The Old Spice guy wants to play Luke Cage so bad, he made his own trailer.
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[QUOTE=beanhead;45989754]Theres falcon
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2e/TheFalcon.jpg/250px-TheFalcon.jpg[/t]
however hes from Captain America
Theres also storm
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/X-Men_Storm_Main.png[/t]
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also green lantern, who's kinda black i guess, sometimes[/QUOTE]
How can you forget this guy?
[video=youtube_share;7lLQiVWEil8]http://youtu.be/7lLQiVWEil8[/video]
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holy shit Garry Stop changing how media tags work.
[QUOTE=dark soul;45990954]How can you forget this guy?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lLQiVWEil8&feature=youtu.be[/media]
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holy shit Garry Stop changing how media tags work.[/QUOTE]
Oh fuck, I remember that show.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;45987899]"Black Panther doesn't count because he's the leader of a peoples who are technologically inferior to my own, thus he doesn't count"
Wonder Woman is totally cool tho right
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Blade is one of the most popular comic book heroes turned film heroes ever dude
not to mention Spawn has a MASSIVE following.
you very clearly are not a big comics dude, please do not speak on matters you are uneducated on[/QUOTE]
I was talking about black characters where their race isn't one of their main features, and Black Panther does not fit that bill. For one his name is [b]BLACK[/b] Panther, and he's the ruler of an [b]African[/b] tribe. So clearly, his race is a pretty big part of his character. I don't know why you decided to talk about WW, but if we were talking about people genders not being a central part of their character, she wouldn't qualify.
The thing I said about Blade is true, despite how popular he is, he will only ever be a vampire hunter really, he might be popular, but he isn't "mainstream" in comics, perhaps my wording was wrong there, by "mainstream" I meant more about them being active characters in their respective comic universe (Marvel Universe/DC universe). The Watchmen is one of the most popular comics ever, but it's not "mainstream" at all. Same goes for Spawn.
I read comics all the damn time man, don't put that shit on me.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;45991133]I was talking about black characters where their race isn't one of their main features, and Black Panther does not fit that bill. For one his name is [b]BLACK[/b] Panther, and he's the ruler of an [b]African[/b] tribe. So clearly, his race is a pretty big part of his character. I don't know why you decided to talk about WW, but if we were talking about people genders not being a central part of their character, she wouldn't qualify.
The thing I said about Blade is true, despite how popular he is, he will only ever be a vampire hunter really, he might be popular, but he isn't "mainstream" in comics, perhaps my wording was wrong there, by "mainstream" I meant more about them being active characters in their respective comic universe (Marvel Universe/DC universe). The Watchmen is one of the most popular comics ever, but it's not "mainstream" at all. Same goes for Spawn.
I read comics all the damn time man, don't put that shit on me.[/QUOTE]
Blade is arguably the most 'mainstream' non-superhero in his universe. He's basically Punisher tier in the fact that he's a pretty huge deal without being a superpowered alien or product of a biological spill. His actions have basically single handedly stemmed the Vampire population in the marvel universe, and without his work you'd be seeing a lot more "holy shit spiderman you gotta help hulk beat down this legion of party vampires"
Black Panther was created almost specifically to TRANSCEND the whole "he's just a black dude" schtick. He's not the leader of "an african tribe", currently he's the leader of the most technologically advanced civilization on Earth. Do you seriously think they called him Black Panther cause he's a black dude? Ignoring the fact that Panthers are fucking black to begin with, do you know who the Black Panthers were in history? I know you're not from America so you may not know about them, but I SERIOUSLY suggest you read up on the Black Panther Party so you understand his namesake, rather than the honestly disgustingly ignorant view of "he's black panther cause he's black and he has a panther costume duh"
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;45989671]uuuuuh
Wakanda was originally shown as a technological utopia, way ahead of most first world countries. Black Panther was one of the main characters who went against the stereotypes associated with African nations back in the 60's.[/QUOTE]
My point was that they really played up the african tribal part of their culture, and I'm not wrong about that, and even to this day some artists draw them [url=http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23342/1806265-wakandan_army__ww2_era_.jpg]using spears[/url].
Of course, the concept of them perhaps trying to hide the fact they're super civilized and advanced(kind of the whole point of that civilization is to not be well known so people dont fucking harass them all the time btw!) is a totally alien one.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;45991188]Blade is arguably the most 'mainstream' non-superhero in his universe. He's basically Punisher tier in the fact that he's a pretty huge deal without being a superpowered alien or product of a biological spill. His actions have basically single handedly stemmed the Vampire population in the marvel universe, and without his work you'd be seeing a lot more "holy shit spiderman you gotta help hulk beat down this legion of party vampires"
Black Panther was created almost specifically to TRANSCEND the whole "he's just a black dude" schtick. He's not the leader of "an african tribe", currently he's the leader of the most technologically advanced civilization on Earth. Do you seriously think they called him Black Panther cause he's a black dude? Ignoring the fact that Panthers are fucking black to begin with, do you know who the Black Panthers were in history? I know you're not from America so you may not know about them, but I SERIOUSLY suggest you read up on the Black Panther Party so you understand his namesake, rather than the honestly disgustingly ignorant view of "he's black panther cause he's black and he has a panther costume duh"[/QUOTE]
Again, you're almost purposefully misinterpreting what I'm saying. Yes, Blade does deal with vampires so other superheroes don't have to, but Blade is not a versatile character like Luke Cage is. If you saw Blade dealing with Skrulls, it would be an exception, rather than the norm.
I actually really like Black Panther, he's an awesome character! But you absolutely cannot deny that him being black is one of the most core parts of his character... which was my point to begin with! That Luke Cage is one of the only popular, mainstream black characters, whose being black doesn't define him! Name another character that's a big part of the MCU or DCU who's Black, and isn't entirely defined by being black. It's pretty much just Luke Cage. I would say Storm, but she isn't stand-alone.
Yes you absolutely can deny that, because by saying "Black Panther's core is that he's a black dude" is completely rediculous, narrow minded, and honestly kind of disgusting as it shows a complete lack of understanding or consideration for the character, and the fact that you've expressed such a limited understanding OF Black Panther, or what he was built off of, shows you're talking far outside your sphere of knowledge and honestly need to stop.
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Bishop and Nick Fury come to mind instantly, without having to even think about it
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For DC, there's the obvious John Stewart and Cyborg, again without putting any thought into it
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Iron Patriot is fairly prominent in Iron Man's personal tales as well, and him being fucking insane is a much more core feature than "but he's black"
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;45991281]Yes you absolutely can deny that, because by saying "Black Panther's core is that he's a black dude" is fucking retarded, narrow minded, and honestly kind of disgusting as it shows a complete lack of understanding or consideration for the character, and the fact that you've expressed such a limited understanding OF Black Panther, or what he was built off of, shows you're talking far outside your sphere of knowledge and honestly need to stop.[/QUOTE]
Stop twisting my words here dude, I was saying that [i]one[/i] of his main traits is that he's black! That isn't a bad thing! I agree with you, he's subverting stereotypes all over the place, and he's just a cool character in general, and it's not his whole character that is black, that's not what I'm saying.
My point was that Luke Cage ISNT that. He's a character who's main thing was being a hero for the inner city, and now it's a little more grey, but it usually comes back to that. Him being black is a part of his character, but it isn't really a focal point of his character.
John Stewart isn't really standalone, as he's just a successor to an originally white superhero. Nick Fury, up until VERY recently has always been white. And Iron Patriot, Cyborg and Bishop are all attached to groups (Avengers, Teen Titans, and X-Men), i.e. not standalone.
Thinking of the Teen Titans, Static and Bumblebee are fairly prominent as well
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[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;45991333]Stop twisting my words here dude, I was saying that [i]one[/i] of his main traits is that he's black! That isn't a bad thing! I agree with you, he's subverting stereotypes all over the place, and he's just a cool character in general, and it's not his whole character that is black, that's not what I'm saying.
My point was that Luke Cage ISNT that. He's a character who's main thing was being a hero for the inner city, and now it's a little more grey, but it usually comes back to that. Him being black is a part of his character, but it isn't really a focal point of his character.[/QUOTE]
How is literally being a hero for the inner city (something so cliched and obviously relating to the fact he's black and from the inner city himself) less of a focal point than Black Panther being a black dude who fucking brought his people to prosperity. They both literally have the same goals, but one of them is designed to, and pardon the wording here, a inner city man fighting for the inner city (stereo-typically black, of course!), while the other can't even be characterized by the fact he's black because he's in a skin tight suit that covers him a majority of the time, and when you -DO- see him as a black individual, it's when he's doing like political shit where he's just acting as the leader of a highly advanced civilization, of which he's the leader because he's a super genius. You could literally make Black Panther and his entire society white and NOTHING would change, aside from maybe some origin shit.
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John Stewart and black Nick Fury are arguably the most well known incarnations of their respective characters, so they'd be the most 'mainstream' of them all.
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All of those heroes I've said (besides MAYBE Bumblebee) have had plenty of their own sets of development personally, aside from their primary groups. Black Panther joined the Avengers to begin with, so by excluding people who are in groups because 'well they're not standalone' to try and prove a point that black characters aren't too prominent without the fact that they're black being a core principle of their character is ignorant anyhow.
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Luke Cage was literally birthed by Blaxploitation films and got fucking shoveled onto a team because his ONLY real trait was the fact he was black, and couldn't stand alone once that genre collapsed on itself
I would watch this movie.
Would be cool, though I do agree Terry Crews has a better build for the character.
On the topic of dudes who are super passionate about playing relatively new characters, either by being new or just new to the mainstream, I still wanna see Donald Glover as Miles Morales, that'd be fucking fantastic
Also, Nick Fury is like the Green Lantern. Sometimes 'African', sometimes 'Caucasian'.
[QUOTE=Minelayer;45991613]Also, Nick Fury is like the Green Lantern. Sometimes 'African', sometimes 'Caucasian'.[/QUOTE]
Not really.
Theres multiple Green Lanterns in DC canon, its an organization.
Nick Fury is white in pretty much everything but Ultimate Marvel and any alternate universes created post Avengers. Because they struck a deal with Sam Jackson about using his likeness for Ultimate Nick Fury, if he got to play the character in a movie.
It was on the topic of the most mainstream interpretation, that's all. Most people know Hal Jordan and John Stewart, though most people also know Hal was a dumb poopface and a bad lantern.
Nick Fury's popular depiction is as African American, that's just how people know him. Of course there's white Nick, he's totally cool too, that's the main reason I didn't mention Miles Morales. While I love Ultimate Spiderman, he's just not the popular depiction (at least not yet anyhow pls marvel make an ultimate spiderman film it'd save spiderman in the film industry)
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forget about that retarded debate over if characters are based around their races, lets talk about how SHITTY hal jordan was
War Machine?
Oh shit I'm sorry, I said Iron Patriot when I meant War Machine! I get my exosuits confused sometimes :(
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;45991643]Oh shit I'm sorry, I said Iron Patriot when I meant War Machine! I get my exosuits confused sometimes :([/QUOTE]
Its funny because in the comics, Iron Patriot is super white guy Norman Osborne :v:
i am an insensitive monster
all exosuits look the same to me
[QUOTE=Dermock;45983602]Although I wish him well I'm unsure how it'd be received... He'll always be "The Old Spice Guy" like Nick Cage is always just, well.. Nick Cage.[/QUOTE]
Before Bruce Willis played in Die Hard, he was mostly known for comedy acting and the studio was worried the movie would be terrible because of it. Now he's one of the most recognizable action stars of all time.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;45991694]i am an insensitive monster
all exosuits look the same to me[/QUOTE]
You need to mech your privilege
Thought you meant the creator of Spice Bros 2 made a new video. Was pretty hyped for a moment. Still cool.
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