Black Lives Matter Leader Robbed At Gunpoint; Asks For More Police - General

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;51051419][url]http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0141854[/url] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.25d0896bff13[/url] [url]http://sfdistrictattorney.org/sites/default/files/Document/BRP_report.pdf[/url] [url]http://sfdistrictattorney.org/sites/default/files/Document/BRP_report.pdf[/url] I can keep going if you like.[/QUOTE] Just going to talk about the "unarmed black person" thing. Not going to go into the traffic stops, I just haven't researched that sufficiently to say much about them. According to your own source "U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer." The exact same number of unarmed people have been shot of each of these two races. This is of course a problem, given that black people are only about 13% of the country It's not nearly as black and white as this makes it out to be, however. No pun intended. A huge chunk of the difference can immediately be made up by the fact that black people are simply much more likely to commit a crime in the first place. According to the [url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43]FBI, in 2013[/url] they committed about 28% of all crimes overall, and when it comes to violent crimes the numbers get way bigger. 39% of all violent crimes, 56% of robberies, 52% of all murders and nonnegligent manslaughter charges. Furthermore, according to [url=http://www.wnyc.org/story/resisting-arrest-black-white/]this article[/url] black people are almost twice as likely to resist arrest over minor offenses such as drug possession, petty theft and disorderly conduct. These and other factors might not make up all the difference, but they make up the vast majority of it.

Wasn't BLM founded from the "injustices" of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown? Both of them had received due process and were determined to be justifiably shot in those instances. So from the start, Black Lives Matter started with false narratives along with misinformation to "justify" outrage. But I guess they would rather run with the idea that we are supposed to correlate your level of outrage with a certain level of justification.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51052758]Wasn't BLM founded from the "injustices" of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown? Both of them had received due process and were determined to be justifiably shot in those instances. So from the start, Black Lives Matter started with false narratives along with misinformation to "justify" outrage. But I guess they would rather run with the idea that we are supposed to correlate your level of outrage with a certain level of justification.[/QUOTE] First - there were also cases like Eric Garner, and cases that happened after the beginning of the movement, like Freddie Gray. And really just a whole history of police being unfair to black people. Second - I don't think you know what "due process" means. Third - Trayvon being ruled as justifiably shot is still pretty disagreeable. George Zimmerman followed the guy in his car, at night, when they were alone on the street, got out of his car and pursued him on foot, caught up to him, and it's Trayvon's fault they got in a fight? In the fight Zimmerman got himself into, yeah, [I]technically[/I] he was justified shooting Trayvon, in order to defend himself. But it's Zimmerman's fault and his fault alone that he got into the fight in the first place. Because he was acting the same way someone looking to mug someone would, stalking them in a car and then trying to catch up on foot. He was the one picking a fight, thinking that Trayvon must have been a criminal. And yes, the media and some of Trayvon's relatives and friends did misleading edits or outright lied. But that doesn't automatically mean that Trayvon himself was suddenly someone who wasn't just trying to get home, and that Zimmerman wasn't someone thinking he was going to be a hero who caught the bad guy. Fourth - Yeah, the shooting of Michael Brown was justified. However, the Ferguson public didn't know that at the time. And it was a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation - just because you take the straw off and say "oops, that one didn't count" doesn't mean that the camel's back suddenly unbreaks itself. There was still a whole bunch of other underlying racial tension, Michael Brown was just the trigger. The riots and looting weren't justified, yeah, but I can see where the outrage came from at first, before they had the full information. Of course, there are still parts of BLM that run on misinformation or trumped up outrage. Hell, from what I remember reading, cops actually kill white people a little more proportionately. They are quicker to use excessive force with black people, though, from the same sources, iirc. There are legitimate racial issues, even if some of BLM take it too far or protest in the wrong way. You just don't hear about the more sensible parts as much, because reporting on that would be like reporting "nothing much bad happened today", or "firefighters did their job again", or "a teenager stole some cd's from a Walmart". It's just not nearly as interesting.

[QUOTE=Last or First;51052926]First - there were also cases like Eric Garner, and cases that happened after the beginning of the movement, like Freddie Gray. And really just a whole history of police being unfair to black people. Second - I don't think you know what "due process" means. Third - Trayvon being ruled as justifiably shot is still pretty disagreeable. George Zimmerman followed the guy in his car, at night, when they were alone on the street, got out of his car and pursued him on foot, caught up to him, and it's Trayvon's fault they got in a fight? In the fight Zimmerman got himself into, yeah, [I]technically[/I] he was justified shooting Trayvon, in order to defend himself. But it's Zimmerman's fault and his fault alone that he got into the fight in the first place. Because he was acting the same way someone looking to mug someone would, stalking them in a car and then trying to catch up on foot. He was the one picking a fight, thinking that Trayvon must have been a criminal. And yes, the media and some of Trayvon's relatives and friends did misleading edits or outright lied. But that doesn't automatically mean that Trayvon himself was suddenly someone who wasn't just trying to get home, and that Zimmerman wasn't someone thinking he was going to be a hero who caught the bad guy. Fourth - Yeah, the shooting of Michael Brown was justified. However, the Ferguson public didn't know that at the time. And it was a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation - just because you take the straw off and say "oops, that one didn't count" doesn't mean that the camel's back suddenly unbreaks itself. There was still a whole bunch of other underlying racial tension, Michael Brown was just the trigger. The riots and looting weren't justified, yeah, but I can see where the outrage came from at first, before they had the full information. Of course, there are still parts of BLM that run on misinformation or trumped up outrage. Hell, from what I remember reading, cops actually kill white people a little more proportionately. They are quicker to use excessive force with black people, though, from the same sources, iirc. There are legitimate racial issues, even if some of BLM take it too far or protest in the wrong way. You just don't hear about the more sensible parts as much, because reporting on that would be like reporting "nothing much bad happened today", or "firefighters did their job again", or "a teenager stole some cd's from a Walmart". It's just not nearly as interesting.[/QUOTE] 1. You named two people, then said we have a whole history of police being unfair to blacks. Show me the facts that back that statement up this decade. I am fine to stand by the side of BLM if they are fighting certain instances that are unfair, but the mainstream movement has generalized the disparities faced by black people as a symptom of institutional racism - this is false. 2. I clearly had that definition in mind when making my point: [t]http://puu.sh/rbCCA/4566d2ad91.png[/t] 3. It was settled in a normal judicial court with presumed fair treatment (due proces); there is nothing more that can be done. Just because you do not agree with the verdict does not inherently make it false. 4. Jesus Christ - this was the entire point of my post. People are running with the narrative before facts; the fact that you were not able to comprehend that speaks volumes about your critical thinking skills.

[QUOTE=Last or First;51052926]Fourth - Yeah, the shooting of Michael Brown was justified. However, the Ferguson public didn't know that at the time. And it was a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation - just because you take the straw off and say "oops, that one didn't count" doesn't mean that the camel's back suddenly unbreaks itself. There was still a whole bunch of other underlying racial tension, Michael Brown was just the trigger. The riots and looting weren't justified, yeah, but I can see where the outrage came from at first, before they had the full information.[/QUOTE] So maybe people should wait until they have enough information before getting outraged? The riots and looting weren't justified, neither was the outrage.

Anyone trying to push a narrative surrounding the fact that a person was "unarmed" is automatically being intellectually dishonest. Whether a person is armed or not is essentially irrelevant when deciding if a police shooting was justified. It's nothing more than a sneaky way to manipulate statistics in order to make your own side look better.

[QUOTE=Last or First;51052926]Third - Trayvon being ruled as justifiably shot is still pretty disagreeable. George Zimmerman followed the guy in his car, at night, when they were alone on the street, got out of his car and pursued him on foot, caught up to him, and it's Trayvon's fault they got in a fight?[/QUOTE] Yes. You start a fight it's your fault, if you sympathize with why then fine, but don't come slinging this mental gymnastics bullshit.

Lo and behold, the ignorant reap what they sow.

[QUOTE=RaptorJGW;51050894][t]http://i.imgur.com/0wj4Rjx.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Except both houses are burning. One maybe more than the other, but both are burning.

[QUOTE=Falstad007;51049778]I think we're seeing a shift in attitudes in response to the antics of the SJW left.[/QUOTE] The real dumb people are those who rated this post dumb. When you consider all this crap we see happening in American 'colleges', all this BLM stuff, stupid feminist arguments, all this race-baiting, awful establishment media, then of course, it makes complete sense that the alt-right is on the rise in response.

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51053880]Except both houses are burning. One maybe more than the other, but both are burning.[/QUOTE] Nah man didn't you hear? White people aren't affected by cops or police brutality.

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51053880]Except both houses are burning. One maybe more than the other, but both are burning.[/QUOTE]The picture illustrates that the Incident Commander switched to defensive operations after ruling the burning structure was a complete loss. By protecting the exposures, the surrounding houses are saved. From a realistic standpoint, the picture is a terrible mockery of the BLM phrase.

[QUOTE=Anteep;51056086]The real dumb people are those who rated this post dumb. When you consider all this crap we see happening in American 'colleges', all this BLM stuff, stupid feminist arguments, all this race-baiting, awful establishment media, then of course, it makes complete sense that the alt-right is on the rise in response.[/QUOTE] Some people planted the seeds of doubt a while back - It's kind of nice to watch them grow.