[QUOTE=hexpunK;45002575]tbh, half the time it's ranger and the usual shitlords who just don't listen no matter how many academic references you throw at them, no matter how well you word your shit, etc. Half the trouble makers in these threads are purposefully obtuse and skirt around the actual debate all the time, why waste time even trying with them?[/QUOTE]
[url=http://facepunch.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=127641]Ignoring[/url] [url=http://facepunch.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=554187]them[/url] has made my Facepunch browsing experience 50% more enjoyable.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;45002575]tbh, half the time it's ranger and the usual shitlords who just don't listen no matter how many academic references you throw at them, no matter how well you word your shit, etc. Half the trouble makers in these threads are purposefully obtuse and skirt around the actual debate all the time, why waste time even trying with them?[/QUOTE]
does it make you feel better knowing you bested someone on facepunch.com with your keen intellect and acadamic references
[QUOTE=Wingz;45002628]does it make you feel better knowing you bested someone on facepunch.com with your keen intellect and acadamic references[/QUOTE]
Yeah, helps me sleep at night I suppose.
What is your endgame here? What purpose do you serve outside of being banned on a regularly basis?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;45002648]Yeah, helps me sleep at night I suppose.
What is your endgame here? What purpose do you serve outside of being banned on a regularly basis?[/QUOTE]
thinking you have an endgame on a forum is hilarious
thinking you have any real purpose on a forum is hilarious
i come here for entertainment
[QUOTE=Wingz;45002659]thinking you have an endgame on a forum is hilarious
thinking you have any real purpose on a forum is hilarious
i come here for entertainment[/QUOTE]
why reply
no seriously
[QUOTE=Wingz;45002659]thinking you have an endgame on a forum is hilarious
thinking you have any real purpose on a forum is hilarious
i come here for entertainment[/QUOTE]
So you shit up threads like these for entertainment? Self-admission of trolling I see.
Come on. Step it up, you've not rated every post of mine in the last few days yet. That's not normal behaviour.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;45002676]So you shit up threads like these for entertainment? Self-admission of trolling I see.
Come on. Step it up, you've not rated every post of mine in the last few days that. That's not normal behaviour.[/QUOTE]
i didnt come in here to troll
i came in here to reply like anyone else can
i wish i had your level of posting ability bro
[QUOTE=Flameon;45000579]When I hear the term "rape culture" it refers to a cultural setting which makes rape likely - it doesn't literally mean every dude is a rapist, but it might mean they are complicit in it.
Rape culture is not saying anything when a dude is walking home with someone too drunk to function, assuming consent is "no means no" instead of "yes means yes", thinking that just because a girl accuses her boyfriend of rape that suddenly that means "they are lying." And its all that fucking shit that swarms around it, like how [B]when we hear about a rape case with a young dude our first thought is to instantly lament that he had "such a bright future ahead of him" and that it was wasted because "some slut" spoke up about the shit he did to her.[/B]
[editline]4th June 2014[/editline]
Lets not forget that statistics on rape are difficult to determine because the vast majority of sexual assaults go unreported....[/QUOTE]
Okay, a lot of your post I agree with, functional guys going home with girls who are shitfaced is awful, and while a lot of people realise that, not everybody does, fair enough, and there is a lot of disbelief in certain circles when a guy gets accused of rape. But I have never in my life heard anyone honestly say that a young man's bright career is ruined over a valid rape charge.
Everyone always brings up Steubenville, but the only reason that story got as much spotlight as it did was that it was fucking disgusting that the town cared more about its football team than the girl who was raped repeatedly. Then time and time again it's used in the context "rape culture is everywhere in America, look at Steubenville!"
[QUOTE=Hiccuper;45002787]Okay, a lot of your post I agree with, functional guys going home with girls who are shitfaced is awful, and while a lot of people realise that, not everybody does, fair enough, and there is a lot of disbelief in certain circles when a guy gets accused of rape. [B]But I have never in my life heard anyone honestly say that a young man's bright career is ruined over a valid rape charge.[/B]
Everyone always brings up Steubenville, but the only reason that story got as much spotlight as it did was that it was fucking disgusting[B] that the town cared more about its football team than the girl who was raped repeatedly.[/B] Then time and time again it's used in the context "rape culture is everywhere in America, look at Steubenville!"[/QUOTE]
You literally mentioned a case where that exact thing happened, then said you've never seen it happen.
[QUOTE=Wingz;45002712]i didnt come in here to troll
i came in here to reply like anyone else can
i wish i had your level of posting ability bro[/QUOTE]
if you're posting just to raise the ire of people who are speaking to you, aren't you trolling?
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45002832]You literally mentioned a case where that exact thing happened, then said you've never seen it happen.[/QUOTE]
I meant in reality, in your post you said "when we hear about a rape case with a young dude our first thought is to instantly lament that he had "such a bright future ahead of him" and that it was wasted because "some slut" spoke up about the shit he did to her." as if it happens regularily, I've only ever heard of Steubenville, which, as I said, only got media spotlight because it was disgusting, I personally have never heard someone say it in real life.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;45001928]Strawmanning occurs in virtually every argument on FP but it's taken to ridiculous levels of absurdity and, more frustrating, acceptance when it comes to threads about feminism.
No other topic I've seen on these boards can be utterly derailed by just pointing at the extremely small, incredibly irrelevant fringe elements of any group.
Imagine it in gun debate threads, arguably the most common and heated arguments you find on FP. "Yeah there was this crazy dude with guns that called Obama a nigger and ranted about FEMA camps so your entire ideology about private firearms ownership, personal rights, self-defense, and the second amendment are null and void". That post would be a box castle in 3 minutes. Yet when it comes to feminists (and, lets be real here, egalitarians in general) it's a perfectly acceptable logical leap to perform.[/QUOTE]
Same as with this rape culture shit, just because it happens doesn't mean it's accepted. Of course given these arguments often dissolve into name-calling and public reputations, you can see how it might be more common. milkandcooki's post is completely unrelated to the topic and is just shitflinging and calling people uninformed because his strawman made a strawman in other threads.
This is an absurd topic though because there isn't a core issue with something tangible like more or less gun control, it's a bunch of loosely connected issues with the most tangible solutions being treating issues with more severity than you already do. So much is pointlessly antagonistic when it should be such a simple argument, we're discussing violent crime and how to deal with it after all.
[QUOTE=Hiccuper;45002787]Okay, a lot of your post I agree with, functional guys going home with girls who are shitfaced is awful, and while a lot of people realise that, not everybody does, fair enough, and there is a lot of disbelief in certain circles when a guy gets accused of rape. But I have never in my life heard anyone honestly say that a young man's bright career is ruined over a valid rape charge.
Everyone always brings up Steubenville, but the only reason that story got as much spotlight as it did was that it was fucking disgusting that the town cared more about its football team than the girl who was raped repeatedly. Then time and time again it's used in the context "rape culture is everywhere in America, look at Steubenville!"[/QUOTE]
The thing is, that happens everywhere. How many murderer's mothers say they were good boys and would never do that, that it's a shame their life is ruined, and we don't claim we have a murder culture.
When it's as emotionally charged as any of this is, people don't act rationally. If they empathise with perpetrator then coming up with a scapegoat or lamenting what was lost are common reactions, because tossing aside all empathy for someone just for that isn't easy to do. It doesn't say that they secretly like rape or murder, it says that they aren't being rational and anyone not connected can easily see it clearer.
[QUOTE=Hiccuper;45002787]I have never in my life heard anyone honestly say that a young man's bright career is ruined over a valid rape charge.
Everyone always brings up Steubenville[/QUOTE]
(With due respect to Starlight 456 for posting first) Never heard of someone say that a young man's bright future was ruined by a rape charge? Funny that you mention Steubenville...
[video=youtube;MvUdyNko8LQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvUdyNko8LQ[/video]
I really don't like the term "rape culture". To me it sounds like you're dignifying the act by acknowledging it as being a cultural thing. I know that's not what it means, but it's what it sounds like. I start to imagine rapists having their own museeums and going to coffee shops and discussing their latest victims.
It's a stupid term. Call it whatever, just don't call it "rape culture". Ergh.
I hope this isn't the wrong place to post about this, but I think it's relevant enough.
I'm only beef with this whole rape culture thing is that it seems like the 'good side' always tries to make rape victims feel worse about themselves. Someone asked a while ago, "How much is you feeling bad because you got raped, and how much is you feeling bad because society tells you you should feel bad?"
Our university confessions page on facebook recently posted a confession about some guy who was an RA in the dorms. He said he caught some attractive girl with alcohol and weed in her room, and went to write her up for it. Before he could though, she started making all sort of suggestive motions which implied she was willing to sleep with him to not get in trouble. He didn't do it, and ended the post saying that whoever that girl was, he had to write her up, but was more than willing to drink, sleep, and smoke weed with her later.
He goes on to post this as a confession, and the comments are filled with like a dozen people telling him that he was raped. The comments varied, but that was the main gist of it. And that's kind of my problem with it. This guy was going about his life perfectly fine, simply mentioning that he maintained his integrity during his job and refused sex in exchange for ignoring his duties. He was perfectly content with how his life was going. And then, all of a sudden you get all these people telling him that he was raped, implying that they feel sorry for him and a bunch of other things. I mean, why? If that person is going about their life just fine, why would you post a comment like that which is only going to make them feel bad about themselves?
Maybe it's just me though. I'm open to the possibility that my opinion is wrong.
[editline]4th June 2014[/editline]
It just feels strange. It used to be that if a girl offered to sleep with you in exchange for (x), regardless if you went through with it or not, it would generally be one of the better events of that day. Now it's considered rape.
[QUOTE=Wingz;45002659]thinking you have an endgame on a forum is hilarious
thinking you have any real purpose on a forum is hilarious
i come here for entertainment[/QUOTE]
m'lady
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;45003933]It just feels strange. It used to be that if a girl offered to sleep with you in exchange for (x), regardless if you went through with it or not, it would generally be one of the better events of that day. Now it's considered rape.[/QUOTE]
well the problem is that that's taking advantage of someone's situation and is overall a pretty scummy and coercive thing to do. i mean if they otherwise wouldn't have had sex with you if not for your position of power then yeah that's pretty much extortion at best
[QUOTE=Cone;45004751]well the problem is that that's taking advantage of someone's situation and is overall a pretty scummy and coercive thing to do. i mean if they otherwise wouldn't have had sex with you if not for your position of power then yeah that's pretty much extortion at best[/QUOTE]
That's a valid concern. But if that's the case, it should be treated as extortion, not rape. To me it feels like a lot of things these days get lumped under an umbrella 'rape' term, many of which don't deserve to be there.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;45003312](With due respect to Starlight 456 for posting first) Never heard of someone say that a young man's bright future was ruined by a rape charge? Funny that you mention Steubenville...
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Disgusting how she hasn't apologized yet. This however doesn't highlight rape culture. It highlights the problem surrounding the worship of athletic sports.
It seems like the culture in alot of parts of the US gives athletes a free ride and pass in everything ranging from academics to the justice system. Almost as if they're being brought up believing that they're above the law and systems. Not surprising that these rapists were so open about what they did and not surprising that so many professional athletes are abusive spouses and criminals.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;45003933]He was perfectly content with how his life was going. And then, all of a sudden you get all these people telling him that he was raped[/QUOTE]
Its strange. It seems like almost everybody is basically devaluing the word rape. Rad fems are calling sexist comments rape and more radical conservatives are painting obvious cases of rape as "not real rape".
Not really sure about that specific scenario but it looks like at most you could say it was almost rape.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;45004870]That's a valid concern. But if that's the case, it should be treated as extortion, not rape. To me it feels like a lot of things these days get lumped under an umbrella 'rape' term, many of which don't deserve to be there.[/QUOTE]
well the thing is that statutory rape is basically the inability to give consent, so if you really dearly needed something and the only way to get it was to have sex with someone, then that falls under the same umbrella. like, if someone was going to go to jail and they needed to stay out of there (like someone in jail wanted to murder them or they had kids to look after or something), and a cop had sex with them in exchange for turning a blind eye, they basically can't be said to have had a choice. you can apply the same thing to medication or anything else that's equally vital. so it's statutory rape and the person who enabled it is charged.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;45004870]That's a valid concern. But if that's the case, it should be treated as extortion, not rape. To me it feels like a lot of things these days get lumped under an umbrella 'rape' term, many of which don't deserve to be there.[/QUOTE]
basically any time two people have sex and one of them is completely unwilling or being forced to do it by being restrained or threatened, it's rape. that doesn't mean something like... losing your boner while having sex with your girlfriend is rape, though, because both of you consented at the same time and could stop whenever you wanted. however, if one of two people who both consented to sex wants to stop, and the other forces them to keep going (ruling out the possibility of a mutual understanding of some kind of kink, which is a completely different story), that's rape.
also like what cone said, if somebody threatens you with some creepy sex ultimatum, that's an example of rape as well. also extortion, but you really can't dismiss the sex part of a situation like that.
also we really need to get rid of this conception that most rape happens in an alleyway by some creepy guy with a gun or something; most rapists rape people they personally know.
I know this is an old story but it still makes my blood boil. They get 1 year handed down while this victim gets a life sentence. Rape isn't something that goes away when intercourse or penetration stops. It is the ultimate act of violence; robbing a victim of their dignity, stripping them of their pride, and causing harrowing post traumatic stress. Their bright futures? What about HER bright future? Or is it because she was drunk and a girl she's therefore most probably some dumb slut who has no hope in life. That first asshole Trent didn't sound one bit remorseful for his actions. He sounded more sorry that he had been caught. He didn't even apologise for his participation in the rape but for the 'photos' (aka evidence against him) that surfaced. Sickening. Malik cried but I doubt it was out of guilt, probably over feeling sorry for himself. Psychopaths are the ultimate narcissists. And his father saying 'I love you' just goes to show the shitty upbringing this Malik had. Never hears those words until he's on trial for rape. What kind of message does that send? Meanwhile CNN adopts a sympathetic stance to the rapists plight! Like as if 1 year in a juvenile detention centre is too harsh. Oh they might get put on the sex offenders registry. Well so they fucking well should! They ARE sex offenders. Anyone would think these boys had been falsely accused. My God. I'm just in awe. And I love how that Candy bitch slips in 'essentially' when she says "What's the lasting effect though on two young men being found guilty in juvenile court of rape...essentially". What do you mean ESSENTIALLY? It was rape! R.A.P.E rape. Why beat around the bush? These 'young men' aka pigs RAPED this poor innocent victim. I could go on but I should stop myself. I'm glad at least other people could see what was wrong with this appalling coverage and were vocal about their disgust. How this even went to air in the first place....it's just UNbelievable.
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