? I had a surface pro 3 128gb and the following happened:
- dropped it from a small height, fell on corner, shattered screen
- suddenly stopped booting because the battery just welped
BUT as soon as I brought it into a microsoft store they replaced it with a new one for no cost, since I paid the $150 for the warranty plan. Just get the fucking warranty, jesus. The damn things are already cheaper than a good few ultrabooks (and easily half what their "main competitor" charges), and with the warranty you effectively get a guarantee of free replacements if anything goes wrong.
I used the type cover for 2 years in school, and had no issues with missed keys. I used my SP3 for development work for 8 months and had very few performance issues, until I started using fuckloads of headers that bring even my new powerhouse work desktop to it's knees. Surface's aren't going to have fuck-all for graphics hardware - that's to be expected. But they have a very respectable CPU, great battery life, and good warranty support (so long as you pay for the damn thing). Also, I managed to dual-boot my surface with an Ubuntu install which was really enjoyable, worked surprisingly well, and didn't end up welping my battery [I]that[/I] bad (even though you lose the instant-sleep/suspend that W10 does for the Surface).
Lastly, honestly consider using Edge on a Surface. It's loads lighter on battery life and RAM usage, and isn't what old internet explorer used to be.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;52795884]If you want user reviews just look at places like Best Buy, Newegg, and Amazon.[/QUOTE]
Pretty garbage way to find out about reliability though.
I had a surface pro 4 (i7 8gb 256gb) for a whole year and never had any problems.
I followed this guide from day one ( [URL]https://surfacetip.com/ultimate-tips-max-surface-pro-4-battery-life/[/URL] ) which was suggested by a coworker and
afterwards I never had any noise/fan/heat annoyances. I used it as my daily work laptop, Unity3D development for my side-projects and sketching drawings.
Year later, I've sold it on because I thought that a high-end laptop like Dell XPS would be a nice upgrade. Big mistake, I quickly regretted this decision
because SP provided something that I never thought I would miss. [I]Lightness and portability[/I], I just couldn't use the dell laptop the same way I used my surface.
When I got my surface the first time, I was surprised at how often I would use it compared to other laptops I had in the past.
I would use it the same way I use my phone and it never felt like a cheap under-powered mobile device.
After few days of trying to get used to this badass high-end version of dell xps, I returned it to the store and exchanged for the newest surface pro. No regrets.
As for the new SP, I didn't follow the optimization guide because I don't think it's necessary anymore.
Great battery life, performance, no noticeable heating issues.
I feel bad for those who had issues with the surface pro, because SP redefined the way I use laptops.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52797137]Pretty garbage way to find out about reliability though.[/QUOTE]
What? Critics and reports aren't going to find reliability, really. They're at best good for usability, performance, and relative comparisons in these fields to similar hardware. They don't really have the time to find out about reliability. And in this case, CR didn't even do a good job at comparing those items given their mix-up with the models and versions.
Whereas if there are reliability problems, you will find user reviews just positively [I]inundated[/I] in reports about these and how often things break. Who the fuck doesn't check things like Amazon reviews, at least minimally, in 2017? Even obscure bloody products will have hundreds of reviews sometimes, which can be super useful for aggregating an opinion based on a collective verdict.
This sounds like a case of you not doing any research on the product, giving it a cursory google at best, clicking the first result, and deciding "well my work here is done, time to drop a grand on a surface!"
[QUOTE=Protocol7;52796650]I had a Surface 3 (the non-Pro Atom one) and that thing was a real piece of shit. And not because of the weak processor (though it did suck that if you used Chrome or anything, the tablet would heat up like a furnace and die in 2 hours of usage with medium brightness), but because it was actually an unreliable device.
It'd regularly refuse to turn on. The touch screen had dead zones at random times and Microsoft offered no help on either of the two occasions I went to the Microsoft Store for support. The Type Cover was unreliable and would sometimes miss keys. The touchpads, while better than most laptop touchpads, were still pretty awful.
It's a great machine on paper but I think Microsoft needs to focus on QA a bit more.[/QUOTE]
Ive had an S3 for a few years now, even used it as a daily browser while my desktop was sitting itself. I never had any such problems. Battery life was normal, and heat was normal.
[QUOTE=paindoc;52797335]What? Critics and reports aren't going to find reliability, really. They're at best good for usability, performance, and relative comparisons in these fields to similar hardware. They don't really have the time to find out about reliability. And in this case, CR didn't even do a good job at comparing those items given their mix-up with the models and versions.
Whereas if there are reliability problems, you will find user reviews just positively [I]inundated[/I] in reports about these and how often things break. Who the fuck doesn't check things like Amazon reviews, at least minimally, in 2017? Even obscure bloody products will have hundreds of reviews sometimes, which can be super useful for aggregating an opinion based on a collective verdict.
This sounds like a case of you not doing any research on the product, giving it a cursory google at best, clicking the first result, and deciding "well my work here is done, time to drop a grand on a surface!"[/QUOTE]
It's mainly about what compels users to leave a review, which can lead to a very warped view. Of course, there will be some products that get absolutely flooded with reviews that can mark them as something to avoid. But not always, for example, right now on amazon the horrible surface 3 has a better score than the reported much better dell laptops (e.g. xps 13,) and the same as a MacBook pro.
To get a good objective view of reliability you really do need mass collected statistics like consumer reports tries to do.
Wow that is a beautiful device, 8GB of RAM seems a little out of place for this machine though.
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