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[QUOTE=EcksDee;51752225]The meme that's partially responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans every year if his political opinions go through in the form of Trump. Surely just a lovable little hitlerite.[/QUOTE] hey guys DAE think hitler? xD

[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;51754153]I'm just saying I believe most of this people on this forum hate Tudd just because of who he voted for, and that's literally about all that people bring up every time he posts. Which I think is shallow. Though, he doesn't actually seem malicious. He actually seems quite reasonable compared to the people who attack him.[/QUOTE] Tudd doesn't deserve the hate he gets but with the way you word things I can't help but think you're defending him because you agree with him lol. Though don't universally say that you should never hate someone for their opinions. This isn't some private religion-type shit people keep to themselves, every once in awhile most of us go to the polls to make our opinions known and to put things into motion. Of course, you shouldn't hate people just for having different beliefs, but if they support bigotry and refuse to have an honest conversation they do deserve hatred.

[QUOTE=Judas;51751791]making memes about yourself is weak man[/QUOTE] If you checked into the FP Politics Discord you'd know it wasn't by him.

[QUOTE=InfectedPotato;51753062]Facepunch is pretty good at 180-ing[/QUOTE] it's possible for there to exist a hot person who's also batshit

[QUOTE=windows098;51754470]Wow it's like we're actually not a hivemind or something [/QUOTE] The fact that someone always says this further proves that this is a hivemind

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51756093]The fact that someone always says this further proves that this is a hivemind[/QUOTE] one of us, one of us, gooble goble gooble goble.

What's with that Tudd hate? I honestly thought Tudd was like some guy who would shoot me for being Brazilian based on people's comments but he's pretty much chill based on his posts and would even debate with you personally if you wanted. It just feels like melodrama at this point where people analogize Tudd with neo-nazis or racism when he doesn't look or act like one at all. I just feel like this is a classic case of people judging others based on their political views, as much as you want to say "but his political opinion is his basic moral conviction" as an excuse to judge him harshly it would be childish to judge him harshly as he's not this anti-moral extremist person. This demonetization has been showing so much lately with anyone who happens to be right, it feels like an exaggeration that all of the trump supporters and right-wing supporters are assholes with agendas or racist when it's like 46% of the whole American nation.

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51756370]What's with that Tudd hate? I honestly thought Tudd was like some guy who would shoot me for being Brazilian based on people's comments but he's pretty much chill based on his posts and would even debate with you personally if you wanted. It just feels like melodrama at this point where people analogize Tudd with neo-nazis or racism when he doesn't look or act like one at all. I just feel like this is a classic case of people judging others based on their political views, as much as you want to say "but his political opinion is his basic moral conviction" as an excuse to judge him harshly it would be childish to judge him harshly as he's not this anti-moral extremist person. This demonetization has been showing so much lately with anyone who happens to be right, it feels like an exaggeration that all of the trump supporters and right-wing supporters are assholes with agendas or racist when it's like 46% of the whole American nation.[/QUOTE] "Pretty chill?" What's that worth, really? You could be one of the worst human beings imaginable, and still be a "chill." If anything, that makes it worse. Nobody really expects better from a racist hick or obsessive nutter, but a person able to think and communicate in a clear level-headed that perpetuates the cult of personality that enabled some of the most corrupt and incompetent politicians in recent history is, at the very best, well-intentioned but willfully ignorant

[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;51754153][B]I'm just saying I believe most of this people on this forum hate Tudd just because of who he voted for, and that's literally about all that people bring up every time he posts. [/B]Which I think is shallow. Though, he doesn't actually seem malicious. He actually seems quite reasonable compared to the people who attack him.[/QUOTE] I'm sure some people hate Tudd purely because of who he voted for but he catches shit mostly because he evangelized Donald Trump for months prior to the election and now not only refuses to acknowledge some of the things he does as at least questionable but outright dodges arguments to post cherrypicked videos and generalized attacks on the left/leftists. He just doesn't give off the impression that he is interested in a genuine conversation about shit and people don't like feeling like they are being jerked around.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;51756553]"Pretty chill?" What's that worth, really? You could be one of the worst human beings imaginable, and still be a "chill." If anything, that makes it worse. Nobody really expects better from a racist hick or obsessive nutter, but a person able to think and communicate in a clear level-headed that perpetuates the cult of personality that enabled some of the most corrupt and incompetent politicians in recent history is, at the very best, well-intentioned but willfully ignorant[/QUOTE] When I said "chill" I meant in a way he doesn't promote hate, not because he's laidback. An obvious nazi or white supremacist wouldn't think twice about telling you how much he hates black people and wants an ethnic cleansing. You can can call them ignorant as much as you want, that I don't mind. What I mind however is that it would be foolish to think of them as Nazis, assholes or racists like most people in this forum do for some reason. Also you know, that's going too far with the corrupt and incompetent part (yet), trump is only 1 month in office yet and you're putting him in a position of corruption bigger than the likes of Richard Nixon. Not to mention the only choice others had was someone part of the Clinton family. Which you know, is in the same muddy situation with corruption and incompetence. So either side is enabling corrupt and incompetent politicians on part which also means they're well-intentioned but willfully ignorant, wouldn't you agree on so?

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51756729]Also you know, that's going too far with the corrupt and incompetent part (yet), trump is only 1 month in office yet and you're putting him in a position of corruption bigger than the likes of Richard Nixon. Not to mention the only choice others had was someone part of the Clinton family. Which you know, is in the same muddy situation with corruption and incompetence. So either side is enabling corrupt and incompetent politicians on part which also means they're well-intentioned but willfully ignorant, wouldn't you agree on so?[/QUOTE] He is 10 days into office. I wouldn't agree that Clinton would be worse than Trump at this stage.

And some people say a single man can't make a difference.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51756795]He is 10 days into office. I wouldn't agree that Clinton would be worse than Trump at this stage.[/QUOTE] You don't agree, and that's fine. But you're still acknowledging how both sides here are known for being corrupt. And the other poster mentioning about how someone right-wing like Tudd, "as well intentioned" is "enabling an corrupt and incompetent politician". Which is kinda ignorant on his part because the other side was also enabling someone that happened to be involved in corruption scandals and incompetence. [editline]31st January 2017[/editline] It's also an excuse people sadly use to judge others often in an exaggerated way, like pretty much what's happening to Tudd here.

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51757027]You don't agree, and that's fine. But you're still acknowledging how both sides here are known for being corrupt. And the other poster mentioning about how someone right-wing like Tudd, "as well intentioned" is "enabling an corrupt and incompetent politician". Which is kinda ignorant on his part because the other side was also enabling someone that happened to be involved in corruption scandals and incompetence. [editline]31st January 2017[/editline] It's also an excuse people sadly use to judge others often in an exaggerated way, like pretty much what's happening to Tudd here.[/QUOTE] Almost nobody here even liked Hillary Clinton though. The worst you got was some very mild apologism- you certainly didn't see many people shouting "IT'S HER TURN." Absolutely nothing like the fanatical support Trump got from some people. You can go on about how both sides were corrupt and incompetent all you want, but only one had a cult of personality based around being the exact opposite.

Tudd doesn't debate people in a clear and level-headed way, he doesn't debate people at all. He's just a memester, and Trump is the new meme.

[QUOTE=elowin;51757591]Tudd doesn't debate people in a clear and level-headed way, he doesn't debate people at all. He's just a memester, and Trump is the new meme.[/QUOTE] Well, compared to people like Pvt. Martin.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;51757629]Well, compared to people like Pvt. Martin.[/QUOTE] Or Pootis Mann. Compared to the other trump fans on here, Tudd's pretty good. He's like Milo, but more homoerotic.

[QUOTE=The bird Man;51756802]And some people say a single man can't make a difference.[/QUOTE] what about a married man

[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;51757641]Or Pootis Mann. Compared to the other trump fans on here, Tudd's pretty good. He's like Milo, but more homoerotic.[/QUOTE] I stamp this post with approval.

Tudd isn't really that bad, the problem is that he's denser than a neutron star. You can debate him on a topic in one thread and just get nothing out of it when he comes back in another thread and does the exact same thing with zero self awareness or nuance. He seems pretty deeply entrenched in what he believes, which isn't a good thing when some of those beliefs are proven time and time again to not based in fact. I also really dislike his self-righteous crusade to "balance" FP by spamming cherrypicked videos of the "left" to push a certain perspective. Maybe someone else has different experiences debating with him but on FP it feels like a lost cause.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51757681]I stamp this post with approval.[/QUOTE] and I stamp every one of your posts with disapproval but I don't post about it

[QUOTE=Mingebox;51757373]Almost nobody here even liked Hillary Clinton though. The worst you got was some very mild apologism- you certainly didn't see many people shouting "IT'S HER TURN." Absolutely nothing like the fanatical support Trump got from some people. You can go on about how both sides were corrupt and incompetent all you want, but only one had a cult of personality based around being the exact opposite.[/QUOTE] I remember in election day a LOT of people wanting Hillary to win, so I don't know what's "liked" in your book but for me a lot of people here supported her during the elections. Just go to a past election thread and see how much people wanted Hillary to win. Also you went from "people on the right-wing are at the very best people with good intentions, but they're willfully ignorant because of them enabling a corrupt president" to your own personal opinion "They had a cult of personality because they were different from the other side". You're avoiding the point I just made into a slight different version regarding your opinion. This election has as much brain-dead people from both sides. It would be foolish to think the left as a saint where they can also be guilty of the same thing they can accuse sometimes.

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51757739]I remember in election day a LOT of people wanting Hillary to win, so I don't know what's "liked" in your book but for me a lot of people here supported her during the elections. Just go to a past election thread and see how much people wanted Hillary to win. Also you went from "people on the right-wing are at the very best people with good intentions, but they're willfully ignorant because of them enabling a corrupt president" to your own personal opinion "They had a cult of personality because they were different from the other side". You're avoiding the point I just made into a slight different version regarding your opinion. This election has as much brain-dead people from both sides. It would be foolish to think the left as a saint where they can also be guilty of the same thing they can accuse sometimes.[/QUOTE] Of course people wanted Hillary to win when her opponent was a xenophobic, nationalistic reality tv star. I didn't really like Hillary but I can recognize the lesser of two evils in a literal sense of who will hurt the country less. Also I wonder when this centrist circlejerk will end, calling both sides stupid is just as non-conducive as being on one of those sides, if not moreso. All you're doing is just creating yet another divide and self-righteous camp that thinks that they're way smarter than those [I]other[/I] guys.

This guy is not "pretty chill". He is a teenager who ironically joined a movement that is actively crumbling the free-for-all caricature the country was based on; for no other reasons then "I think those people are annoying" and "he is funny, lol pepe". It may sound melodramatic but guys like this are [b]the worst[/b].

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51757739]I remember in election day a LOT of people wanting Hillary to win, so I don't know what's "liked" in your book but for me a lot of people here supported her during the elections. Just go to a past election thread and see how much people wanted Hillary to win.[/QUOTE] You completely missed the point, when people were presented with a choice between a shitty candidate and a less shitty candidate they rooted for the less shitty one. Doesn't mean they liked them.

[QUOTE=Toothpick;51757799]This guy is not "pretty chill". He is a teenager who ironically joined a movement that is actively crumbling the free-for-all caricature the country was based on; for no other reasons then "I think those people are annoying" and "he is funny, lol pepe". It may sound melodramatic but guys like this are [b]the worst[/b].[/QUOTE] Im pretty sure he's not a teenager.

I would like to chime in on something. I think it is important to realise that I am not right on every argument, but I am putting my opinon out here knowing full well that the demographics are going against me on popular opinion. I have my strong arguments and my weak ones, just like everyone else. And I do talk to people who treat me with respect the respect I owe them. That one thread about the ban is a good example of how not to have a political discourse. Nagging, labeling me a fascist-nazi-xenophobe-racist-unamerican individual, switching the topics with "Tudd answer this." is why I don't feel inclined to engage with anyone in that thread specifically. But I can handle that, and actually doesn't piss me off. If I didn't want it to I would just leave. What does make me frustrated, is watching the same people shit on moderates/centrists who have a more neutral position or "appears" to support Trump in the same ways. I have seen multiple people in the middle of bandwagon say, "Fuck this, I hope Trump wins" because they got so sick of the hyperbolic whining or ridiculous reactions to news. I get several PMs and wall messages of people who tell me, "I really don't agree with you, but keep doing it and those guys are ridiculous" so I know this is coming from somewhere that would otherwise rather not deal with me. So my message is, don't think everyone is watching you with envied eyes when you call me a Fascist, or destroy someone with centrist view cause they can't hold a "balanced view" according to you. The people who do this are counter-actively making people disagree/move away from these views you hold.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51757769] Also I wonder when this centrist circlejerk will end, calling both sides stupid is just as non-conducive as being on one of those sides, if not moreso. All you're doing is just creating yet another divide and self-righteous camp that thinks that they're way smarter than those [I]other[/I] guys.[/QUOTE] I have a side here, I'm not exclusively centrist. Also you should probably realize that this divide is not caused by centrism but from everyone calling each other "cucks" and "nazis" all the time. pointing out how stupid each side can get is not centrism, having political views that point to an equal balance or center in a political model is centrism. Please learn that before slowly letting yourself ramble about something that doesn't make sense and just goes on mindless accusations about egotism no one mentioned in the first place.

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51757887]I have a side here, I'm not exclusively centrist. Also you should probably realize that this divide is not caused by centrism but from everyone calling each other "cucks" and "nazis" all the time. pointing out how stupid each side can get is not centrism, having political views that point to an equal balance or center in a political model is centrism. Please learn that before slowly letting yourself ramble about something that doesn't make sense and just goes on mindless accusations about egotism no one mentioned in the first place.[/QUOTE] Pointing out how stupid each side can be is a very common characteristic of self-righteous centrists and moderates that I've noticed, so I apologize for lumping you in with that crowd. I suppose my problem with that tired statement is that while it is technically true, it doesn't tell us anything of significance or substance. Sure, it is possible that individuals on the political spectrum are bad people. That's such a matter-of-fact blatant truth that its ulterior motive comes out to be something along the lines of "people who hold convictions and opinions are stupid", [I]especially[/I] when its contextualized by saying that there are an [B]equal[/B] amount of stupid people on both sides. First of all, that's practically impossible to substantiate, and second, it paints both sides of the massively nuanced and complicated political spectrum as mirror images of each other who only differ on minute opinion differences. The statement "there are just as many braindead people on both sides" might apply to a Chocolate Ice Cream Enthusiast vs. Vanilla Ice Cream Enthusiast argument where things are more black and white, but as you demonstrate, peoples opinions are largely more nuanced to where you can place them into an ideological camp to criticize. I have a variety of opinions and stances, and while they do place me on the left of the spectrum, that doesn't do justice to what I think or feel as an individual. Calling both sides braindead, as I said, fans the flames more than it quells them. It reduces the finer points that each side wants to present by only presenting each sides worst. It's a silencing mechanism, often used to discredit criticism of an ideology by saying "well the other side has stupid people too!"