Leave it to you assclowns to turn this into a religious debate, on this forum and off.
Stand tall FP, be proud for what you are.
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Ok I thought his name Lukeo was a play on words for Leukemia and that made it so much funnier.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;40645143]Ok I thought his name Lukeo was a play on words for Leukemia and that made it so much funnier.[/QUOTE]
Wow man you're heartless
get a grip
Not gonna watch this. I don't wanna ruin my day already
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;40643501]I'm the one who made the lengthy original comment. I actually didn't expect a whole flamewar to come out of it, but I guess I should have known.
I don't care if someone's religious, but when you try to justify the existence of something that is supposedly so good and so powerful while at the same this same "being" is what takes the lives of others, it just makes me angry.
If the mother now goes home and prays to her daughter, [I]I'm happy for her[/I]. If she feels the world unfair for taking her daughter, [I]I feel for her.[/I]
But when someone comes in and tries to say "faith alone lead us out of the dark bringing strength" and "her soul's safe & free in heaven in our saviors loving arms" when that same "savior" is the one who (according to belief) would have been the one killing her daughter in the first place? That's not only ignorant, it's in my opinion downright insulting.
Fair enough if you believe in God, but portraying it as some neverending good does not fit in here, when someone is taken by a terrible disease like cancer. Because there is no good in that.[/QUOTE]
Why do you care? Honestly, her praying to God and doing whatever, and believing in a loving being somewhere taking care of her daughter, why are you so determined to try and point out flaws? It's not hurting you, or her. In fact, it helps her cope with the loss of her child, who died at such a young age. She justifies it by saying that it's okay, there's a plan, it'll be okay, and she is happier and safer. She's not doing it for the sake of being delusional or so she can stick it to some atheist, she's doing it to find comfort in one of the most cruel situations a parent can find themselves in.
But no, someone has to come along and burst the bubble. Someone has to come in on a shining white stallion suited with a shield of impenetrable logic to try and tell her to her face all this negative shit for no reason other than to shove a view down someone's throat.
I usually think of people like this as being many steps below a typical religious person, because sure, religious people can push their faith, or evangelize, but generally they do it for a positive outcome, spreading joy or optimism for people who may fear what comes after death, or to find meaning in life.
Meanwhile, the same calibre of person who does not subscribe to such an ideology comes in to remind us all that we will die and rot in the ground, and her dead daughter is dead forever and her 'god' killed her and all this useless talking.
Let her have her beliefs, if someone is believing in something on their own, and they aren't using that belief to ruin lives, or crush spirits, leave it alone. And I say this especially for situations like this, where a mother is trying to come to terms with why the light of her life was suddenly taken from her after a long, painful struggle with cancer. Quit being that person. There is no good in that.
I may as well add a disclaimer that I'm not even remotely referring to the religious nutters. I don't care about them or even consider them genuine. I'm talking about mothers like this, who want to find some meaning in life, and cope with situations that are just plain unfair.
she's a grieving mother who lost her child, let her have her fantasies and delusions and tooth fairies.
this is one of the only situations where lying to herself is justifiable.
In a time of a dying child, I would hope that god was real, just to know that my child would be going to heaven and not embracing an eternal nothingness. I don't practice religion but there are times where I wish I was born into a religion just to hope for something after death.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40646449]she's a grieving mother who lost her child, let her have her fantasies and delusions and tooth fairies.
this is one of the only situations where lying to herself is justifiable.[/QUOTE]
The almighty man who knows all has spoken.
my god, you people
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;40643501]I'm the one who made the lengthy original comment. I actually didn't expect a whole flamewar to come out of it, but I guess I should have known.
I don't care if someone's religious, but when you try to justify the existence of something that is supposedly so good and so powerful while at the same this same "being" is what takes the lives of others, it just makes me angry.
If the mother now goes home and prays to her daughter, [I]I'm happy for her[/I]. If she feels the world unfair for taking her daughter, [I]I feel for her.[/I]
But when someone comes in and tries to say "faith alone lead us out of the dark bringing strength" and "her soul's safe & free in heaven in our saviors loving arms" when that same "savior" is the one who (according to belief) would have been the one killing her daughter in the first place? That's not only ignorant, it's in my opinion downright insulting.
Fair enough if you believe in God, but portraying it as some neverending good does not fit in here, when someone is taken by a terrible disease like cancer. Because there is no good in that.
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i get what you mean but just let it be. the thought that she's in a better place and all that is comforting so why shouldn't one be able to think that
[QUOTE=HkSniper;40642370]Don't bother reading the comments on the video. It turned into a shit fest with some assholes pretty quick.
Judging by the avatars and content of the uploaded videos of these users - it looks like sadly these comments are coming from people from this forum.
Sad that you guys have to turn and step on other people's views and target this video for your anti-religion ranting. Let the people be at peace.[/QUOTE]
I read the comments.
I literally hate everyone now.
Why the fuck is everyone turning this into a religious debate?
What does this have to do with religion at all?
It's a mother singing to her dying daughter, I don't see what religion has to do with this at all, and if it did, why should it matter?
Let people believe in what they want to believe in, who are you to belittle them for their beliefs?
A video of a dying girl's last moments of her life that were being spent with her mother singing to her doesn't mean that there should be some religious debate over it.
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;40643501]I'm the one who made the lengthy original comment. I actually didn't expect a whole flamewar to come out of it, but I guess I should have known.
I don't care if someone's religious, but when you try to justify the existence of something that is supposedly so good and so powerful while at the same this same "being" is what takes the lives of others, it just makes me angry.
If the mother now goes home and prays to her daughter, [I]I'm happy for her[/I]. If she feels the world unfair for taking her daughter, [I]I feel for her.[/I]
But when someone comes in and tries to say "faith alone lead us out of the dark bringing strength" and "her soul's safe & free in heaven in our saviors loving arms" when that same "savior" is the one who (according to belief) would have been the one killing her daughter in the first place? That's not only ignorant, it's in my opinion downright insulting.
Fair enough if you believe in God, but portraying it as some neverending good does not fit in here, when someone is taken by a terrible disease like cancer. Because there is no good in that.
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Concern trolling" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight][/QUOTE]Who crapped in your cereal? Is their faith hurting you? No? Then kindly sod off.
[QUOTE=Daemon;40642958]If we are talking about avoiding unnecessary emotional trauma for themselves, it isn't really a deciding factor after the possibility of it happening has been initiated by having kids. It is more likely overlooked because of social acceptance that it would seem unjust to be in such a position. Realistically, it is a fallacy of big proportions when it could be a dire result of that kind of commitment which you risk losing it all. If you wanted to die before your sibling and such, the pain and anguish will be past on to your recently turned orphans, having to live their lives with similar grief so parents intentions seem quite distorted at this point on what intentions their trying to interpret as a 'better circumstance'. In my opinion, we will all die and when and how doesn't make them any more premature or significant from each other. When i was young, it wasn't uncommon for me to sit up in my bedroom late at night, staring at the walls, realizing where the fuck am i and death being a daunting prospect that you having no control over or had no choice but to participate with this factor. Quite distressing.
I won't have kids for a lot of reasons and this video is another. I don't want to deal with that kind of bullshit too but at least i choose to avoid it altogether.[/QUOTE]
I think that in a way it's emotionally cold but I think that I can understand what you are saying. Still the questions that are raised from this are about planning to avoid emotional pain and how you look at passing.
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