[QUOTE=Glitchman;39923901]If you really think that men and women are the same biologically[/QUOTE]
yea I'm pretty sure men can't get preggers
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39923887]do you really believe this[/QUOTE]
It's like you really didn't read the rest of my post
[editline]15th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;39923890]~biotruths~
I actually knew a girl who insisted no straight men could be careful and thoughtful, only gay men and females could be.[/QUOTE]
And guess what, that's stupid. If you actually read my post you'd see that I strongly disagree with that.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39923887]do you really believe this[/QUOTE]
Shandez let me just stop you right here.
Men are more action oriented, while females are more emotional oriented. Hell, my female health teacher told me that.
Men don't talk about their day with their men friends.
Females don't start fights in bars and shoot up banks.
[QUOTE=minilandstan;39923940]Shandez let me just stop you right here.
Men are more action oriented, while females are more emotional oriented. Hell, my female health teacher told me that.
Men don't talk about their day with their men friends.
Females don't start fights in bars and shoot up banks.[/QUOTE]
This is a really exaggerated example but I guess it's sort of true.
I talk about my day to male friends all the time though
[QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;39923872]I think one thing that a lot of people don't realize is that fighting, conflict and action is primarily a masculine thing from a biological standpoint. That's the reason that most action games are aimed at males. Discussion, thought and relationships is primarily a feminine thing, and that's much harder to implement in a video game.[/QUOTE]
Well, no, not really. The problem is that, traditionally, video games were a thing that was marketed solely to guys. Between that and a lot of other social concepts that carried over, video games often reuse the same tropes, some of which have gender inequalities embedded into them.
[QUOTE=minilandstan;39923940]Shandez let me just stop you right here.
Men are more action oriented, while females are more emotional oriented. Hell, my female health teacher told me that.
Men don't talk about their day with their men friends.
[B]Females don't start fights in bars and shoot up banks.[/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Hearst[/url]
[QUOTE=Marbalo;39923937]is misandry now a myth or something?
while misogyny is a much larger issue that doesn't mean misandry is completely overshadowed and should be ignored. that is not how social problems work.[/QUOTE]
No one says it should be ignored. But it was stupid of him to bring it up because Sarkeesian's video isn't misandrist at all.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39923956]Well, no, not really. The problem is that, traditionally, video games were a thing that was marketed solely to guys. Between that and a lot of other social concepts that carried over, video games often reuse the same tropes, some of which have gender inequalities embedded into them.[/QUOTE]
The thing is there is a difference between GENDER DIFFERENCES and GENDER INEQUALITY.
In a real life scenario, a man would most likely be assisting a female in a physical feat. Not ALL the time, but the majority. Our social understanding of this does not come from the media, but a biological code of survival and protection.
Remember, a women can do one of nature's most daring feats: carrying and delivering a child.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;39923955]This is a really exaggerated example but I guess it's sort of true.
I talk about my day to male friends all the time though[/QUOTE]
I was going to say "bitch about their day", but that seemed a bit too overboard.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZRflz-93JA[/media]
[QUOTE=Glitchman;39923977]Our social understanding of this does not come from the media, but a [B]biological code of survival and protection.[/B][/QUOTE]
:v:
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;39923969][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Hearst[/url][/QUOTE]
Since when has one of anything represented the entirety of something?
[QUOTE=Glitchman;39923977]The thing is there is a difference between GENDER DIFFERENCES and GENDER INEQUALITY.
In a real life scenario, a man would most likely be assisting a female in a physical feat. Not ALL the time, but the majority. Our social understanding of this does not come from the media, but a biological code of survival and protection.[/QUOTE]
In a real life scenario it doesn't matter because anyone could construe a scenario that fits their beliefs. A good portion of gender "differences" are artificial.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39922727]
holy shit he literally used misandric im done with this lmao[/QUOTE]
No It's ok. Misandry doesn't exist right ?
[QUOTE=legolover122;39923992]Since when has one of anything represented the entirety of something?[/QUOTE]
yeah there's plenty of other examples of women engaging in physical violence, should I cite them all?
[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;39923997]No It's ok. Misandry doesn't exist right ?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39923970]No one says [misandry] should be ignored. But it was stupid of him to bring it up because Sarkeesian's video isn't misandrist at all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;39923997]No It's ok. Misandry doesn't exist right ?[/QUOTE]
please show me relevant examples of misandry
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39924047]please show me relevant examples of misandry[/QUOTE]
as a white, middle-class straight male I am confident in saying I have felt persecuted in the following situations:
A)
B)
C)
[QUOTE=Marbalo;39923937]is misandry now a myth or something?
while misogyny is a much larger issue that doesn't mean misandry is completely overshadowed and should be ignored. that is not how social problems work.[/QUOTE]
Most things that are considered "misandric" today are misogynistic ideas that can harm men.
Getting rid of those misogynistic ideas in society would remove the "misandric" things too.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;39923901]If you really think that men and women are the same biologically, [b]mentally, and even emotionally[/b], you really need to read up on a lot of things.[/QUOTE]
There is much debate about this. You need to read up on a lot of things. (My source was Wikipedia)
[QUOTE=Glitchman;39923863]
but I also believe that it is impossible to "educate" people on this stuff. You can point it out, like she did, but there's a certain biological basis for how we behave, and why women are viewed this way. And people are cashing in on it.[/QUOTE]
you know, i'm not exactly against this thinking in principle. i mean maybe there are legitimate differences in thinking between men and women.
the problem i have is people making assumptions that because humans have created patriarchy, that the aspects of patriarchy are necessarily natural to humans. it's circular reasoning. "why are men dominant in society? because they are naturally dominant. how do you know they are naturally dominant? because they are dominant in society". this isn't logical or useful to legitimate inquiry into differences between genders.
i also have a problem with the idea of gender roles being culturally enforced. even if you show scientifically that, on average, women are more mentally apt for say, child raising, it doesn't mean society should expect women to be the primary caregiver to children. the goal of feminism is choice. men and women shouldn't feel obligated to fulfill certain roles in society simply because of their gender, and they shouldn't be barred from entering certain roles(whether legally or culturally) because of gender.
to sum it up, maybe there are differences between genders. but these differences haven't been quantified or conclusively shown yet. perceived differences can be traced to culture instead of biology most of the time. and even if differences are shown, we should continue on as if they don't exist because everyone should be able to choose their own path in life.
[QUOTE=harryh11;39924115]There is much debate about this. You need to read up on a lot of things. (My source was Wikipedia)[/QUOTE]
Implying genders can be biologically different but mentally and emotionally same?
[QUOTE=maqzek;39924204]Implying genders can be biologically different but mentally and emotionally same?[/QUOTE]
Aye. Actually, just look at Yawmwen's post to see exactly my thoughts on the matter.
[QUOTE=maqzek;39924204]Implying genders can be biologically different but mentally and emotionally same?[/QUOTE]
no. the the problem is you shouldn't assume gender differences without actual evidence. most "evidence" for biological gender differences can be traceable to a cultural conception of gender roles. if you want to list specific examples of how women and men think differently, you should back it up with legitimate evidence.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39924228]no. the the problem is you shouldn't assume gender differences without actual evidence. most "evidence" for biological gender differences can be traceable to a cultural conception of gender roles. if you want to list specific examples of how women and men think differently, you should back it up with legitimate evidence.[/QUOTE]
Well it's very obvious that women can have babies and men can't. Obvious biological gender differences, but I was just pointing out that it has been argued that , as you have said, differences in psychology etc. between sexes can be attributed to cultural stereotypes of gender roles.
[QUOTE=harryh11;39924273]Well it's very obvious that women can have babies and men can't. Obvious biological gender differences, but I was just pointing out that it has been argued that , as you have said, differences in psychology etc. between sexes can be attributed to cultural stereotypes of gender roles.[/QUOTE]
that's more in the realm of sexual dimorphism, rather than gender differences. a man with the sex of a woman(transgendered) would be able to have children, but he identifies as a man. there are obvious biological traits between male and female sex, but those aren't necessarily biological differences between men and women.
Woops.
and by biological trait i mean difference in brain development that is traced to gender development of the brain and not cultural gender roles.
Guy made some really good points. I remember the first time I watched that Tropes VS Woman video, the whole "SAVING WOMEN OBJECTIFIES THEM" really struck a cord. She honestly believes that pursuing a loved one with the intent to rescue them from danger equates to objectifying them, and regarding them as a possession.
You cannot make this shit up. It's just laughable.
[QUOTE=DTkach;39924337]Guy made some really good points. I remember the first time I watched that Tropes VS Woman video, the whole "SAVING WOMEN OBJECTIFIES THEM" really struck a cord. She honestly believes that pursuing a loved one with the intent to rescue them from danger equates to objectifying them, and regarding them as a possession.
You cannot make this shit up. It's just laughable.[/QUOTE]
these games more often than not don't illustrate the loving and caring relationship that would motivate the protagonist to pursue the damsel in distress. it turns the damsel into a reward and an object rather than a real character that you feel any emotional motivation to save.
What always annoys me about when people criticize the industry is that they only used really old examples. They'll call a whole industry sexist because some 10+ year old games happened to be a bit crude. Old generations doesn't necessarily represent the current state of the industry.
They never mention the fact that modern games are becoming far, far better at representing women. A lot of games feature prominent female characters who do just as much as the men do. Tomb Raider was rebooted to turn a sex symbol into a realistic female protagonist. the new bioshock is going to featuring Elizabeth as a prominent main character. The uncharted series featured a lot of major female treasure hunter characters. The last of us is centered around a teenage girl in the apocalypse. Hell even the manly bro game series like gears of war and killzone have started featuring female soldiers.
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