There Are Only 2 Genders | Change My Mind - Louder With Crowder - General

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52962277]I have no problem with non-binary "gender", if you don't feel like either that's fine. But when there's 50+ types of non-binarys then I start to have an issue.[/QUOTE] Are there anyone who says there are 50+ genders though? The only people I've seen talk about it are people (over)reacting to it

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52962277]I have no problem with non-binary "gender", if you don't feel like either that's fine. But when there's 50+ types of non-binarys then I start to have an issue.[/QUOTE] I can respect that. The problem is when people extrapolate something you virtually [b]only[/b] see on an experimental tween-teenager's Tumblr into a serious social phenomenon. A few people idiotically flagellating shouldn't be, but sadly is, used as an argument for some people. Essentially, worrying about it is worrying about something incredibly insignificant.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;52962306]Are there anyone who says there are 50+ genders though? The only people I've seen talk about it are people (over)reacting to it[/QUOTE] There's like 16 on wikipedia page on gender identity if you google "LGBTQ terms and definitions" you will find all kinds of weird shit like [quote]Demigender- When you feel as if you are one part a defined gender and one or more parts an undefined gender. Terms can include demigirl, demiboy, demiagender, ect. Greygender- Somebody with a weak gender identification of themselves Aporagender- Somebody with a strong gender identification of themselves that is non-binary Novigender- A gender that is super complex and impossible to describe in a single term[/quote] And I have seen people identify themselves as such. Or it's all a joke and I'm getting trolled? [editline]10th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Vitisus;52962338]I can respect that. The problem is when people extrapolate something you virtually [B]only[/B] see on an experimental tween-teenager's Tumblr into a serious social phenomenon. A few people idiotically flagellating shouldn't be, but sadly is, used as an argument for some people. Essentially, worrying about it is worrying about something incredibly insignificant.[/QUOTE] I'm not really worried or think it's a problem that should be fixed. I'd just call it dumb and not respect someone's made-up gender. Like, I'm going to use the pronouns you want me to but you're not getting me to accept you are "novigender" or whatever. I'd treat it on par with otherkin.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52962344]There's like 16 on wikipedia page on gender identity if you google "LGBTQ terms and definitions" you will find all kinds of weird shit like And I have seen people identify themselves as such. Or it's all a joke and I'm getting trolled?[/QUOTE] On the Wikipedia page there's 4 non-binary ones that are listed, all part of cultures that predates us. And when I search for the terms you've listed I get sources that you wouldn't really be able to cite anywhere at all (because it's impossible to know if it's random /pol/laks and other offended people that's been writing articles to go "SEE!!" about). Anecdotal evidence doesn't really count

[QUOTE=gokiyono;52962404]On the Wikipedia page there's 4 non-binary ones that are listed, all part of cultures that predates us. And when I search for the terms you've listed I get sources that you wouldn't really be able to cite anywhere at all (because it's impossible to know if it's random /pol/laks and other offended people that's been writing articles to go "SEE!!" about). Anecdotal evidence doesn't really count[/QUOTE] Wait what? You want me to give you non-anecdotal evidence that there are people who use made-up genders or else it doesn't happen? Like, what do you want me to give you? New York Times' article on a massive societal movement to legalize 50+ genders? Nobody's making that claim. All you're going to find is an insignificant number of anecdotes. And my statement, that I'm not going to respect made-up genders doesn't need anything more than that. I'm not making a claim that it's some kind of serious social issue that needs attention. You jumped the gun on getting all militant.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52962277]I have no problem with non-binary "gender", if you don't feel like either that's fine. But when there's 50+ types of non-binarys then I start to have an issue.[/QUOTE] I don't really care if it doesn't affect my life. Like I'm a cisgendered dude who has a genderfluid roommate and it never really comes up in our day to day lives.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52962448]Wait what? You want me to give you non-anecdotal evidence that there are people who use made-up genders or else it doesn't happen? Like, what do you want me to give you? New York Times' article on a massive societal movement to legalize 50+ genders? Nobody's making that claim. All you're going to find is an insignificant number of anecdotes. And my statement, that I'm not going to respect made-up genders doesn't need anything more than that. I'm not making a claim that it's some kind of serious social issue that needs attention. You jumped the gun on getting all militant.[/QUOTE] My original statement was that I've never really seen anyone, barring a tonne of offended peopel, use those made-up genders. Is it really worth getting offended over when all you're going to find of it is an insignificant number of anecdotes? Like for something you've got such a problem with, you sure seem to be unable to show that it really is a problem

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52962452]I don't really care if it doesn't affect my life. Like I'm a cisgendered dude who has a genderfluid roommate and it never really comes up in our day to day lives.[/QUOTE] I don't really care either. It's not like I'm gonna get offended or try to press someone on it. The only thing I'm saying that if someone's going to say they are novigender or whatever, I'll think it's made up and treat it that way. Nothing beyond that. I don't know what people getting worked up over.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52950323]It astounds me how many conservative dumbasses out there don't understand the difference between fucking sex and gender [editline]5th December 2017[/editline] This isn't that complicated[/QUOTE] They're the same thing. Just because people have suddenly decided to redefine gender as meaning whatever you decide you are in your head doesn't make it real.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;52962477]My original statement was that I've never really seen anyone, barring a tonne of offended peopel, use those made-up genders. Is it really worth getting offended over when all you're going to find of it is an insignificant number of anecdotes? Like for something you've got such a problem with, you sure seem to be unable to show that it really is a problem[/QUOTE] Dude chill the fuck out and start reading the posts you are quoting. [QUOTE=Silly Sil;52962448][B]I'm [U]NOT[/U] making a claim that it's some kind of serious social issue that needs attention.[/B][/QUOTE] Nobody's getting offended. Nobody's making a claim it's a serious problem or whatever. [editline]10th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Dutch32;52962502]They're the same thing. Just because people have suddenly decided to redefine gender as meaning whatever you decide you are in your head doesn't make it real.[/QUOTE] Words aren't real man. They only have the meaning we give them. We define sex as your anatomical characteristics and gender as your individual "feeling" of being a man/woman/between. That are the definitions. Now, you can make your own definitions of words and in that case in [I]my[/I] dictionary Dutch32 is a dork by default.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52962509]Dude chill the fuck out and start reading the posts you are quoting. Nobody's getting offended. Nobody's making a claim it's a serious problem or whatever.[/QUOTE] Never intended to say that you got offended. That was more in relation to my first post where I said that the only people I ever saw talking about those genders were people who were offended over them. Sorry about that :v: Also, we both ought to chill out I suppose

So this thread has basically become "Entitled neo nazi shitposts, contradicts self, promotes hate speech. Oblivious why the entire forum hates him."

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52962509]Words aren't real man. They only have the meaning we give them. We define sex as your anatomical characteristics and gender as your individual "feeling" of being a man/woman/between. That are the definitions. Now, you can make your own definitions of words and in that case in my dictionary Dutch32 is a dork by default.[/QUOTE] A good example of that would be to read Sherlock Holmes in English. People ejaculate left and right in those books :v:

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52962495]I don't really care either. It's not like I'm gonna get offended or try to press someone on it. The only thing I'm saying that if someone's going to say they are novigender or whatever, I'll think it's made up and treat it that way. Nothing beyond that. I don't know what people getting worked up over.[/QUOTE] When it comes down to it, a lot of things that people treat deathly seriously in society is dumb made up bullshit, I don't know why we should treat gender any less seriously than uh freedom or the easter bunny. [editline]9th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Dutch32;52962502]They're the same thing. Just because people have suddenly decided to redefine gender as meaning whatever you decide you are in your head doesn't make it real.[/QUOTE] Gender is definitely used interchangeably with sex and certainly has been used that way in the past. It should change though. And the english language changes all the fucking time, it's nothing to get upset about.

Another thing I think should be noted is that terms like "genderfluid", "genderflux" and "agender" are just ways for people to communicate their own subjective experience of their own gender. "How many genders are there?" is the wrong question to ask because it really doesn't have an answer.