[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39926668]No, those are actually real people you could meet in real life, sure they are acting, but they are real fucking people.
A video game character is fake and made of polygons or drawn all the time with maybe the exception of very few games.
Still dont see your point, you are trying to twist around real life TV/Movie stars not being real people and I really dont understand except you being semantic as fuck.
You arent even worth trying to argue with if you pull bullshit like this, its like a middle school debate.[/QUOTE]
are you implying you can meet fictional characters in real life? or are you saying that because a character is portrayed by a real person, it's more important? because both points apply to video games as well.
ugh, this thread again. every single time a video about this stupid shit is posted theres 10 pages posted by the same exact people arguing in each thread. nothing new is being brought to the table, just drop it already
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39926690]are you implying you can meet fictional characters in real life? or are you saying that because a character is portrayed by a real person, it's more important? because both points apply to video games as well.[/QUOTE]
You wont meet Mario, you can never hang out with Mario, or Link, or commander shepard, or samus.
You can dress up as Mario but you arent him, no one is.
But I could go hang out with someone like Steven Colbert because hes a real fucking person.
It really doesnt apply to video games or the terrible point you are trying to make.
You said people on TV are nothing but pixels.
Im done arguing with you, it goes no where and you keep talking in fucking circles trying to make terrible petty points that make no sense.
i like the part where he uses objective science research to discredit her bullshit
this is the sarcasm beginning line
but hes using his male cis privilege to shut her down anyway so nothing he says can be taken seriously, so throw critical thinking out the window.
this is the sarcasm ending line
[QUOTE=minilandstan;39926089]Why does she think everything is a male plot to demoralize females anyway?[/QUOTE]
Victim complex.
Everything is someone else's fault. She should go watch Rocky or something.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39926774]You wont meet Mario, you can never hang out with Mario, or Link, or commander shepard, or samus.
You can dress up as Mario but you arent him, no one is.
But I could go hang out with someone like Steven Colbert because hes a real fucking person.
It really doesnt apply to video games or the terrible point you are trying to make.
You said people on TV are nothing but pixels.
Im done arguing with you, it goes no where and you keep talking in fucking circles trying to make terrible petty points that make no sense.[/QUOTE]
go meet james bond or bruce banner and tell me how it goes k?
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;39926542]aye i agree. i wasn't calling out max payne as having a sexist storyline, more that max is just a fucked up person for feeling the need to get involved in 'damsel' situations[/QUOTE]
I wasn't calling you out or anything, I just thought it was great you brought up Max Payne 3 because it's plot really goes against the views brought up in the OP's video for both men and women.
the fact that women are sometimes positively shown in computer game media doesn't say a whole lot and it's comparable to saying that slaves got fed maybe an extra thing of hominy and bacon some days
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39927036]the fact that women are sometimes positively shown in computer game media doesn't say a whole lot and it's comparable to saying that slaves got fed maybe an extra thing of hominy and bacon some days[/QUOTE]
are you comparing misogyny with slavery
[QUOTE=TheJoey;39927161]are you comparing misogyny with slavery[/QUOTE]
lol
everytime he showed that punch to the nuts i laughed
Could someone please tell me how to take advantage from being a white male?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39926901]go meet james bond or bruce banner and tell me how it goes k?[/QUOTE]
No offence, but are you being really dense? You can't meet James Bond, but you can meet Daniel Craig. He's a real person, unlike Max Payne, Witcher, Commander Shepard, younameit.
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[QUOTE=lifehole;39925300]Believe me when I say gamers are a bunch of morons that scan for tits on the box cover. They use these tactics because it works, and it's almost always going to work, and there is almost no marketing penalty to doing it. Women being objectified for lazy storytelling is no worse than a man being the tough guy protagonist.
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Again, you can't blame bad storytelling for being an offensive trope, and bad storytelling is an opinion. Marketing and laziness in writing is what causes these problems, not hatred of women. If you want to fix this problem, tackle the quality of the writing and the marketing department of the developers/publishers/corporation, and stop complaining that there is a specific bias or hatred involved. (not saying YOU in specific are, but that's the issue.)[/QUOTE]
Why can't I blame bad storytelling for offensive trope? And how bad storytelling is an opinion? Bad script is bad. I'm not saying niche, unpopular or just different. I'm saying bad is low quality, cheap and lazy.
Also, you just said what I said about writting, and no, no one said anything hatred or bias. This is about specific trope and how it is overused. I have no idea where did you find hatred/bias.
[QUOTE=maqzek;39927473]No offence, but are you being really dense? You can't meet James Bond, but you can meet Daniel Craig. He's a real person, unlike Max Payne, Witcher, Commander Shepard, younameit.[/QUOTE]
you can't meet commander shepard but you can meet mark meer.
just because a video game isn't photo realistic doesn't mean that the characters are not representations of something in real life. you can form emotional bonds with video game characters just like you can form emotional attachment to tv or movie characters. there's a certain level of your brain that can't tell that what it is seeing on the screen is fake. that's part of what makes these mediums fun, because a part of your brain is being tricked into thinking something is real while your rational mind is aware of the fiction.
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i mean hooded sniper is simply saying "bah it doesn't matter what happens in video games because everyone knows that it is completely fake"
people also know that tv is completely fake, that doesn't mean we have to ignore the content of the show.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39924047]please show me relevant examples of misandry[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas[/URL]
Literally 1 minute on google.
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Now for 3 minutes search, [URL]http://just-smith.tumblr.com/[/URL]
[url]http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.ca/[/url]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39927536]you can't meet commander shepard but you can meet mark meer.
just because a video game isn't photo realistic doesn't mean that the characters are not representations of something in real life. you can form emotional bonds with video game characters just like you can form emotional attachment to tv or movie characters. there's a certain level of your brain that can't tell that what it is seeing on the screen is fake. that's part of what makes these mediums fun, because a part of your brain is being tricked into thinking something is real while your rational mind is aware of the fiction.
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i mean hooded sniper is simply saying "bah it doesn't matter what happens in video games because everyone knows that it is completely fake"
people also know that tv is completely fake, that doesn't mean we have to ignore the content of the show.[/QUOTE]
Actually you can ignore the show.
Its optional to watch, its on TV, it was approved to be on TV.
Hell you dont even need cable, or a TV.
Sort of how games get approved by the ESRB and put ratings on them so you know that when you go buy games you dont get yourself an M-Rated one because its M for mature.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;39923256]We are meant to be different, that's why there are 2 sexes. Some people aren't happy with that, they get sex change. [/QUOTE]
can we get back to how crazyyy this sentence this???
[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;39927762][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas[/URL]
Literally 1 minute on google.
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Now for 3 minutes search, [URL]http://just-smith.tumblr.com/[/URL]
[url]http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.ca/[/url][/QUOTE]
misandry doesn't hold a candle to sexism towards women, which is much more deeply embedded
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;39927963]Actually you can ignore the show.
Its optional to watch, its on TV, it was approved to be on TV.
Hell you dont even need cable, or a TV.
Sort of how games get approved by the ESRB and put ratings on them so you know that when you go buy games you dont get yourself an M-Rated one because its M for mature.[/QUOTE]
so if there is a tv show that shows blatantly racist shit, there is absolutely no problem because you don't have to watch it?
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39928143]misandry doesn't hold a candle to sexism towards women, which is much more deeply embedded[/QUOTE]
You asked for relevant examples of it, he gave you relevant examples.
Stop picking straws already, it's getting ridiculous.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39927536]you can't meet commander shepard but you can meet mark meer.
just because a video game isn't photo realistic doesn't mean that the characters are not representations of something in real life. you can form emotional bonds with video game characters just like you can form emotional attachment to tv or movie characters. there's a certain level of your brain that can't tell that what it is seeing on the screen is fake. that's part of what makes these mediums fun, because a part of your brain is being tricked into thinking something is real while your rational mind is aware of the fiction.
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i mean hooded sniper is simply saying "bah it doesn't matter what happens in video games because everyone knows that it is completely fake"
people also know that tv is completely fake, that doesn't mean we have to ignore the content of the show.[/QUOTE]
[del]Except Mark Meer only did the voice acting and doesn't resemble Shepard (the official/default) at all.
Yes, you said it right, 'representation of something'. I could draw a circle on a paper and call it a representation of Sun, but it wouldn't be even close to realistic. The point is that most TV shows are based on real-life or at least mimic real life. Even Sci-Fi shows have some sort of drama or something that resembles what people can see in real life. With video games, it's deep fiction. You won't see flying dragons or wizards throwing fireballs. Sure, we have games that are a bit more serious, like Max Payne series for example. MP3 does a pretty good job at being a bit grounded and looks similar to action packed TV show. There aren't many games that do this though and that's the point. TV shows and movies, even though they are mostly bad nowdays, are still better than most games in story department, in my opinion.[/del]
Meh, it is irrelevant I suppose. I just think TV shows/movies are different than games. Only really heavy CGI sci-fi movies/shows could be considered close to being 'pixels on a screen'. That is, even though TV is completely fake, it still resembles real-life somewhat, so there's that.
video games resemble real life somewhat. the whole point is that you can manipulate pixels on the screen to portray whatever idea or image you want. it's just that video games use real time processing and scripting to add more interactivity to the pixels, thus it doesn't look quite as "realistic". i'm not saying there aren't differences, only that sexism in games is important to look at because the characters on the screen [I]do[/I] portray things that are meant to give the effect that thing is real, whether the effect is large or small.
and i would say graphics aren't the main thing that creates that effect. many older games are still incredibly immersive. it's about writing and creativity.
I mean, games are made to be fun and they can be so by being interactive. TV on the other hand isn't made to be fun, they are sort-of entertaining. You can make tetris fun or any other abstract game fun, but you can't really do that on TV. They serve different purposes. Which kinda brings us to another point.
Some games are trying to be movies and failing badly at being so. Any decent TV show will have some character development and some story to follow. How many games that were trying to be movies had the same? Indeed. Games that know they are games make good games.
[QUOTE=Mr Shadyface;39926678]I'm fairly sure that isn't a thing.
Also from the video:
Lot of good points, I feel he could have gone over the characters who DON'T support her theory, like Chell (Portal {A game where the only notable males are a dead executive, a robotic retard and an unseen scientist}), Trishka (Bulletstorm {We have to save that woma-oh, she's busy beating a mutant to death with her bare hands}) or Faith (Mirrors edge {Gravity? The fuck is gravity?}).
Also I get the impressin he liked that nut punching scene, judging by how many times it was shown. Not that I'm complaining. That shit is [I]hilarious.[/I][/QUOTE]
She's going to do this later.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39928143]misandry doesn't hold a candle to sexism towards women, which is much more deeply embedded[/QUOTE]
Obviously, but it is still a thing, and to ignore it and say it's not real is silly.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39928313]video games resemble real life somewhat. the whole point is that you can manipulate pixels on the screen to portray whatever idea or image you want. it's just that video games use real time processing and scripting to add more interactivity to the pixels, thus it doesn't look quite as "realistic". i'm not saying there aren't differences, only that sexism in games is important to look at because the characters on the screen [I]do[/I] portray things that are meant to give the effect that thing is real, whether the effect is large or small.
and i would say graphics aren't the main thing that creates that effect. many older games are still incredibly immersive. it's about writing and creativity.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why you keep bringing 'realistic' into this. Obviously realistic games are better at trying to mimic real-life but only to a certain degree.
And yes, exactly. Some games resemble real life somewhat but they shouldn't. By doing so they are also grabbing all the tropes from TV with it. They should just get back to being games unless they are ready to take the next step, grow up and present us something mature and entertaining, like a good book or a good movie.
Christ, people.
The issue with apparent misogyny in video games is not because some illuminati-esque organization of tall men in suit sitting around a table decided to say "Let's make Mario save a princess again." It's because that's the story of Mario.
Games like Mario and Double Dragon are continuing series of arcade games where the entire story is a trope. The first games were arcades and had limited storage space. People didn't play arcade games for stories, they played them because they were fun. Throwing a story on it was neat, but you aren't paying quarters to watch a pixel-y movie. A seven-second tool for showing the motivation behind the story is normal. Now, these series continued into the modern age and kept the tropes because those tropes defined the stories. Mario's entire storyline is, and always has been, a damsel in distress trope. It's a staple of the series, much like Mario's color scheme and the existence of koopas. That's all it is, that's all that's necessary. Double Dragon is much the same.
Reading too much into things causes you to come up with issues that do not exist. That's the foundation of anxiety - reading too much into the future. It's not a healthy thing to do with your mind, and it's not a healthy thing to do with social commentary.
Anita Sarkeesian is a cash-out who creates poor-quality social commentary videos. She's nothing more. The only reason she's remotely famous is because of the oppression olympics of feminism. the Patriarchy doesn't exist, just like the Illuminati doesn't exist. There's nobody dictating what video games and movies should have sexism and which should be forward-thinking.
The thing that frustrates me about Sarkeesian is that she will not define a realistic expectation of a woman. If they're too strong (e.g. her thesis), they're just men being masqueraded as women. If they're too weak (e.g. Damsel in Distress), they're a poor representation of women. Of course they're a poor representation, it's a goddamn arcade game. Sarkeesian doesn't want women to be like men, but she doesn't want women to be like women either. If you want neither masculine or feminine women, or anything in between, of course you'll invent problems. Society dictates men to fit into a section of tropes, just like women. You've got the Homer Simpsons and the Gears of War folks. There's honestly not a whole lot of variation in men in games either. Like I said in some previous threads, video games are a brand new storytelling medium and art form that still needs to mature. Well-written movies don't tend to have sexism in them. Well-written games cannot compare to well-written movies - yet. Feminists have a tendency to read far too much into simple things like tropes, and social commentaries simply expand this delusion that men are actively trying to oppress women. Tropes are not an issue of sexism, they're an issue of lazy writing. The reason that apparently "negative" tropes seem to be rife in video games are because it's a male-dominated profession with a (previously) male-dominated market. If you REALLY want to change the use of tropes in video games, don't make bad social commentaries with the $140,000 you made from a kickstarter. Make video games that don't follow those tropes. Yelling about injustices will not solve them - action is necessary for change.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;39928362]Obviously, but it is still a thing, and to ignore it and say it's not real is silly.[/QUOTE]
But that's beyond the scope of the video and the topic.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;39928362]Obviously, but it is still a thing, and to ignore it and say it's not real is silly.[/QUOTE]
Why are you being so emotional about it? Why can't you be logical and just realize that it does good for both men and women. The patriarchy and how it hurts men is directly related for the most port in how it hurts women.
[quote]Patriarchy doesn't exist, just like the Illuminati doesn't exist[/quote]
strawman, false equivalence, prob a whole bunch of more fallacies
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[QUOTE=Shortyish;39926707]ugh, this thread again. every single time a video about this stupid shit is posted theres 10 pages posted by the same exact people arguing in each thread. nothing new is being brought to the table, just drop it already[/QUOTE]
whats it to you bud
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