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[QUOTE=Olio;52951691]If you're going to start a gender debate atleast post Ben Shapiro instead of Crowder. [video=youtube;QtuqmThPE5c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtuqmThPE5c[/video][/QUOTE] Let's not, honestly. Shapiro is an absolute cunt.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52951651]I live in America, same as you, I can only assume. Yes, you absolutely will be arrested for that. It's a hate crime and a public disturbance. [/QUOTE] No you wouldn't. :v: At best you would get public disturbance, but that is for different reasons for being arrested than what the content of your speech was.

[QUOTE=Olio;52951691]If you're going to start a gender debate atleast post Ben Shapiro instead of Crowder. [video=youtube;QtuqmThPE5c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtuqmThPE5c[/video][/QUOTE] yeah his argument is literally just "no gender is the same thing as sex get destroyed kid" not to mention the title is something out of a Sargon video "transgenders destroyed!!" or some shit

[QUOTE=Tudd;52951703]No you wouldn't. :v: At best you would get public disturbance, but that is for different reasons for being arrested than what the content of your speech was.[/QUOTE] if a state has a law against hate speech it would be enforced edit: so many disingenuous controversies. are you saying there SHOULDN'T be laws, or that such laws are unconstitutional?

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;52951704]yeah his argument is literally just "no gender is the same thing as sex get destroyed kid" not to mention the title is something out of a Sargon video "transgenders destroyed!!" or some shit[/QUOTE] That is not at all what he said, did you just watch the first 10 seconds and post this?

[QUOTE=Olio;52951691]If you're going to start a gender debate atleast post Ben Shapiro instead of Crowder. [video=youtube;QtuqmThPE5c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtuqmThPE5c[/video][/QUOTE] If you signed up just to post that please read what has been said in this thread (or like, the million other threads about whether trans people deserve respect or not) instead or show yourself the door.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52951703]No you wouldn't. :v: At best you would get public disturbance, but that is for different reasons for being arrested than what the content of your speech was.[/QUOTE] Dude, you act like you're an all american know it all but for real how well do you know your own country, and now just your own little corner of it if you go on a corner in downtown LA screaming Nigger at the top of your lungs, what do you think is going to happen?

[QUOTE=Tudd;52951703]No you wouldn't. :v: At best you would get public disturbance, but that is for different reasons for being arrested than what the content of your speech was.[/QUOTE] Yes, you absolutely would. Have you never gone outside? The police don't take kindly to this sort of thing. You will be arrested if you harass people on the street.

[QUOTE=Olio;52951691]If you're going to start a gender debate atleast post Ben Shapiro instead of Crowder. [video=youtube;QtuqmThPE5c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtuqmThPE5c[/video][/QUOTE] [video=youtube;qYp_6DcUzbU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYp_6DcUzbU[/video]

[QUOTE=Tudd;52951690]Also just want to point out that amongst [b]millennials[/b]: [url]https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/05/fusion-millennial-poll-gender_n_6624200.html[/url] You have a lot of people you are throwing under the bus as being "extremely transphobic" since they hold the same opinion, and that is just from the millennial generation. I am sure you don't go around looking 46% of the young people as extremely transphobic, so why the hyperbole?[/QUOTE] someone not knowing what being non-binary means doesn't immediately mean that they're extremely transphobic. perhaps they could just be uninformed, having no conscious hatred against trans and non-binary people. it's when somebody continually petulantly argues about transgenderism and such for several months with opinions that can, while stretching it, be perceived as transphobic that they just maybe might be extremely transphobic.

[QUOTE=Axisofldiocy;52951730][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYp_6DcUzbU[/url][/QUOTE] You can use [VIDEO] tags to embed videos.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52951727]Yes, you absolutely would. Have you never gone outside? The police don't take kindly to this sort of thing. You will be arrested if you harass people on the street.[/QUOTE] Again that would be more of a public disturbance thing. Why do you think the Westboro Baptist Church is allowed to do their street corner hate gatherings and not get arrested?

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52951739]You can use [CODE][/CODE] tags to embed videos.[/QUOTE] ye i forgot because most other forums wrap them with embed code when i paste lmao

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52951721]Dude, you act like you're an all american know it all but for real how well do you know your own country, and now just your own little corner of it if you go on a corner in downtown LA screaming Nigger at the top of your lungs, what do you think is going to happen?[/QUOTE] Not going to get charged a hate crime I know that. Screaming at the top of my lungs constantly will probably do you for public disturbance though.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52951740]Again that would be more of a public disturbance thing. Why do you think the Westboro Baptist Church is allowed to do their street corner hate gatherings and not get arrested?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/07/27/jindal-threatens-to-arrest-westboro-baptist-members-who-protest-funerals-of-movie-theater-shooting-victims/"]Heres a republican governor saying he'll arrest them[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tudd;52951749]Not going to get charged a hate crime I know that.[/QUOTE] -Screaming NIGGER -In an evironment with a high black population -Won't get arrested :huh:

[QUOTE=Flameon;52951709]if a state has a law against hate speech it would be enforced edit: so many disingenuous controversies. are you saying there SHOULDN'T be laws, or that such laws are unconstitutional?[/QUOTE] The Supreme court unianimously agrees with that actually. [quote]From today’s opinion by Justice Samuel Alito (for four justices) in Matal v. Tam, the “Slants” case: [The idea that the government may restrict] speech expressing ideas that offend … strikes at the heart of the First Amendment. Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate.” Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote separately, also for four justices, but on this point the opinions agreed: A law found to discriminate based on viewpoint is an “egregious form of content discrimination,” which is “presumptively unconstitutional.” … A law that can be directed against speech found offensive to some portion of the public can be turned against minority and dissenting views to the detriment of all. The First Amendment does not entrust that power to the government’s benevolence. Instead, our reliance must be on the substantial safeguards of free and open discussion in a democratic society.[/quote] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/[/url] If there is a state law that prevents a person saying what they want on a public street corner, it probably is unconstitutional.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52951684]I agreed with you until a nonbinary person entered my life. It's not an enormous leap of logic, honestly.[/QUOTE] Can you elaborate please?

You know what, there is some part that I have to agree with here. No, I don't think the government is the right source to come in and tell you what you can and cannot say on public property from your own voice, nor what you can say on the internet, write in a book, etc. That is a fairly obvious denial of freedom of speech to individuals and goes against the first amendment in every way possible, and is a direct violation on what this country was founded upon. Protections in the workplace and from discrimination by police, government agencies, hospitals and etc. are laid out in the Civil Rights act and are clearly to be interpreted as protections across the board. Transgender individuals should be treated as a protected class and be free from discrimination in the workplace/government/areas of healthcare, etc. It'd be asinine and downright detrimental to try and deny that makes sense. And to those around me that call people like me names, say horrible things about Muslims, Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, the Disabled, I say that you should continue to say what you say, and are free to hold the beliefs you hold. Do you want to know why I say that? Because you and those around you will build your own walls, and cut yourselves out of society. Society doesn't do that to you, you do it to yourselves. Those who hold discriminatory views isolate themselves, surround themselves with only those who agree with them, and plug their ears and scream whenever anyone shares ideas that differ with their train of thought. One who holds bigoted views is, in many cases, welcomed to share a discourse with those that don't hold those views because that's what society is built upon, dialogue. Instead, those like Crowder, Shapiro and Jones would rather shut all doors around them and declare themselves the victor of fictitious debates that hold no real meaning because they never really participated in them, or if they did, they bowled over their "competition". Those who hold bigoted views do exactly that, compete. It's a struggle every day for them, as they try desperately to justify their ideals and push it upon others to agree with them, and if people won't, they berate them and resort to name calling, harassment and slander. It's obvious when those that are backwards have been exposed to new views, because they run away from it like a child does a wasp. They bury their heads in the sand and share articles that only parrot their views, and only listen to people they agree with. It consumes them. Rarely have I seen those that many would call "Social Justice Warriors" or "Libtards" be so wrapped up in politics. But when I look at people who post threads like these, all I see are individuals who cannot escape their political trenches. Everything is a fight, everything is a competition, everything has to have a winner. I don't see these people enjoying life, but instead stressing themselves over every detail that could possibly show a shred of truth for the arguments of those that disagree with them. It's incredibly sad and I wish those people would get out of that rut and try to live life. It's obvious that the stress is a vicious cycle: Be entrenched in your views, fight to make sure your views are justified, feel humiliated/defeated when people shout you down, and you further dig yourself deeper. It's truly sad more than anything, and it doesn't make me angry anymore, it just makes me feel sorry. Truly the modern political discourse has gotten to be so toxic, that simple things such as who uses a restroom or who gets married to who becomes the ideological equivalent of the Somme in 1916. It's sad, really.

[QUOTE=Axisofldiocy;52951730][video=youtube;qYp_6DcUzbU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYp_6DcUzbU[/video][/QUOTE] I just skimmed trough this and I don't seem to see anything in regards to his arguments regarding the transgender movement.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52951758]-Screaming NIGGER -In an evironment with a high black population -Won't get arrested :huh:[/QUOTE] Tudd's argument has devolved into semantics over whether or not you'll be charged with public disturbance or a hate crime. He isn't interested in having a real discussion.

[QUOTE=Olio;52951765]I just skimmed trough this and I don't seem to see anything in regards to his arguments regarding Transgenders.[/QUOTE] Transgender isn't a noun, it's an adjective. We aren't just objects to argue against in the abstract, we are people.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52951749]Not going to get charged a hate crime I know that. Screaming at the top of my lungs constantly will probably do you for public disturbance though.[/QUOTE] so already we have restrictions on speech that you're okay with so you don't really give two tosses about any of this. You can't have freedom of speech, and a disturbing the peace law. It's my freedom of speech to express myself at that volume

[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;52951772]Transgender isn't a noun, it's an adjective. We aren't just objects to argue against in the abstract, we are people.[/QUOTE] My mistake, English isn't my first language.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52951759]The Supreme court unianimously agrees with that actually. [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/[/url] If there is a state law that prevents a person saying what they want on a public street corner, it probably is unconstitutional.[/QUOTE] If the constitution prevents hate speech laws from being created, then the constitution fucking sucks. Not that I think it does. Judging from your past of completely misunderstanding everything legal while pretending to be an expert, I'm going to assume you're misrepresenting this too.

[QUOTE=Flameon;52951753][URL="http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/07/27/jindal-threatens-to-arrest-westboro-baptist-members-who-protest-funerals-of-movie-theater-shooting-victims/"]Heres a republican governor saying he'll arrest them[/URL][/QUOTE] Well while I agree with the sentiment of the governor, had they showed up they would probably have been fine. Because what they are doing is still [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snyder_v._Phelps]legal.[/url] Even though it is one of the most extreme examples of being hateful. [editline]6th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=AtomicSans;52951784]If the constitution prevents hate speech laws from being created, then the constitution fucking sucks. Not that I think it does. Judging from your past of completely misunderstanding everything legal, I'm going to assume you're misrepresenting this too.[/QUOTE] You seem to completely have no basis on what is legal or illegal since you actually thought someone on a public street corner in the US could be tried on hate crimes.

I don't pretend to be an expert. That's your job.

[QUOTE=cbb;52951766]Tudd's argument has devolved into semantics over whether or not you'll be charged with public disturbance or a hate crime. He isn't interested in having a real discussion.[/QUOTE] Just the reality of the law here. There isn't a hate crime you would be arrested for if you tried to do that on a public street corner. And it doesn't protect you from other's actions of course.

Better example. Please walk into your work, walk to the nearest black colleague and call them nigger to their face. Freedom of speech right, how can you lose your job for doing that? Oh and by the way, in this scenario you're a government contractor

[QUOTE=Tudd;52951794]Just the reality of the law here. There isn't a hate crime you would be arrested for if you tried to do that on a public street corner. Doesn't protect you from other's actions of course as well.[/QUOTE] What the people in this thread are interested in are the moral arguments, not the legal ones. It isn't relevant to anyone in this thread except you if there's a precedent for the legality of hate speech. What astounds me is that you started out in this thread decrying the bills you cited for limiting your speech and yet you're now arguing that your speech isn't limited at all in the United States. Really makes you think.