Wolfenstein II Is The Video Game That's Pissing Off The Alt-Right (HBO) - General

[QUOTE=_Axel;52833587]While what the regime itself did was abhorrent, I don't think it's fair to put that responsibility on your average Werhmacht soldier's shoulders, especially since they weren't necessarily supportive of the regime and often didn't actually want to fight. Considering even the allies did their fair share of atrocities that didn't stop after WW2 (the French slaughtering Algerians for example) I think it's fair to say that any kind of military glorification in videogame, not solely that of the third Reich, is questionable when it comes to tastefulness. I would see no issue with a game that accurately depicts the life of a German soldier during WW2, though.[/QUOTE] it's less any of what you were saying and more that being the exact line everybody parrots when trying to be a nazi apologist

[QUOTE=NitronikALT;52833165]and then you have [sp]hitler[/sp] portrayed like a senile old man out of a children's cartoon I like how most of the nazis seem well grounded in reality even with their shortcomings (i.e. being a psychopath) but they botched that one up[/QUOTE] I don't actually think that scene's all that unrealistic. Seems like your average [sp]dying dictator with a personality cult[/sp] to me. And while the details are controversial, [sp]real-life Hitler seemed to be in very poor mental and physical health - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_health and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathography_of_Adolf_Hitler[/sp].

[QUOTE=Hammer7;52833467]This way games like Red Orchestra or Battlefield 1942 should be banned because they let you play on Nazi side.[/QUOTE] sorry but I missed the part where banning Nazi games was mentioned, what are you on about?

[QUOTE=Hiccuper;52833384]A lot of people seem to have this kneejerk reaction where it's like "I don't mind killing nazis but why the hell did they have to lump us in with commies and black panthers", well pal, if the nazis did take over America, take a hard guess at what kind of groups would want to resist that and fight back.[/QUOTE] yea, it wouldn't be communists. this isn't europe, our partisans are not the makings of a post-war communist movement like france, italy, yugoslavia, etc. it's a plastic depiction of a conquered world, which otherwise has a lot of opportunity for depth. the game is a cheap and thoughtless exercise in culture jamming which attempted to cash in on today's political turmoils and sense of empowerment. it's recycled 60s counterculture (and some blaxploitation) tropes placed in a world where the greatest generation lost. it's not interesting or makes you think, it's actually difficult to believe and get invested in (I found myself caring a lot about the risks posed to Anya in the first game), which is a problem for a singleplayer shooter has pretty vanilla gunplay. take for example the opening scene of the father. it starts off believable with his anger about the black girl, but rather than it being 'the business is failing and this is endangering our reputation', it's a 1919 hint (coincidentally the year of the freikorps) at the origins of fascism: 'i hate blacks, you're a jew, i'm going to kick and shoot this dog, choke my own kid and call him too weak for the world, then rant about evil forces taking away from the white man his due'. You don't get invested in something transparently consisting of a checklist and you can only imagine how little the developers cared. contrast this with RTCW which has a pretty decent representation of europe with a twist of sinister SS occult machinations you uncover. It's basically apolitical, lacking of any cultural tropes other than what we've seen in WW2 movies' depiction of germans since the 40s/50s. hope lies with what's otherwise just another american soldier and the player's FPS skills, whereas in the newer games it's a white male waking up to his own country's similarities to the nazis (e.g. how they took from our eugenics program and we have a racial caste system) through interaction with a diverse team of protagonists, a balding jewish genius, an ancient jewish society with powerful technology to offset german science, a mentally disabled man, an african resistance man given almost no background in the first game, and later a cheap Assata Shakur knockoff and a southern communist priest. The moral of the story is stretched [i]to be the story[/i], which is why it's shallow and un-engaging. Were it not for the prologue, you would think the Allies never consisted of some pretty conservative white males

I think that when you really think about it, a lot of WW2/Historical shooters are kind of [I]weird [/I]in how they like to glorify and make entertainment out of real-life tragedy, though I'm perfectly fine with ignoring it. I also think that Wolfenstein is basically a fucking cartoon and it's silly to argue that it's either somehow disrespectful or carrying some kind of powerful anti-nazi message. [QUOTE=portalcrazy;52833482]they fought for a country which was employing 'ideological bullshit about superior race' in its methods i dont know about you that still sounds bad + the same excuse i've seen every wehraboo use[/QUOTE] i mean consider what happened to germany as they were losing the war and what one's realistic alternatives are as a german with a family in WW2-era europe, i don't think it's anywhere near as clean cut as "shoulda deserted lol" i'm not saying there's much of anything to be proud of in fighting for WW2 era Germany, I'm not even arguing that [I]most [/I]wermacht weren't hardline master-racers because honestly I have no idea- but i don't approve of the notion that every single man that ended up fighting in the wermacht is automatically a terrible person

[QUOTE=CertainDOOM;52832818]For a group so disgusted by "safe space culture", they sure are a bunch of triggered crybabies.[/QUOTE] The anti-SJW/PC/safe space crowd have always been bigger whiners and infinitely more annoying than the people they complain about.

[QUOTE=Kecske;52833519]I really hope no one considers /v/ or 4chan in general an accurate representation of public opinion.[/QUOTE] Fox News and CNN finds a way. Never underestimate social media bias.

Id also like to play a game Where Soviet Russia has colonized America and the world. I would love to kill some commies too.

[QUOTE=portalcrazy;52833482]they fought for a country which was employing 'ideological bullshit about superior race' in its methods i dont know about you that still sounds bad + the same excuse i've seen every wehraboo use[/QUOTE] The Nazi ideology is like objectively terrible but that doesn't really mean that every single person in the Wehrmacht was objectively terrible by extension. But there's also nothing wrong with media glorifying murdering Nazis.

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MkRuV0aCcI[/media]

I'm going to have to side with Kecske and say that most of this "controversy" is just manufactured outrage being generated to sell units and get clicks. I doubt there are that many people genuinely outraged over anything about The New Colossus itself. If anything, the people who are outraged are outraged at the incredibly transparent attempt at making this whole thing into an Alt-Right/Trump thing when the game was never meant to be one to begin with.

[QUOTE=Conscript;52833648]yea, it wouldn't be communists. this isn't europe, our partisans are not the makings of a post-war communist movement like france, italy, yugoslavia, etc. it's a plastic depiction of a conquered world, which otherwise has a lot of opportunity for depth. the game is a cheap and thoughtless exercise in culture jamming which attempted to cash in on today's political turmoils and sense of empowerment. it's recycled 60s counterculture (and some blaxploitation) tropes placed in a world where the greatest generation lost. it's not interesting or makes you think, it's actually difficult to believe and get invested in (I found myself caring a lot about the risks posed to Anya in the first game), which is a problem for a singleplayer shooter has pretty vanilla gunplay. take for example the opening scene of the father. it starts off believable with his anger about the black girl, but rather than it being 'the business is failing and this is endangering our reputation', it's a 1919 hint (coincidentally the year of the freikorps) at the origins of fascism: 'i hate blacks, you're a jew, i'm going to kick and shoot this dog, choke my own kid and call him too weak for the world, then rant about evil forces taking away from the white man his due'. You don't get invested in something transparently consisting of a checklist and you can only imagine how little the developers cared. contrast this with RTCW which has a pretty decent representation of europe with a twist of sinister SS occult machinations you uncover. It's basically apolitical, lacking of any cultural tropes other than what we've seen in WW2 movies' depiction of germans since the 40s/50s. hope lies with what's otherwise just another american soldier and the player's FPS skills, whereas in the newer games it's a white male waking up to his own country's similarities to the nazis (e.g. how they took from our eugenics program and we have a racial caste system) through interaction with a diverse team of protagonists, a balding jewish genius, an ancient jewish society with powerful technology to offset german science, a mentally disabled man, an african resistance man given almost no background in the first game, and later a cheap Assata Shakur knockoff and a southern communist priest. The moral of the story is stretched [i]to be the story[/i], which is why it's shallow and un-engaging. Were it not for the prologue, you would think the Allies never consisted of some pretty conservative white males[/QUOTE] Thanks for going on yet another diatribe and speaking for so many people with such authority even if you don't have said authority. You always use so many words but say so little

[QUOTE=Skanic;52833694]Id also like to play a game Where Soviet Russia has colonized America and the world. I would love to kill some commies too.[/QUOTE] Freedom Fighters was a good game.

I fucking love what Pete said. "Well, yeah. But the hornet's nest is full of Nazis. Fuck those guys."

[QUOTE=portalcrazy;52833482]they fought for a country which was employing 'ideological bullshit about superior race' in its methods i dont know about you that still sounds bad + the same excuse i've seen every wehraboo use[/QUOTE] By your word every russian is diehard commie, right? [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52833642]sorry but I missed the part where banning Nazi games was mentioned, what are you on about?[/QUOTE] I also have a feeling of missing someones point but apparently like WWII german stuff like uniforms or weapons makes you a Nazi sympathizer.

[QUOTE=Hammer7;52833821]I also have a feeling of missing someones point but apparently like WWII german stuff like uniforms or weapons makes you a Nazi sympathizer.[/QUOTE] No that doesn't make you a Nazi sympathizer. It's that + "they need to stop putting black ladies with afros in games, it makes me want to shoot the allies" that makes you a Nazi sympathizer

[QUOTE=Hammer7;52833821]I also have a feeling of missing someones point but apparently like WWII german stuff like uniforms or weapons makes you a Nazi sympathizer.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Hammer7;52788236]That "diversity quota" character at the beginning made me want even more a Wolf-like game about being a german commando going turbo Wehrmacht on Allied Forces based on WWII caricatures.[/QUOTE] somehow i dont think thats why people are claiming you're a nazi sympathizer

[QUOTE=Skanic;52833694]Id also like to play a game Where Soviet Russia has colonized America and the world. I would love to kill some commies too.[/QUOTE] so [video=youtube;PbLV0zK7y28]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbLV0zK7y28[/video]

[QUOTE=Skanic;52833694]Id also like to play a game Where Soviet Russia has colonized America and the world. I would love to kill some commies too.[/QUOTE] "I need balance in the representation of extreme ideologies in my video games" Also thinking about it, isn't this basically Homefront?

[QUOTE=Hammer7;52833821] I also have a feeling of missing someones point but apparently like WWII german stuff like uniforms or weapons makes you a Nazi sympathizer.[/QUOTE] I dunno, going full "REE DARKIES WHY CANT I CLEANSE THEM" might have something to do with it

its just a bit of ethnic cleansing friends

[QUOTE=Mud;52833908]its just a bit of ethnic cleansing friends[/QUOTE] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=50880230#post50880230"]Gas the kikes does not objectively mean kill the jews...[/URL]

I think it's kind of obnoxious that the interviewer seemed to be fishing for links to the current political climate. Sure, it's linked. But only because the current group of retard Neo Nazis and white supremacists aren't much different from the all the other morons and bigots that came before them elsewhere. Fictional American Nazi sympathisers share similarities with real life American Nazi sympathisers- woa no way?! The only things I can think of that I could believe were directly inspired by the modern losers of the alt-right was one conversation between two heavily armed soldiers about poor victimised nazis being attacked for their political opinions- and the icon for take-downs being a nazi's face being punched despite the protag using a hatchet in close quarters.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52833859]so [video=youtube;PbLV0zK7y28]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbLV0zK7y28[/video][/QUOTE] This but not a joke is basically what Hearts of Iron is.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52833744]Thanks for going on yet another diatribe and speaking for so many people with such authority even if you don't have said authority. You always use so many words but say so little[/QUOTE] Thanks for derailing and making it personal What are you even trying to say? As far as I can tell it's nothing as usual, just some dressed up snark. You're just making shit up now. I feel the same about you, saying little. You'd simply PM 'I don't like you' or 'this hurts my attention span' if you weren't fishing for ratings with one liners in every thread you follow me into. Why don't you just put me on your ignore list?

[QUOTE=RichyZ;52833846]wehraboos are almost as annoying as nazis tbh[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;16gWRxv_aZY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16gWRxv_aZY[/video] Their tears are delicious though

[QUOTE=Skanic;52833694]Id also like to play a game Where Soviet Russia has colonized America and the world. I would love to kill some commies too.[/QUOTE] Red Alert 2?

[QUOTE=cynaraos;52833000]I finished the game yesterday and I think there was like one line that could have been a discreet reference to current politics, but nothing else came off as a direct reference to me[/QUOTE] [sp]there's a news clipping you can find that basically says the US' election system is geared to exploit populism and, one day, a complete idiot is going to do just that and get elected as president[/sp]

What the hell happened that now its wrong to kill nazis?

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;52834276]What the hell happened that now its wrong to kill nazis?[/QUOTE] We got swallowed into some kind of Post-2012 Meme Singularity timeline.