Powerful PSA Might Change The Way You See Domestic Violence - General

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;44910709]If anything this video proves feminism's points even more: people on the streets perceived the that the women are too weak to significantly harm the man, while people assumed that the man was tough enough to take a beating from her. The problem is that shit won't get done if we just said EVERYONE all the time. In a perfect world where everyone needs or has the same rights, a movement like feminism or gay rights would be stupid, but it's not. You didn't personally say this, so this isn't targeted at you, but if you somehow think that things like #YesAllWomen and videos like that google glass domestic abuse one are against men, you're absolutely dead-fucking-wrong. "Not all men" are abusive assoles, but that doesn't mean that all men [I]aren't[/I] responsible.[/QUOTE] And yet you are against MRA, putting them all into one drawer. Even when they try to shed light on these issues about domestic abuse. How do you even come up with the idea that feminists care about mens problems at all? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey[/url] [QUOTE]Erin Patria Margaret Pizzey (born 19 February 1939) is an English family care activist and a novelist. She became internationally famous for having started one of the first[2] women's refuges (called women's shelters in the U.S.) in the modern world, Chiswick Women's Aid, in 1971,[3] the organisation known today as Refuge.[1] Pizzey has been the subject of death threats and boycotts because of her claim that most domestic violence is reciprocal, and that women are equally as capable of violence as men.[4][5][6] ... Pizzey said that militant feminists—with the collusion of Labour's leading women—hijacked her cause and used it to try to demonise all men, not only in Britain, but internationally.[12] After the hijacking the demand for a service for women survivors of domestic violence grew and soon public funding became available. Today, Chiswick Women's Aid has been rebranded as Refuge and is a national organisation that garners millions of pounds a year from a variety of sources, the primary one of which is the state. Pizzey has lamented that the movement she started had moved from the "personal to the political". .. Pizzey says that it was after death threats against her, her children, her grandchildren, and the shooting of her dog, all of which she states were perpetrated by militant feminists,[16][17] that she left England for North America. She returned to London in the 1990s where her insights were sought by politicians and family pressure groups.[/QUOTE] She wanted to establish safety shelters for men, and they killed her fucking dog and threatened her with death. [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] [video=youtube;VKgwczruOSQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKgwczruOSQ[/video] And what is this? Is this also a result of the patriarchy that feminists always talk about? How do you explain this disgusting behaviour? It is always the mens fault in the eyes of the feminists. Even when men are the victim. If you would turn this shit around by changing the genders it would be victim blaming, but not in the case of men.

In all fairness, Sharon Osbourne is a cunt, and whatever she says should not be taken seriously. Same goes for any other cunt out there, regardless of gender. But I have yet to see a guy who cracked jokes about african girls getting their clitoris sliced off with a razor. [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Impact1986;44912358]And what is this? Is this also a result of the patriarchy that feminists always talk about? How do you explain this disgusting behaviour? It is always the mens fault in the eyes of the feminists. Even when men are the victim. If you would turn this shit around by changing the genders it would be victim blaming, but not in the case of men.[/QUOTE] Because nowadays, men are guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around. You can thank the idiotic "Rape Culture" for that.

I'm pretty sure I've been a victim of something like this. Getting bullied by a girl in high school so I reported her to the school principle. Afterwards she and her friends begin to judge me and think I'm bullying her so they begin shit talking to me in class and during lunch, removing me from facebook etc. Its absolute bullshit. I was even pretty good friends with those people before all that happened. Oh well

[QUOTE=Impact1986;44912358]How do you even come up with the idea that feminists care about mens problems at all?[/QUOTE] A philosophy concerning gender & gender relations completely neglects how the current system affects men? What an enlightening overview... I don't know anyone who calls themselves a feminist who also isn't an egalitarian. It's not like you can't be an egalitarian who happens to focus on gender equality between women and men, just as you can be an egalitarian who focuses on race relations or LGBT issues. It's like how you can be against American foreign intervention because the cost of the war in Iraq was absurd, or you can be against it because you believe in non-interventionism, or because you are a pacifist who doesn't believe in conflict whatsoever. There is overlap. Feminism is a subset of egalitarianism because it involves enforcing gender equality through focusing on issues women have in society, and remedying those issues with the end goal of achieving a general social betterment for all genders and sexes. The focus is on women's issues, but the idea is that by fixing those issues you can fix them for everyone in relation to them, e.g. feminine gender roles in relation to masculine ones that lead to men being forced to behave opposite to feminine ones whether they want to or not. "for every girl who's told she can't do math, there's a boy who feels he can't be an artist" ; "for every girl treated as delicate, there's a boy who's told he shouldn't cry". Anyone who wishes to talk about feminism should know all of this. It is pretty much as egalitarian a movement as you can get. [QUOTE=Pretiacruento;44912489]Because nowadays, men are guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around. You can thank the idiotic "Rape Culture" for that.[/QUOTE] [url]http://time.com/40110/rape-culture-is-real/[/url] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;44911530]Some elements of sexism negatively effect men, but attacking feminism is not the approach to solving those problems. I guess it's just easier to attack feminsm than having to fix those problems[/QUOTE] At the vaguest, most basic level, feminism calls for equality between the sexes. That includes taking male victims of domestic violence and sexual assault seriously. [QUOTE=Impact1986;44912358] And what is this? Is this also a result of the patriarchy that feminists always talk about? How do you explain this disgusting behaviour? It is always the mens fault in the eyes of the feminists.[/QUOTE] Do you know what "patriarchy" means? Patriarchy is a series of prejudices and gender roles; most but [B]not all[/B] of which happen to benefit men over women, that have been ingrained into a culture as a result of hundreds of years of sexism. It is perpetuated by people accepting those stereotypes at face value and allowing them to influence your behavior. "The patriarchy" is the current socially accepted (and passively enforced) mentality that dictates that men can't be raped because they're men and are supposed to get all the sex they can handle all the time. "The patriarchy" is the social norms that say guys are masculine and only like race cars and grillin' burgers, girls are frilly and play with barbies and sweep floors and can't be breadwinners. Do you see why feminists fight against that idea? For the betterment of [I]everyone[/I]?

This does personally piss me off because my mother is an alcoholic and OF COURSE being a women there's this stupid fucking double standard where she couldn't possibly be mean!!! my father works a dangerous job and sometimes he gets woken up just to get fucked with, but he pays for the bills. [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Citrus705;44912564]I'm pretty sure I've been a victim of something like this. Getting bullied by a girl in high school so I reported her to the school principle. Afterwards she and her friends begin to judge me and think I'm bullying her so they begin shit talking to me in class and during lunch, removing me from facebook etc. Its absolute bullshit. I was even pretty good friends with those people before all that happened. Oh well[/QUOTE] You can only hope she pisses someone really mean off and they break her arm but that's very unlikely to happen. When people bully in high school I'm not even sure what would work on them to be h

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912618][url]http://time.com/40110/rape-culture-is-real/[/url][/QUOTE] How 'bout no. Watch this video. [video=youtube;lNsJ1DhqQ-s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNsJ1DhqQ-s[/video] So, you were saying...?

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912618]A philosophy concerning gender & gender relations completely neglects how the current system affects men? What an enlightening overview... I don't know anyone who calls themselves a feminist who also isn't an egalitarian. It's not like you can't be an egalitarian who happens to focus on gender equality between women and men, just as you can be an egalitarian who focuses on race relations or LGBT issues. It's like how you can be against American foreign intervention because the cost of the war in Iraq was absurd, or you can be against it because you believe in non-interventionism, or because you are a pacifist who doesn't believe in conflict whatsoever. There is overlap. Feminism is a subset of egalitarianism because it involves enforcing gender equality through focusing on issues women have in society, and remedying those issues with the end goal of achieving a general social betterment for all genders and sexes. The focus is on women's issues, but the idea is that by fixing those issues you can fix them for everyone in relation to them, e.g. feminine gender roles in relation to masculine ones that lead to men being forced to behave opposite to feminine ones whether they want to or not. "for every girl who's told she can't do math, there's a boy who feels he can't be an artist" ; "for every girl treated as delicate, there's a boy who's told he shouldn't cry". Anyone who wishes to talk about feminism should know all of this. It is pretty much as egalitarian a movement as you can get.[/quote] You know why people don't think feminists care about this kind of thing? Because the only thing feminists say about these issues is "Oh yeah, we're against that too, on a theoretical basis". A pacifist and a non-intervensionist may have some theoretical overlap, but their goals and what they focus their efforts towards remain different. There is a theoretical overlap between egalitarianism and feminism, but in practice feminism as a movement doesn't make any effort to help male domestic abuse victims, because the priority is on female victims. There is no holistic solution that will solve all problems at once, and if you never make an effort in these issues then you can hardly claim you're helping at all. [quote][url]http://time.com/40110/rape-culture-is-real/[/url][/quote] And in support of the existence of Rape culture, we have an opinion piece by someone who started a hashtag and thinks "Rape is bad" is a revolutionary message. [quote]Do you know what "patriarchy" means? Patriarchy is a series of prejudices and gender roles; most but [B]not all[/B] of which happen to benefit men over women, that have been ingrained into a culture as a result of hundreds of years of sexism. It is perpetuated by people accepting those stereotypes at face value and allowing them to influence your behavior. "The patriarchy" is the current socially accepted (and passively enforced) mentality that dictates that men can't be raped because they're men and are supposed to get all the sex they can handle all the time. "The patriarchy" is the social norms that say guys are masculine and only like race cars and grillin' burgers, girls are frilly and play with barbies and sweep floors and can't be breadwinners. Do you see why feminists fight against that idea? For the betterment of [I]everyone[/I]?[/QUOTE] We can still fight the patriarchy if we just change the definition to include every single cultural aspect relating to gender. Just bundle it all the diverse issues together because that's easier to sell.

Well, what was the guy gonna do in the situation? How would people in a public place react to him pushing her off him and she falls down?

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912618] I don't know anyone who calls themselves a feminist who also isn't an egalitarian. It's not like you can't be an egalitarian who happens to focus on gender equality between women and men, just as you can be an egalitarian who focuses on race relations or LGBT issues. ... Do you see why feminists fight against that idea? For the betterment of [I]everyone[/I]?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Only when manhood is dead--and it will perish when ravaged femininity no longer sustains it "Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman" -- Letters from a War Zone, 1989, p. 14) (Andrea Dworkin) [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]We must startle them (flush them out) again and again and destroy them as a power, until even their last voice falls silent... when we have destroyed the cell of family, the heterosexual norm ... as our contribution to world events (world history) (Francoise d'Eaubonne, feminism or death, 1974 {reprint by women's offensive 1981}, p. 154) [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them. (Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor, "Lesbianism and Feminism: Synonyms or Contradictions?", in Going Too Far: The Personal Chronicle of a Feminist, p 178.)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex. (Valerie Solana, SCUM founder (Society for Cutting Up Men.) [/QUOTE] Very egalitarian indeed.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;44912729]How 'bout no. Watch this video. [video=youtube;lNsJ1DhqQ-s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNsJ1DhqQ-s[/video] So, you were saying...?[/QUOTE] I was talking about rape culture, not rape statistics. Don't get tunnel vision on only 2 sentences of the article... [quote]Is 1 in 5 American women surviving rape or attempted rape considered a cultural norm? Is 1 in 6 men being abused before the age of 18 a cultural norm?[/quote] ... and read the rest. [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Impact1986;44912766]Very egalitarian indeed.[/QUOTE] What about the crazy MRAs that say things like "I'll make you a rape victim if you don't fuck off," the ones that make highly sensational videos and practically invite their mindless idiot fans to flame people, the ones who make flash games where you beat up some lady who had the audacity to say "hey, maybe we should talk about sexism in games," or the ones that threaten and laugh at people who care about others' feelings about gender? "but the crazy ones" isn't an argument. A conservative could put across a really great argument for economic and social conservativism and you could use this same argument to say "yeah well what about the Tea Party? what about the Westboro Baptist Church? They don't agree with what you say but they're conservatives too!". Well, yes, they are, but they're also really extreme and dumb. Essentially your response boils down to "hey if you ask extremists about this, they might give you a different answer!"... well, okay, I guess? Anyone can identify as anything they want but it doesn't mean, as liberal, progressive feminists interested in equality, that we have to take their views into account every time we talk about what we believe in. We're not talking about what extremist anti-men "tumblrfemininazi" people think (or whatever other silly label is the flavour of the week). It's really difficult to have a progressive discussion about feminism and social inequality when every time a well-written answer is posted the retort is "Yeah? Well what about those people who say all sex is rape? What about the SCUM manifesto? Here, look at this obscure tumblr blog where a feminazi wants to kill all men!!" Cherry-picking quotes from fringe people and hailing them as representatives of a social movement, something which is the very opposite of monolithic... it's just a deflection. Those people aren't relevant and no-one here cares what they have to say.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912775]I was talking about rape culture, not rape statistics. Don't get tunnel vision on only 2 sentences of the article... ... and read the rest.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] Rape culture is a concept which links rape and sexual violence to the [B]culture of a society[/B], and in which prevalent attitudes and practices [B]normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape[/B].[/QUOTE] If there is a rape culture, how come rape is often seen as worse than murder? Why is rape illegal if there is a rape culture?

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912775]I was talking about rape culture, not rape statistics. Don't get tunnel vision on only 2 sentences of the article...[/QUOTE] I don't get tunnel vision, you're arguing semantics. Don't make it look like they're 2 different things, they're not. [quote]Is 1 in 5 American women surviving rape or attempted rape considered a cultural norm? Is 1 in 6 men being abused before the age of 18 a cultural norm? These statistics are not just shocking, they represent real people. Yet, these millions of survivors and allies don’t raise their collective voices to educate America about our culture of rape because of fear. Rape culture is a real and serious, and we need to talk about it. Simply put, feminists want equality for everyone and that begins with physical safety.[/quote] "Rape culture is real and serious"? Give me a fucking break. [URL="http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Detroit-Michigan.html"]In the most violent city in USA, the rape is 0.062%[/URL]. And even if 90% of rapes are unreported, that number would go up to a whopping 0.55%. Your 1 in 5 number is pure bullshit, yet you blindly believe it.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912775]I was talking about rape culture, not rape statistics. Don't get tunnel vision on only 2 sentences of the article... ... and read the rest. [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] What about the crazy MRAs that say things like "I'll make you a rape victim if you don't fuck off," the ones that make highly sensational videos and practically invite their mindless idiot fans to flame people, the ones who make flash games where you beat up some lady who had the audacity to say "hey, maybe we should talk about sexism in games," or the ones that threaten and laugh at people who care about others' feelings about gender? "but the crazy ones" isn't an argument. A conservative could put across a really great argument for economic and social conservativism and you could use this same argument to say "yeah well what about the Tea Party? what about the Westboro Baptist Church? They don't agree with what you say but they're conservatives too!". Well, yes, they are, but they're also really extreme and dumb. Essentially your response boils down to "hey if you ask extremists about this, they might give you a different answer!"... well, okay, I guess? Anyone can identify as anything they want but it doesn't mean, as liberal, progressive feminists interested in equality, that we have to take their views into account every time we talk about what we believe in. We're not talking about what extremist anti-men "tumblrfemininazi" people think (or whatever other silly label is the flavour of the week). It's really difficult to have a progressive discussion about feminism and social inequality when every time a well-written answer is posted the retort is "Yeah? Well what about those people who say all sex is rape? What about the SCUM manifesto? Here, look at this obscure tumblr blog where a feminazi wants to kill all men!!" Cherry-picking quotes from fringe people and hailing them as representatives of a social movement, something which is the very opposite of monolithic... it's just a deflection. Those people aren't relevant and no-one here cares what they have to say.[/QUOTE] Well if you dont want to be associated with said radical feminist which only focus on female issues, why not just call yourself egalitarian if you are caring about the issues of all genders?

Any rape is terrible, no question about it. But believing in the so-called "rape culture", making it look like there's a fucking rape epidemic, is incredibly stupid. It's a manufactured and sensationalized problem, period.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;44912806]Any rape is terrible, no question about it. But believing in the so-called "rape culture", making it look like there's a fucking rape epidemic, is incredibly stupid. It's a manufactured and sensationalized problem, period.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Impact1986;44912793]If there is a rape culture, how come rape is often seen as worse than murder? Why is rape illegal if there is a rape culture?[/QUOTE] Rape culture is when you go to friends and family for support and they ask what you were wearing. Rape culture is when patients hesitate to have a med-forensic exam because they're afraid their experience doesn't meet the definition of "real" rape. Rape culture is when you are repeatedly reminded that you were stupid for trusting a friend not to rape you. Rape culture is when public high schools spend hours each day policing girls' clothing, but 0 minutes in 4 years discussing consent. Rape culture is when a rapist's friends will condone the person's actions by doing nothing even though they agree what they did was wrong. Rape culture is when society sees rapists as creeps in dark alleys. Truth is, 90% of attackers are known to the victim. Friends, relatives, authorities. Rape culture is when songs like Blurred Lines are sung by children, families, radio personalities, ubiquitously. We have internalized it. Rape culture is when Facebook removes pictures of breastfeeding, but [URL="https://www.dropbox.com/s/295mk0a9g13fvw0/tumblr_n342ilDkrN1r83d7lo10_1280.png"]not crap like this[/URL]. Rape culture is when male victims of sexual violence aren't believed because "don't guys want to have sex all the time anyway" ?

Please. [video=youtube;FKgrYVtYSCk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk[/video]

[QUOTE=Impact1986;44912805]Well if you dont want to be associated with said radical feminist which only focus on female issues, why not just call yourself egalitarian?[/QUOTE] Overexposure of a very small minority is not the fault of the minority but those over-exposing them. I.E. people who post walls of cherry-picked quotes from extremists/radicals. It's not the responsibility of those sensible to separate themselves from extremists; it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. You should be smart enough to figure that on your own.

I think violence against men is a very important subject and something that really does need to be handled better than it currently is. I just wish it was brought up more respectfully as opposed to 'hah take this feminists, men have problems too!' which it often seems to be when discussed on the internet.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912821]Overexposure of a very small minority is not the fault of the minority but those over-exposing them. I.E. people who post walls of cherry-picked quotes from extremists/radicals. It's not the responsibility of those sensible to separate themselves from extremists; it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. You should be smart enough to figure that on your own.[/QUOTE] So why dont they call themselves egalitarian if they are egalitarian? And if you say that why is it okay to paint all of the MRA as misoginistic people?

[QUOTE=Impact1986;44912875]So why dont they call themselves egalitarian if they are egalitarian?[/QUOTE] Feminism is egalitarian — you should go back to the first page and read my post.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912889]Feminism is egalitarian — you should go back to the first page and read my post.[/QUOTE] Feminism is about womens issues, if you widen it up to mens issues it isnt feminism anymore but it turn egalitarian or humanitarian.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912814]Rape culture is when you go to friends and family for support and they ask what you were wearing. Rape culture is when patients hesitate to have a med-forensic exam because they're afraid their experience doesn't meet the definition of "real" rape. Rape culture is when you are repeatedly reminded that you were stupid for trusting a friend not to rape you. Rape culture is when public high schools spend hours each day policing girls' clothing, but 0 minutes in 4 years discussing consent. Rape culture is when a rapist's friends will condone the person's actions by doing nothing even though they agree what they did was wrong. Rape culture is when society sees rapists as creeps in dark alleys. Truth is, 90% of attackers are known to the victim. Friends, relatives, authorities. Rape culture is when songs like Blurred Lines are sung by children, families, radio personalities, ubiquitously. We have internalized it. Rape culture is when Facebook removes pictures of breastfeeding, but [URL="https://www.dropbox.com/s/295mk0a9g13fvw0/tumblr_n342ilDkrN1r83d7lo10_1280.png"]not crap like this[/URL]. Rape culture is when male victims of sexual violence aren't believed because "don't guys want to have sex all the time anyway" ?[/QUOTE] Strawmen, reasonable concerns about safety, misunderstandings that the police even try to correct, and assuming things you find offensive contribute to serious problems? If this is what rape culture is, you make a big noise for something so small. Of course what exactly do [i]you[/i] do about it? I see Police, the ones who are supposedly the power system in this oppression, working towards helping things, informing people, and improving public safety. I see [url=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/murder-victims-families-join-derryn-hinch-on-jail-to-justice-walk/story-fni0fee2-1226931998534]public figures here[/url], the ones who supposedly support rape culture by singing songs, marching and going to jail in a campaign for harsher sentences and a sex offenders registry. I see the health industry, supposedly the ones scrutinising rape victims to see if they're real, being the biggest proponents of healthy sexuality and education on this matter. And then we have feminists, the sole ones fighting rape culture, who have accomplished hashtags for awareness of their own existence, bullying Facebook and artists because you think a misinterpretation of a song harms anything, and the dangerous advice not to take any precautions because that's apparently victim blaming. The ones who don't realise all of society already sees any rape as a problem and the idea that we see even a few percent of women being rape victims as acceptable is completely absurd.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912814]Rape culture is when you go to friends and family for support and they ask what you were wearing. Rape culture is when patients hesitate to have a med-forensic exam because they're afraid their experience doesn't meet the definition of "real" rape. Rape culture is when you are repeatedly reminded that you were stupid for trusting a friend not to rape you. Rape culture is when public high schools spend hours each day policing girls' clothing, but 0 minutes in 4 years discussing consent. Rape culture is when a rapist's friends will condone the person's actions by doing nothing even though they agree what they did was wrong. Rape culture is when society sees rapists as creeps in dark alleys. Truth is, 90% of attackers are known to the victim. Friends, relatives, authorities. Rape culture is when songs like Blurred Lines are sung by children, families, radio personalities, ubiquitously. We have internalized it. Rape culture is when Facebook removes pictures of breastfeeding, but [URL="https://www.dropbox.com/s/295mk0a9g13fvw0/tumblr_n342ilDkrN1r83d7lo10_1280.png"]not crap like this[/URL]. Rape culture is when male victims of sexual violence aren't believed because "don't guys want to have sex all the time anyway" ?[/QUOTE] Easy on the Tumblr copy-pasta, cowboy.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;44912991]Easy on the Tumblr copy-pasta, cowboy.[/QUOTE] that's kind of funny coming from the person who's just pasted links from a conservative thinktank

Worst thing is, if he did actually punch her in the end, he is suddenly an inredeemable asshole.

I think one of the reasons feminism often conjures heated debates is because it's name implies it has to do with women only.

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;44913024]that's kind of funny coming from the person who's just pasted links from a conservative thinktank[/QUOTE] She came to her views before she joined the AEI. Also, ad hominem.

[QUOTE=pansarkurt;44913053]I think one of the reasons feminism often conjures heated debates is because it's name implies it has to do with women only.[/QUOTE] Whats terrible is that alot of people (even on this forum) want to prioritize women's issues at the cost of ignoring issues facing men. We should all be working towards equality and safety for both sexes and the first step would be getting rid of this whole feminism/MRA thing we have set up.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;44910709]If anything this video proves feminism's points even more: people on the streets perceived the that the women are too weak to significantly harm the man, while people assumed that the man was tough enough to take a beating from her. The problem is that shit won't get done if we just said EVERYONE all the time. In a perfect world where everyone needs or has the same rights, a movement like feminism or gay rights would be stupid, but it's not. You didn't personally say this, so this isn't targeted at you, but if you somehow think that things like #YesAllWomen and videos like that google glass domestic abuse one are against men, you're absolutely dead-fucking-wrong. "Not all men" are abusive assoles, but that doesn't mean that all men [I]aren't[/I] responsible.[/QUOTE] How did you spin tolerance of domestic violence against men as discrimination of women? Especially in a thread where people criticize feminism for being completely one sided and where other feminist(s) argue against that? You and people like you are the reason why people think that feminism is one sided and isn't about gender equality. [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912821]Overexposure of a very small minority is not the fault of the minority but those over-exposing them. I.E. people who post walls of cherry-picked quotes from extremists/radicals. It's not the responsibility of those sensible to separate themselves from extremists; it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. You should be smart enough to figure that on your own.[/QUOTE] And yet there's a clear separation from sensible christians and shits like westboro. There's a clear distinction between people who play video games and mountaindewcowadootydoritos people. If you want people to think that feminism cares for both genders then you should have said something to milkandcooki when he said that when people laugh at domestic abuse against men it's actually discrimination of women, because that just shows the opposite. Maybe if you people would stop trying to make it look like everything is the fault of men, you'd have a point. You can't go "we feminists fight for equality and we equally care for both men and women" and then say shit like "you can't discriminate men", "men are the fault of all gender roles", "every single gender role has misogynistic roots" if you want to be taken seriously.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;44912489]In all fairness, Sharon Osbourne is a cunt, and whatever she says should not be taken seriously. Same goes for any other cunt out there, regardless of gender. But I have yet to see a guy who cracked jokes about african girls getting their clitoris sliced off with a razor. [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] Because nowadays, men are guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around. You can thank the idiotic "Rape Culture" for that.[/QUOTE] "Rape culture" originally a term used to justify racism because white wimmin apparently needed the klan's protection. [editline]26th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44912618]A philosophy concerning gender & gender relations completely neglects how the current system affects men? What an enlightening overview... I don't know anyone who calls themselves a feminist who also isn't an egalitarian. It's not like you can't be an egalitarian who happens to focus on gender equality between women and men, just as you can be an egalitarian who focuses on race relations or LGBT issues. It's like how you can be against American foreign intervention because the cost of the war in Iraq was absurd, or you can be against it because you believe in non-interventionism, or because you are a pacifist who doesn't believe in conflict whatsoever. There is overlap. Feminism is a subset of egalitarianism because it involves enforcing gender equality through focusing on issues women have in society, and remedying those issues with the end goal of achieving a general social betterment for all genders and sexes. The focus is on women's issues, but the idea is that by fixing those issues you can fix them for everyone in relation to them, e.g. feminine gender roles in relation to masculine ones that lead to men being forced to behave opposite to feminine ones whether they want to or not. "for every girl who's told she can't do math, there's a boy who feels he can't be an artist" ; "for every girl treated as delicate, there's a boy who's told he shouldn't cry". Anyone who wishes to talk about feminism should know all of this. It is pretty much as egalitarian a movement as you can get. [url]http://time.com/40110/rape-culture-is-real/[/url] At the vaguest, most basic level, feminism calls for equality between the sexes. That includes taking male victims of domestic violence and sexual assault seriously. Do you know what "patriarchy" means? Patriarchy is a series of prejudices and gender roles; most but [B]not all[/B] of which happen to benefit men over women, that have been ingrained into a culture as a result of hundreds of years of sexism. It is perpetuated by people accepting those stereotypes at face value and allowing them to influence your behavior. "The patriarchy" is the current socially accepted (and passively enforced) mentality that dictates that men can't be raped because they're men and are supposed to get all the sex they can handle all the time. "The patriarchy" is the social norms that say guys are masculine and only like race cars and grillin' burgers, girls are frilly and play with barbies and sweep floors and can't be breadwinners. Do you see why feminists fight against that idea? For the betterment of [I]everyone[/I]?[/QUOTE] By pushing the radical (marx based) feminist idea of the patriarchy (look it up) you erode the faith others have in your support of Kantian liberalism. Can you understand this? Or do you simply accept the cognitive dissonance that comes with supporting two opposite positions?