[QUOTE=Devodiere;39943814]mate you need to learn about how internet trolling works, death and rape threats are the standard. i still hold to my statement about how her awful PR of magnifying trolls and pushing all her critics into this category certainly didn't win any friends and with her awful track record of videos claiming everything was sexist with no real substance behind her arguments, no-one expected much insightful.[/QUOTE]
oh please
barely anyone knew about her but as soon as she made the kickstarter a huge portion of the internet gaming community had a shitfit and flew into a misogynistic rage just for the fact that she said that she'd be making a video series in the future that examines the roles of women in gaming. when so many people are attacking her before she's even made a single argument then I'm pretty sure it's safe to push them all into the one category
if death and rape threats are the "standard" then it really says a lot about how the gaming community feels about women, and it also really says a lot about you how you pass it off as just something you have to expect and put up with
[quote]she still could've surprised everyone with something insightful and actually progressed shit by making people like thunderfoot come up with far more complex arguments than "someone being imprisoned doesn't remove any and all agency they ever had", people were trying to pick it apart and she could've used that to heighten the discourse, but of course she achieved absolutely nothing and turned it all into a shitstorm. so much for that.[/quote]
oh of course, it was her intention all along to turn it to turn it all into a shitstorm and receive all those constant death and rape threats
you're being delusional by blaming the entire shitfest on anita when it was the gaming community at large acting like babies at the simple idea of there being a woman criticising their precious medium
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39943875]oh please
barely anyone knew about her but as soon as she made the kickstarter a huge portion of the internet gaming community had a shitfit and flew into a misogynistic rage just for the fact that she said that she'd be making a video series in the future that examines the roles of women in gaming. when so many people are attacking her before she's even made a single argument then I'm pretty sure it's safe to push them all into the one category
if death and rape threats are the "standard" for women making videos then it really says a lot about how the gaming community feels about women[/QUOTE]
it says more about the average age of the gaming community where people think xbox live rhetoric is normal.
of course just as you'd always think the amazing atheist is a dumbass no matter what he speaks on based on previous comments, so too did people judge anita. investig8ive uses her review of my beautiful dark twisted fantasy as an example of her idiocy and if she can't even pick up on that, how does anyone expect her to make any insightful comments rather than doing what she's always done, do a preliminary analysis and call it sexist.
we are talking about two different demographics here, the ones that are interested in the deep analysis and can make their own arguments, and those who watch videos but don't really care. anita insults the former by making awful arguments that are as sturdy as twigs, and she insults the latter by starting a victimhood campaign and generalising everyone who might be dubious as a troll. she alienates everyone but her own base, makes such a basic video that it brings nothing to the table, and wonders why people attack her. she deserves a much smaller audience because that's what she caters to and this kind of publicity just shows how she shouldn't be a spokesperson for anything.
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[QUOTE]oh of course, it was her intention all along to turn it to turn it all into a shitstorm and receive all those constant death and rape threats
you're being delusional by blaming the entire shitfest on anita when it was the gaming community at large acting like babies at the simple idea of there being a woman criticising their precious medium[/QUOTE]
constant death threats and a huge sum of money both through kickstarter and ad revenue. you could make a very good argument that she's just using the feminist soapbox to gain money and publicity, but i dont give a shit about that, i just know she's being retarded whether intentionally or not.
really though, i give you all these arguments and you can't come up with anything to say in return other than [I]i'm[/I] the delusional one. there are reasons things happen and there are things you can do, she does have her own agency and isn't just an object for the public to laugh at you know.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;39943950]really though, i give you all these arguments and you can't come up with anything to say in return other than [I]i'm[/I] the delusional one. there are reasons things happen and there are things you can do, she does have her own agency and isn't just an object for the public to laugh at you know.[/QUOTE]
dude
[quote]makes such a basic video that it brings nothing to the table, and wonders why people attack her.[/quote]
you have to be pretty delusional to think people are attacking her solely because they find her arguments lacking
have you actually been following this at all? did you miss all the whinging here or in other communities like r/gaming where top posts included whining about her before she even made any videos or arguments?
you sound like a stupid conspiracy theorist by saying she "played the victim" to get all that money, when in reality the whole thing started when the gaming community went on a disgusting rampage and actual decent people willingly donated their own money in response
you're blaming anita for all the shit she's had to put up with and it's stupid and wrong
blame the gaming community for acting like babies and having the whole thing fly in their faces with all the increased publicity they brought on themselves
[QUOTE=Devodiere;39943387]that's not what's happening at all. there have been heaps of people criticising games and examining them with varying degrees of success. extra credits, errant signal, action pts are just a few off the top of my head and they do EVERYTHING better than anita.
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difference between Anita and extra credits, errant signal, and action pts
she's a woman
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39944049]dude
you have to be pretty delusional to think people are attacking her solely because they find her arguments lacking
have you actually been following this at all? did you miss all the whining in community's like r/gaming where top posts included whining about her before she even made any videos or arguments?
you sound dangerously like a conspiracy theorist by saying she "played the victim" to get all that money, when in reality the whole thing started when the gaming community went on a disgusting rampage and actual decent people willingly donated their own money in response
you're blaming anita for all the shit she's had to put up with and it's stupid and wrong[/QUOTE]
a conspiracy of one, how lovely. i've said why people attacked her before she made any videos, her track record of bad arguments and her horrible PR. i have been following it though, so why is it her fault?
she makes a video on her channel about this new series and a kickstarter right at the hype of it. all of her videos have comment approval enabled, but not this one, and all of the people making comments at her for being an idiot finally have an outlet. it's youtube so obviously the standard of comments is abysmally low, and like anything people attack her because there's always idiots in the bunch. she could've re-enabled comment approval like she should've done or just ignored them, it's only youtube comments. but instead she shows it off to everyone and brags about how much she's being cyberbullied and everyone is persecuting her for being a woman in video games.
you know what happens next. she gets publicity from the awful gaming press who have no idea what they're doing, everyone rushes to her aid like a damsel in distress to protect her from these nasty trolls, and her kickstarter garners absurd sums of money that she has no way at all to spend. she blocks anyone with actual criticism and makes herself out to be a victim in everything, even her fucking TED talk, and rather than doing what EVERYONE is advised to do with cyberbullying by ignoring it, she wears it as a badge of honour. this kind of scummy attitude and the undeserving publicity it garners her are the primary reason she gains opposition and despite the fact that not everyone is calling for her to be raped and just think she's a stupid bitch with no idea what she's talking about, all her detractors are generalised into these awful trolls who have no purpose but to send death and rape threats, just like i'm sending my daily rape threat to her now.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39944190]difference between Anita and extra credits, errant signal, and action pts
she's a woman[/QUOTE]
hahahahaha, oh wow.
extra credits went downhill long ago and it's a trio with one being female so i don't know how that sits, but if you've actually watched any video of the others then you'll see the massive discussion difference. action pts most recently did his notes on a semiotic analysis of the VGAs, anita misunderstands tropes for 20 minutes. if you actually watched them and can't see the difference between them then i'm seriously impressed.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;39944262]a conspiracy of one, how lovely. i've said why people attacked her before she made any videos, her track record of bad arguments and her horrible PR. i have been following it though, so why is it her fault?
she makes a video on her channel about this new series and a kickstarter right at the hype of it. all of her videos have comment approval enabled, but not this one, and all of the people making comments at her for being an idiot finally have an outlet. it's youtube so obviously the standard of comments is abysmally low, and like anything people attack her because there's always idiots in the bunch. she could've re-enabled comment approval like she should've done or just ignored them, it's only youtube comments. but instead she shows it off to everyone and brags about how much she's being cyberbullied and everyone is persecuting her for being a woman in video games.
you know what happens next. she gets publicity from the awful gaming press who have no idea what they're doing, everyone rushes to her aid like a damsel in distress to protect her from these nasty trolls, and her kickstarter garners absurd sums of money that she has no way at all to spend. she blocks anyone with actual criticism and makes herself out to be a victim in everything, even her fucking TED talk, and rather than doing what EVERYONE is advised to do with cyberbullying by ignoring it, she wears it as a badge of honour. this kind of scummy attitude and the undeserving publicity it garners her are the primary reason she gains opposition and despite the fact that not everyone is calling for her to be raped and just think she's a stupid bitch with no idea what she's talking about, all her detractors are generalised into these awful trolls who have no purpose but to send death and rape threats, just like i'm sending my daily rape threat to her now.[/QUOTE]
lol you're continuing to miss the point
firstly, it all started when the gaming community decided to go off in maximum beardrage mode and attack her constantly. it's not just a few youtube comments, it's a helluva lot more than that. remember the game that was made, where you got to beat her up?
if you're going to blame anyone for the whole shitfest, blame the angry gaming community that started it [I]in the first place[/I]
secondly, all anita did was show people how the gaming community responded. do you actually believe she wears it as a badge of honour? all she did was prove a point about how the gaming community has a real problem when it comes to women. you're continuing to be completely delusional by thinking the gaming community's misogynistic bullshit isn't relevant at all to her series, and she's just using it for "sympathy"
Some guys sure have a persecution complex.
This women isn't being conniving and deceitful using the 'cyber-bullying' to get more money. To jump to that conclusion kinda shows you hate women.
She just likes games and wanted to examine some problems in them.
[I]by showing us how disgusting and misogynistic the gaming community can be, she's just asking for attention! it doesn't at all help prove her points about women in video game culture, no-sirree~[/I]
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39944350]lol you're continuing to miss the point
firstly, it all started when the gaming community decided to go off in maximum beardrage mode and attack her constantly. it's not just a few youtube comments, it's a helluva lot more than that. remember the game that was made, where you got to beat her up?
if you're going to blame anyone for the whole shitfest, blame the angry gaming community that started it [I]in the first place[/I]
secondly, all anita did was show people how the gaming community responded. do you actually believe she wears it as a badge of honour? all she did was prove a point about how the gaming community has a real problem when it comes to women. you're continuing to be completely delusional by thinking the gaming community's misogynistic bullshit isn't related at all, and she's just using it for "sympathy"[/QUOTE]
call the cops, someone made a fucking flash game. this is a million times worse than words on a computer screen.
funny how you say i'm missing the point but address nothing in my post. the entire community didn't get up in arms immediately as you say, she's only a minor idiot after all and people attack anyone and everything odd. the real shitstorm comes when she starts stirring it as i said before. whether you believe she's a poor innocent child or not she did stir it up by feeding the trolls and continues to do so. the community might have issues especially at the fringes but she is not without blame.
and despite your constant assertions that people have a problem with women, they only really have a problem with her. she's not the only woman on the internet and not even the only one talking about this. this is a community that can pick jessica chobot as an idiot but likes dodger, they certainly aren't blind idiots who hate all women and it's simplistic crap to assume they are. people hate anita because she's an idiot, not because she's a woman, not a hard concept.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39944357]Some guys sure have a persecution complex.
This women isn't being conniving and deceitful using the 'cyber-bullying' to get more money. To jump to that conclusion kinda shows you hate women.
She just likes games and wanted to examine some problems in them.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MisterMooth;39944396][I]by showing us how disgusting and misogynistic the gaming community can be, she's just asking for attention! it doesn't at all help prove her points about women in video game culture, no-sirree~[/I][/QUOTE]
because explaining actual facts more complex than SHE WOMAN, THEY HATE WOMAN means i think women are out to get me. can't even use persecution complex right.
we come back to the inevitable though, because i'm against her and point out issues, i must hate women and be a misogynist. there's no possible reason beyond the numerous posts that you probably haven't even paid attention to that i would dislike anita other than her being a woman. you wonder why women have a bad reputation in video games when this is the kind of bullshit logic used and anita is used as an example rather than an idiot.
Anitas videos are 100% fact, too. Show me where it isn't.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39944527]Anitas videos are 100% fact, too. Show me where it isn't.[/QUOTE]
now you're just shitposting because you can't come up with anything in rebuttal. i mean it's a simple point, people hate her for reasons OTHER than because she's a woman.
is that so hard to wrap your mind around or is she just so perfect that you can't imagine any flaw in her and anyone against her must be one of those nasty misogynists?
Seriously, the videos are all fact, if you can't point out one falsehood in them I don't think you have any reason to be so extremely critical. Don't just dismiss me like that.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39939883]Nothing to do with the gender actually. The perpetrator is the rapist, if they both feel they were raped it's probably the fault of the one who initiated the rape.
No clue, I'm not a legal expert on this. Don't know what you mean by, "too", but it's possible for a drunk person to feel raped even though they initiated the contact. I don't want to say in this context because it's a made up story with no details. I'd say in most cases, if this goes to court, I would say the perpetrator shouldn't be charged if he's also drunk or whatever, even if the person feels raped. If the person's sober and the person who feels raped is slurring their speech, I feel they should call a cab for them and send them home.
Yeah, I already talked about this. Consent is a hard topic to discuss. It would be best if you outright asked, but that's a naive way to think about things and will not happen. You should be aware of a persons body language and stop immediately if they look uncomfortable or say no. The person should be enthusiastic.
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You are detached from reality. If someone gets drunk and voluntarily has sex with someone and then has regrets and feels "used" or "raped", it's their own goddamn fault. If I get drunk and kill someone, I'm still responsible. Take responsibility for your actions. Why is having sex the only thing that you are not responsible for when drunk?
And before you go for straws, I'm not talking about getting fucked when blacked out.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39939883]This isn't relevant to the discussion and I will not answer.[/QUOTE]
I just wanted to see if you actually have any experience at life or you're just talking out of your rear after reading some crazy feminist blogs about things that you have no understanding of.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39944915]You are detached from reality. If someone gets drunk and voluntarily has sex with someone and then has regrets and feels "used" or "raped", it's their own goddamn fault. If I get drunk and kill someone, I'm still responsible. Take responsibility for your actions. Why is having sex the only thing that you are not responsible for when drunk?
And before you go for straws, I'm not talking about getting fucked when blacked out.
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Actually, consent can only be given when people are in their right state of mind. In quite a lot of places you can't give consent when you're under "influence".
Quoting from [url=www.shouselaw.com/date-rape.html]SHouse Law group's website[/url]:
"If you have sex with an individual who voluntarily consumes enough alcohol and/or drugs to the point where he/she is unable to resist the sexual encounter, prosecutors could charge you with Penal Code 261 PC date rape."
consent is like innocent before proven guilty - it's infinitely safer to not do anything than it is to act and potentially ruin someone's life, and even if you're right you still showed an [I][B]extremely[/B][/I] reckless disregard for someone else's wellbeing
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;39945000]Actually, consent can only be given when people are in their right state of mind. In quite a lot of places you can't give consent when you're under "influence".
Quoting from [URL="http://www.shouselaw.com/date-rape.html"]SHouse Law group's website[/URL]:
"If you have sex with an individual who voluntarily consumes enough alcohol and/or drugs to the point where he/she is unable to resist the sexual encounter, prosecutors could charge you with Penal Code 261 PC date rape."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39944915]And before you go for straws, I'm not talking about getting fucked when blacked out.[/QUOTE]
Called your straw before you said it. And you went for it even then.
Lets do it again.
What if both parties are drunk? They raped each other? Or is only the guy guilty of rape?
How much alcohol can you have in your blood before you can't give consent?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39945127]Called your straw before you said it. And you went for it even then.
Lets do it again.
What if both parties are drunk? They raped each other? Or is only the guy guilty of rape?
How much alcohol can you have in your blood before you can't give consent?[/QUOTE]
If they're both drunk then they had drunk sex. Nobody raped anyone. But if one of them is drunk to the point where their inhibitions are practically non-existant, then they can't give consent because they are not in condition to do so. If you take advantage of someone in this state then it's rape.
It's really that simple. You're so entrenched in this persecution complex of yours that you can't seem to grasp it.
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Now don't tell me you can't refund Kickstarter money if you want. The Rift team are total pros here.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39945616]Now don't tell me you can't refund Kickstarter money if you want. The Rift team are total pros here.[/QUOTE]
Wow! You're right! This is not only 100% relevant but also completely invalidates everything she has said in her video!
Thank you for exposing this liar. Justice has finally been served.
This video is seriously 20 minutes of petty, nit-picking shit from some warped reality where discrimination doesn't exist and video games aren't the fastest developing medium of expression that influences the youngest generations of society and are only a quick way to make profit.
She asked for $6000, the chumps that paid over that made their decision and it's not her responsibility to give a cent back or produce at a quality beyond what she asked for.
Every time someone uses the "WAHT ABOUT MEN" thing it's on the same level as "I'm not racist but" or "I have a gay friend and"
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39945544]If they're both drunk then they had drunk sex. Nobody raped anyone. But if one of them is drunk to the point where their inhibitions are practically non-existant, then they can't give consent because they are not in condition to do so. If you take advantage of someone in this state then it's rape.
It's really that simple. You're so entrenched in this persecution complex of yours that you can't seem to grasp it.[/QUOTE]
Do you even read what you're replying to? Or you just keep spewing strawmen even though I explicitly said that I'm not talking about getting sexed when you're black out?
You basically rephrased what I said and now you're telling me that I don't understand something.
Edit: Seriously can you point out what you disagree with here? "If someone gets drunk and voluntarily has sex with someone and then has regrets and feels "used" or "raped", it's their own goddamn fault. If I get drunk and kill someone, I'm still responsible. Take responsibility for your actions. Why is having sex the only thing that you are not responsible for when drunk?[B] I'm not talking about getting fucked when blacked out [/B](meaning that it is rape if you're so drunk that people can take advantage of you and you're in no condition to defend yourself)."
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39945678]Wow! You're right! This is not only 100% relevant but also completely invalidates everything she has said in her video!
Thank you for exposing this liar. Justice has finally been served.[/QUOTE]
Explain to me why she won't allow people to get the excess money back then. My argument would be void had she originally asked for 150,000, she didn't. She asked for 6,000. She herself therefore shows that she only needed that much to make her documentary.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39946077]Do you even read what you're replying to? Or you just keep spewing strawmen even though I explicitly said that I'm not talking about getting sexed when you're black out?
You basically rephrased what I said and now you're telling me that I don't understand something.
Edit: Seriously can you point out what you disagree with here? "If someone gets drunk and voluntarily has sex with someone and then has regrets and feels "used" or "raped", it's their own goddamn fault. If I get drunk and kill someone, I'm still responsible. Take responsibility for your actions. Why is having sex the only thing that you are not responsible for when drunk?[B] I'm not talking about getting fucked when blacked out [/B](meaning that it is rape if you're so drunk that people can take advantage of you and you're in no condition to defend yourself)."
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I'm telling you that because from every in you've made, you don't seem to understand the fact that if you're sober and they're drunk, you're taking advantage of them because they are not able to give consent. [I]You[/I] are the one who is being a shitty person, not them. They shouldn't be blamed for something they didn't want to do. You shouldn't go to a party and have to worry about getting being taken advantage of for drinking too much.
If, on the other hand, someone actively tries to have sex with you while [U]they[/U] are drunk, then it's a whole different story but definitely not rape.
And before accusing me of strawman again, read the definition and look at your own posts. Killing someone while you're drunk is a far fucking cry from having sex while drunk and not even [I]remotely[/I] comparable. If you kill someone while under the influence it's your responsibility because [I]you[/i] did it, whereas in the case of date rape you are being coerced into doing it by someone else. Do you even understand the concept of culpability?
There was no strawmen in my post. You asked what happens if both parties are drunk. I answered your question. If my answer doesn't fit your sheltered, distorted view of reality then I'm really sorry for you.
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[QUOTE=entertainer89;39946245]Explain to me why she won't allow people to get the excess money back then. My argument would be void had she originally asked for 150,000, she didn't. She asked for 6,000. She herself therefore shows that she only needed that much to make her documentary.[/QUOTE]
Your argument isn't void because that. It's void because it's irrelevant, whatever she did with the money holds absolutely no weight on her arguments. You're trying to dismiss what she said in her video by picking on an unrelated fact and implying she stole your money. That's not only irrelevant, it's ad hominem.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39946384]I'm telling you that because from every in you've made, you don't seem to understand the fact that if you're sober and they're drunk, you're taking advantage of them because they are not able to give consent. [I]You[/I] are the one who is being a shitty person, not them. They shouldn't be blamed for something they didn't want to do. You shouldn't go to a party and have to worry about getting being taken advantage of for drinking too much.
And before accusing me of strawman again, read the definition and look at your own posts. Killing someone while you're drunk is a far fucking cry from having sex while drunk and not even [I]remotely[/I] comparable. If you kill someone while under the influence it's your responsibility because [I]you[/I] did it, whereas in the case of date rape you are being coerced into doing it by someone else. Do you even understand the concept of culpability?
There was no strawmen in my post. You asked what happens if both parties are drunk. I answered your question. If my answer doesn't fit your sheltered, distorted view of reality then I'm really sorry for you.[/QUOTE]
You keep talking about situation where someone is so drunk that they can't defend themselves from getting taken advantage of even though I have repetitively said "[B]I'm not talking about getting fucked when blacked out[/B] (meaning that it is rape if you're so drunk that people can take advantage of you and you're in no condition to defend yourself)." That's why your "argument" is a strawman. I explicitly said that if that's the case then it's rape. But you keep going on how wrong I am and then say the same exact thing that I've posted.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39946448]You keep talking about situation where someone is so drunk that they can't defend themselves from getting taken advantage of even though I have repetitively said "[B]I'm not talking about getting fucked when blacked out[/B] (meaning that it is rape if you're so drunk that people can take advantage of you and you're in no condition to defend yourself)." That's why your "argument" is a strawman. I excplicitly said that if that's the case then it's rape. But you keep going on how wrong I am and then say the same exact thing that I've posted.[/QUOTE]
Read my post again. I edited it.
If you don't want me to keep repeating myself then stop being vague and tell me what you mean by "not talking about getting fucked when blacked out". What [I]are[/I] you talking about, then? I legit don't see what you're trying to get at. Is it the person's responsibility? The blood alcohol level required required for it to be considered rape? Be specific.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;39944553]now you're just shitposting because you can't come up with anything in rebuttal. i mean it's a simple point, people hate her for reasons OTHER than because she's a woman.
is that so hard to wrap your mind around or is she just so perfect that you can't imagine any flaw in her and anyone against her must be one of those nasty misogynists?[/QUOTE]
Most of the people, like you and the guy in the OP's video, who are arguing against Anita's video are missing the point of the video and arguing against stuff that she doesn't claim.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39946448]You keep talking about situation where someone is so drunk that they can't defend themselves from getting taken advantage of even though I have repetitively said "[B]I'm not talking about getting fucked when blacked out[/B] (meaning that it is rape if you're so drunk that people can take advantage of you and you're in no condition to defend yourself)." That's why your "argument" is a strawman. I explicitly said that if that's the case then it's rape. But you keep going on how wrong I am and then say the same exact thing that I've posted.[/QUOTE]
just stop talking. if you can't figure out on your own when a woman is able to consent to sex then you are an absolute slime ball.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39946507]Read my post again. I edited it.
If you don't want me to keep repeating myself then stop being vague and tell me what you mean by "not talking about getting fucked when blacked out" what [I]are[/I] you talking about, then?[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between being on influence of alcohol and being so drunk that you don't know what's going on. I'm talking about the former, you're talking about the latter even though I have said it time after time that I'm not talking about it and that I agree that it is rape in that case.
All that was a reply to a guy who said pretty much this "if someone had alcohol then it's rape if you have sex with them". Which is obviously wrong. If you had alcohol and then you [B]WANTED [/B]to have sex with someone and you [B]WEREN'T MANIPULATED[/B] into it, then you're responsible and it wasn't rape.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;39946564]just stop talking. if you can't figure out on your own when a woman is able to consent to sex then you are an absolute slime ball.[/QUOTE]
How many times do I have to repeat myself before you'll get it that what I said wasn't directed at a situation when someone is blacked out and can be easily manipulated? Or you just can't get it at all?
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How many times do I have to repeat myself before you'll get it that what I said wasn't directed at a situation when someone is blacked out and can be easily manipulated? Or you just can't get it at all?[/QUOTE]
then wtf are you talking about? use your own fucking common sense to realize when a woman is able to consent to sex we don't need to hypothesize every fucking potential situation that can occur in this thread.
besides we have already gone over this, it's just you playing dumb because you want to make some stupid point about how it's ok to have sex when you are drunk sometimes which doesn't even need to really be discussed anymore.
so go ahead, keep beating the dead horse. it only makes you look like a weirdo.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39946573]There's a difference between being on influence of alcohol and being so drunk that you don't know what's going on. I'm talking about the former, you're talking about the latter even though I have said it time after time that I'm not talking about it and that I agree that it is rape in that case.
All that was a reply to a guy who said pretty much this "if someone had alcohol then it's rape if you have sex with them". Which is obviously wrong. If you had alcohol and then you [B]WANTED [/B]to have sex with someone and you [B]WASN'T MANIPULATED[/B] into it. Then you're responsible and it wasn't rape.
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How many times do I have to repeat myself before you'll get it that what I said wasn't directed at a situation when someone is blacked out and can be easily manipulated? Or you just can't get it at all?[/QUOTE]
It depends on how it happens. If you're under the influence your inhibitions are way lower so it's easy for you to say "yes" to a lot of things, so it's complicated.
For instance, if someone's drunk and wants to have sex with you, it's not rape because there's consent from both parties. If you want to have sex with someone who is drunk but still lucid enough to consent then it's not rape either. Everyone has full responsibility of their actions here.
It becomes rape when you deliberately pick the most fucked up person in the party and manipulate them into having sex with you in full knowledge that they aren't in their right state of mind.
If this is what you were trying to say, then I misunderstood you before and I agree, if not feel free to correct me.
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