[QUOTE=Shadaez;39940124]Wow you'd steal peoples money and donate it in your name? What a dick! They wanted that money to go to you for video production.[/QUOTE]
You're acknowledging she stole the money then? Nice :D
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39940104]
Could she not have asked people to send her 2nd hand games? Did she really need brand new ones?[/QUOTE]
Some games have online passes to them. I'm not saying that I disagree with you on this, but if she did buy them secondhand, people might criticize her for not analyzing the games thoroughly.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39940148]You're acknowledging she stole the money then? Nice :D[/QUOTE]
No, you'd be stealing peoples money if you used it for anything other than the what the Kickstarter intended, like donating it to charity. You really want her to be a criminal don't you? Why do you hate her so much?
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39940175]No, you'd be stealing peoples money if you used it for anything other than the what the Kickstarter intended, like donating it to charity. You really want her to be a criminal don't you? Why do you hate her so much?[/QUOTE]
Just using your own words man. You're the one claiming we "hate" her here. I disagree with what she stands for and what she does. Doesn't mean I "hate" her.
You must just like putting words in peoples mouth that much you can't help yourself eh?
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39940198]Just using your own words man. You're the one claiming we "hate" her here. I disagree with what she stands for and what she does. Doesn't mean I "hate" her.
You must just like putting words in peoples mouth that much you can't help yourself eh?[/QUOTE]
Explain to me how she stole the money when people willingly gave it to her and she's putting out the product that they paid for? What part of that is stealing? And how could you justify taking money for a certain product and then using it for other purposes, like for charity?
[QUOTE=Splarg!;39940081]His first point shows where he goes wrong with most of his arguments.
[img]http://i47.tinypic.com/f3uyjd.jpg[/img]
He's acting as if feminism is a personal pursuit and if someone does something that works against them it's not a big deal. In the words of the President, "women are not an interest group."[/QUOTE]
except no. as demonstrated from the discussions a few pages back, anything that doesn't adhere to their view of what a female character should be or isn't important enough apparently doesn't count. the assumption then is that they are designed to subjugate women and portray them badly, but that's not the case either, they simply don't give a fuck.
significant under-representation or legitimate poor representation i can understand, that's an issue across everything though and is more through poor writing. but for the most part these aren't actual bad examples, they are just examples that don't live up to her ideals of what a female character should be. the industry doesn't care about these ideals really and they're pretty shitty really, so as long as they don't fuck everything up horribly then they're perfectly fine occupying the middle-ground.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39940216]Explain to me how she stole the money when people willingly gave it to her and she's putting out the product that they paid for? What part of that is stealing? And how could you justify taking money for a certain product and then using it for other purposes, like for charity?[/QUOTE]
Putting out the product 9 months later, in parts, with research we've already heard from her in the past. There is nothing new in the videos.
If she received a vast sum of money , could she not turn to her backers and ask of them what to do? Could she not say, "Hey, looks like I got a ton of money, thanks! But this is waaaay too much to make a documentary with. Should I donate this to some charity? Or put it towards creating a game matching our ideology? Should I donate this in turn to another kickstarter you all agree with like a game development studio for making feminist friendly games?"
As the video I posted said. Why force an existing developer to take a risk making an expensive title that might crash and burn? If she is so confident that it can work, then take the risk yourself. She has shown the ability to generate large sums of money through the internet. She should surely be able to raise enough to actually be the change she wants to see and create a game fair to all genders.
I'm literally making this up as I go along, She must be able to come up with a better idea then "might as well just spend this extra 120,000 ish on myself"
Nope, if that happened, unless it was a unanimous decision, she would still be using money from people in ways it wasn't intended.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39940320]Nope, if that happened, unless it was a unanimous decision, she would still be using money from people in ways it wasn't intended.[/QUOTE]
Have kickstarter let backers withdraw extra funds during a time period then. Give them a week to withdraw a heavily over funded project. It's really not that difficult. I'd be pretty pissed with the final product had I put a sum of money on her to be honest.
Then she should give it back. She cannot manage to spend $150,000 on a series of twelve 15-minute videos.
This is a problem that affects all kickstarter projects.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39940334]Have kickstarter let backers withdraw extra funds during a time period then. Give them a week to withdraw a heavily over funded project. It's really not that difficult. I'd be pretty pissed with the final product had I put a sum of money on her to be honest.[/QUOTE]
So change the fundamental way that KickStarter works just because you disagree with the way one person used it? That's unfair.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39940320]Nope, if that happened, unless it was a unanimous decision, she would still be using money from people in ways it wasn't intended.[/QUOTE]
Not only that, How would they not agree with starting a developer for gaming with a feminist prospective? Do they not actually want games like that then? Do they just want to sit and moan at the existing software?
[editline]17th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39940359]So change the fundamental way that KickStarter works just because you disagree with the way one person used it? That's unfair.[/QUOTE]
So change the fundamental way that gaming works just because you disagree with the way one group of people used it? That's unfair.
Oh wait :D
[QUOTE=harryh11;39940358]Then she should give it back. She cannot manage to spend $150,000 on a series of twelve 15-minute videos.
This is a problem that plagues all kickstarter projects.[/QUOTE]
No, I would want her to have it. She's spent 9 months researching this, if she's doing this full time that's quite a lot of living expenses. Minimum of like 20,000 I'd say. And yeah, living expenses are a valid use of the funds. People paid for her to do this and if she's able to use the money to do this full time, it's a good use of funds.
[editline]16th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39940362]Not only that, How would they not agree with starting a developer for gaming with a feminist prospective? Do they not actually want games like that then? Do they just want to sit and moan at the existing software?
[/QUOTE]
that's not what it was for.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39940362]So change the fundamental way that gaming works just because you disagree with the way one group of people used it? That's unfair.
Oh wait :D[/QUOTE]
Games don't 'fundamentally' have to be against women. Most critically acclaimed games feature good female characters. Do you really not agree with the message she's putting out? Basically, "treat women in games better". This is good for everyone.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39935758]I dont think you have a clear understanding of life dude.
Its like im talking to the most sheltered person in the entire world, you seriously think someone cant give consent if they are drunk? Why the fuck do you even think this?
Have you ever drank before or been drunk? Have you ever given fucking consent for sex for starters?
You spew the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
Its like you read some feminist blog, took that side because its the unpopular opinion on fp(because you gotta be that special snowflake) and then just say the dumbest shit in the world.
Real feminists probably think you are absolutely retarded with the shit you say.[/QUOTE]
how are you not banned for flaming yet lol
Shadaez has a point. This is Kickstarter, people shouldn't be throwing money they aren't uncomfortable with losing. You are not paying for stuff, you are investing/donating it. If you don't have any money to burn on KS projects, don't pledge.
You are literally putting trust in the project, and this is why you have to research before you do it. This is why KS projects should have a very clear outline on who they are, what they do, what they plan to do with this money and how they will do it.
[QUOTE=maqzek;39940434]Shadaez has a point. This is Kickstarter, people shouldn't be throwing money they aren't uncomfortable with losing. You are not paying for stuff, you are investing/donating it. If you don't have any money to burn on KS projects, don't pledge.
You are literally putting trust in the project, and this is why you have to research before you do it. This is why KS projects should have a very clear outline on who they are, what they do, what they plan to do with this money and how they will do it.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you can see the sillyness of that argument despite disagreeing with me.
If you honestly believe that games are "against" women. You are more deluded that I thought. You need help.
*whispers into earpiece*
"psst he's onto us, he's found out about our secret plot to turn all men against women using video games. Quick, go get Nintendo to develop another game about peach. Make her look good though this time!! "
Honestly.
Holy fuk its the Sanius Squad
can i have your guys' autograph?
[QUOTE=Splarg!;39940081]His first point shows where he goes wrong with most of his arguments.
[img]http://i47.tinypic.com/f3uyjd.jpg[/img]
He's acting as if feminism is a personal pursuit and if someone does something that works against them it's not a big deal. In the words of the President, "women are not an interest group."[/QUOTE]
Whoa man what are you doing?
Talking about the video that this thread is about? Get with the times.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39940456]If you honestly believe that games are "against" women. You are more deluded that I thought. You need help.
[/QUOTE]
honestly whats the point for anyone to respond to you if youre just gonna not listen anyway
you have zero respect for your opposition if you just automatically assume shit like that, and that point all you deserve is spite anyway
like for instance i just put hoodedsniper on my ignore list because most of the time hes either saying how dumb his opposition is or how hes not gonna post anymore (and continues posting anyway)
i clicked view post and i wasnt even wrong
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39940456]If you honestly believe that games are "against" women. You are more deluded that I thought. You need help.
*whispers into earpiece*
"psst he's onto us, he's found out about our secret plot to turn all men against women using video games. Quick, go get Nintendo to develop another game about peach. Make her look good though this time!! "
Honestly.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand that you don't have to intend for things to portray women negatively. They still do. No one has said it was intentional, just that it is. It's a fact that most women in games are not good characters. I admit it is a fact that most male characters are bad too, but men are usually portrayed, even if poorly, as a hero, and as a capable being.
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;39940463]Holy fuk its the Sanius Squad
can i have your guys' autograph?[/QUOTE]
i only sign boobs :)
[QUOTE=thisispain;39940486]honestly whats the point for anyone to respond to you if youre just gonna not listen anyway
you have zero respect for your opposition if you just automatically assume shit like that, and that point all you deserve is spite anyway
like for instance i just put hoodedsniper on my ignore list because most of the time hes either saying how dumb his opposition is or how hes not gonna post anymore (and continues posting anyway)
i clicked view post and i wasnt even wrong[/QUOTE]
View doesn't align with my own. Ignore.
Wish life was that easy.
[quote]Games don't 'fundamentally' have to be against women.[/quote]
I assumed from this right here sir.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39939755]ok dude it was a joke can you drop it[/QUOTE]
Coming from the guy who cried like 10 pages on a joke about Roxas I made.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;39940071][url=http://i.imgur.com/C8rVMqn.jpg]I was under the assumption that she used it to buy modern videogames.[/url] Hence why she's taking long.[/QUOTE]
There was an image pointing out that some of those games were already owned by Sarkeesian, not sure how many though.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39940533]View doesn't align with my own. Ignore.
Wish life was that easy. [/QUOTE]
well the important thing is that you found a way to feel superior while posting like an arse and thats good
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;39940463]Holy fuk its the Sanius Squad
can i have your guys' autograph?[/QUOTE]
[img]http://puu.sh/2j1yH[/img]
[editline]16th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;39940555]There was an image pointing out that some of those games were already owned by Sarkeesian, not sure how many though.[/QUOTE]
She wanted to take a pic of a lot of games, who cares if some of them were already owned? She never said she bought them all with the kickstarter money, so this is a pretty fruitless thing to bring up. Here is the picture as it appears on Feminist Frequency, her blog.
[img]http://puu.sh/2j1Ds[/img]
It doesn't say or hint anywhere that she bought these games with the kickstarter money, only that they're 'research materiel'.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39940533]View doesn't align with my own. Ignore.[/QUOTE]
Better than "Watch video. Disregard video. Post opinion that completely misses the point."
[QUOTE=moop900;39939750]I remember when games were about fun.
Heck, I remember when games did not pander to any ones agenda except its fan base.[/QUOTE]
I said that in another thread.
People just assumed I was completely against fighting sexism and all that stuff.
[QUOTE=maqzek;39940434]Shadaez has a point. This is Kickstarter, people shouldn't be throwing money they aren't uncomfortable with losing. You are not paying for stuff, you are investing/donating it. If you don't have any money to burn on KS projects, don't pledge.
You are literally putting trust in the project, and this is why you have to research before you do it. This is why KS projects should have a very clear outline on who they are, what they do, what they plan to do with this money and how they will do it.[/QUOTE]
I know this is now horrendously off-topic,
This is the problem with Kickstarter in general. It asks for the money and trust of the people who donate, but it offers little in return. You get the product, or the chance to have dinner with the creator or some shit but it does not (or rarely does) give the investor any stake at all in the product they are investing in. You donate %10 of the total fund because you're rich or something, and when the product sells billions worldwide all you're left with is lunch with the developers and a signed t-shirt (or some other "reward").
Now, kickstarter is probably better than leaving it all down to the publishers, however the situation outlined above could happen some day. And when it does I'm sure there will be some rage going on
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