[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;51758866]I just realised something...
I think Tudd has become our new milkandcooki.
Honestly, I don't hate the guy, I just wish he would quit pushing his ideology 24/7.[/QUOTE]
Haha naaah. You're comparing the wrong type of guy here, milkandcooki is what J!NX said, a weird and creepy furry guy who's too open about his inflation and vore fetish. That's the least thing I would attribute to Tudd. The only thing I see people hating on Tudd is based on political opinion, which if you stripped people would find he's actually not that bad, but political opinion speaks louder for other people for some reason, who still wonder why is there a division on the relationship between right and left supporters. Keep judging others this bad for their political opinion and you'll see how much harm it'll cause in your life if you haven't already used all the excuses you've had as to why it's not wrong to do so.
[QUOTE=Gorgus;51758916]Can you elaborate on that? I searched for milkandcooki on google and the first things that showed up was some furry vore stuff ...[/QUOTE]
This is my favorite post of the month
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51758992]Haha naaah. You're comparing the wrong type of guy here, milkandcooki is what J!NX said, a weird and creepy furry guy who's too open about his inflation and vore fetish. That's the least thing I would attribute to Tudd. The only thing I see people hating on Tudd is based on political opinion, which if you stripped people would find he's actually not that bad, but political opinion speaks louder for other people for some reason, who still wonder why is there a division on the relationship between right and left supporters. Keep judging others this bad for their political opinion and you'll see how much harm it'll cause in your life if you haven't already used all the excuses you've had as to why it's not wrong to do so.[/QUOTE]
I just meant that like milkandcooki, Tudd has become facepunch's designated punching bag.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;51759107]I just meant that like milkandcooki, Tudd has become facepunch's designated punching bag.[/QUOTE]
to be fair, Milkandcooki kind of deserved it at least :v:
this thread has been wild and it's exactly why i still visit this site
[QUOTE=J!NX;51759113]to be fair, Milkandcooki kind of deserved it at least :v:[/QUOTE]
Oh for sure.
I think Tudd is fine sometimes, and at his worst he's just annoying.
I actually gag just [I]thinking[/I] about milkandcooki.
Tudd seems like an okay guy. But honestly, when your threadposting gets to the point that I can instantly discern which threads you've created from reading the title alone, then you should probably work on being less preachy.
I'll be honest, at first I thought Tudd was an elaborate troll with quasi-political aims, like a DeagleNation spoof, or a parody of the existence of Max.
However, his continued, relatively levelheaded, patient and calm posting, even with an ideological slant (but not with what I would honestly call an [I]obnoxious[/I] ideological slant) have won my respect.
I do not like, approve of, or believe that on the whole that Donald Trump is a good president. However, as I've been pointing out [I]roughly since halfway through the primaries,[/I] the ape-shit tier hatefest surrounding Trump achieved and eclipsed self-parodying proportions that are genuinely counter-productive, and Tudd seems like an entirely appropriate and acceptable anti-thesis to the thesis established by the inane zeitgeist harnessed in the cartoonish vilification of Trump.
That vilification that mind you achieves the same absurd paradox that W's did, by simultaneously accusing him of being a brain damaged lab chimp incapable of real human speech without his handpuppet operator firmly wedged up his ass, and a crypto-fascist soon-to-be-dictator playing [B]N-[/B]dimensional checkers against himself in an elaborate ruse to achieve ultimate supremacy.
The fact that Tudd can also check his politics at the door and not drag them all over the forum like a slimy carcass (save for somewhat prolific Media posting, which itself is relatively contained in it's own threads that live or die on their own merits and is otherwise uncontroversial) is in and of itself exactly what I believe in and advocate for all forum-goers to do.
You do not raise the level of discourse by advocating the censure, removal and destruction of your opponents. You do not raise the level of discourse by insinuating or directly stating that they are somehow mentally challenged, deeply bigoted, or otherwise biased.
You raise the level of the game by either choosing to hear their arguments or making it plain that you simply find their entire argument not acceptable to engage in (for instance, I refuse to discuss whether or not it would be appropriate to ethnically cleanse anything, for obvious reasons.) You raise the level by accepting that intelligent, urbane, and otherwise cogent people can hold views, beliefs and relatively-well-justified positions even if they are positions that you find [I]entirely[/I] abhorrent.
In short, do not fall for the trap, and punch the Nazi. You only convince people that the Nazi did nothing wrong.
I don't think we've ever had a thread dedicated to discussing one SH poster before, at least as far as I can remember.
I guess that's some sort of an achievement.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51758626]I honestly think Judas is worse than Tudd because he comes across as a jackass.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DuCT;51758666]I've seen Tudd be friendly with people he disagrees with. I've never seen that from Judas[/QUOTE]
Judas is more acerbic but also more honest. Tudd is friendly with people he disagrees with him, but ridicules and strawmans leftists, which are coincidently people who disagrees with him. I'd say they are the same, Tudd is just more subtle. I've had friendly disagreements with both but Judas never went to another part of the forum and implied I was delusional.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51758779]If you look at my posts before the election, I was pretty damn diligent to appear unbiased. I think with the polarization of of this election and how ridiculous some of the left are on this site, I am now up to stick my neck up on the other side despite me being way closer to the center than a typical conservative.[/QUOTE]
I don't mean to judge you just by how you portray yourself on Facepunch but I don't have much choice; you show absolutely nothing that would make me conclude you are anywhere near the center. Which is fine, there are farther-right people than you on FP and they are good posters. I'm just trying to say you aren't really giving off that vibe.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51758779]All rhetorically pointed at others, not to you specifically. And thanks, that's why I actually like you overall despite deeply disagreeing with you.[/QUOTE]
We probably agree on more about the pro's of a Trump presidency than most. I'm pro gun, pro strong border, pro military, pro Israel, and it seems like he has dialed back his rhetoric about NATO a bit. My problem with him right now is what he has said about the press and his reorganization of the security council. Do you atleast understand why people might feel this way?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51758779]To be fair on all that, I did say in my post that I was generalizing like crazy, but if he wanted to specific we could.[/QUOTE]
I don't know which part of my post you are referring to but I'd really like to know what wasn't ideal about the election and, more specifically, what isn't ideal about Trump. Even a single thing he has done or said would pique my curiosity at this point.
facepunch is really good at creating the [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1550641&p=51757799&viewfull=1#post51757799]most[/url] [url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=406889]depraved[/url] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1550641&p=51756553&viewfull=1#post51756553]reasons[/url] to justify hating someone who is a outlier from the hive
[QUOTE=Tudd;51758078]Well that's the problem, I simply don't see it like that. And that's why we have this fundamental disconnect.
I think the true answer is always something closer in the middle of two biased sources, and that is perhaps why I am so interested in posting news and sources that fundamentally oppose the popular opinion here.[/QUOTE]
Golden middle isn't really valid. I don't think if, say, a cannibal wants to kill and eat me, the solution is to meet him halfway and chop off my arm for him, sometimes you have to take a stand.
The golden middle fallacy is just that, a fallacy. It's just mindless relativism, and we all know relativism is crap.
I am sorry but a lot of this thread seems like backlashing at people who have read and debated with posts by Tudd who clearly has shown that he has some deeply regressive, xenophobic amd blatantly /pol/ tier opinions.
The guy very often avoids to react to arguments and questions about his opinions and that's what lead to the "answer this Tudd" posts of the last weeks that a lot of people seem to criticize in this thread.
And that is a valid criticizm but what you seem to forget is that the reason that people got into that mindset is that every other poster who would've shown Tudd's level of wiggling around and literally spamming slanted, untrustable, extreme threads and thread topics without actually arguing would've been banned. Did you all really forget the stuff this guy posts
His threads are the manifestation of the [url=https://imgflip.com/i/mvngf]hey guys[/url] meme.
A guy who has [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1547079&p=51603444&viewfull=1#post51603444] Accuses people of "just have taken soundbites and headlines and already made conclusions.
"[/url] all the while furthering that very same behaviour and showing it himself, just look at
[url]https://facepunch.com/search.php?searchid=7728930[/url]
And then there is the constant [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1540175&p=51298103#post51298103]"Whataboutism"[/url]
Cases like
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1547123&p=51608677#post51608677[/url]
where everyone else would've been banned for "why reply, use ratings" but somehow Tudd gets off scott free while people reporting get a slap don't help either.
A guy who supports the alt right and indirectly called people calling out the Alt-Right for what the last few weeks of news showed they are (NeoNazis) [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=51605849#post51605849]buffoons[/url] and [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1547079&p=51605937#post51605937]idiots[/url]
And I don't think now that some "goofy" but very creepy and weird video and some "goofy" posts of pics of himself have made the guy "relateable" his views and especially the views of people he [I]regularly defends[/I] get any less despicable.
I don't want to look like I try to shit on Tudd but a lot of people just seem to post an opinion here in the memory of just the recent weeks and forget why people actually are kind of mad at Tudd. And to an extend at the mods not even taking a little measure to dam the excessive "here look what kind of dumb shit leftists do based on a video showing some idiots" thread posting, respective the general debating culture of Tudd. On the contrary, it even seems like they encourage hime sometimes.
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[QUOTE=Mintbox;51759897]words[/QUOTE]
this is a killuah alt I bet
[QUOTE=Tudd;51757880]I would like to chime in on something.
I think it is important to realise that I am not right on every argument, but I am putting my opinon out here knowing full well that the demographics are going against me on popular opinion. I have my strong arguments and my weak ones, just like everyone else.
And I do talk to people who treat me with respect the respect I owe them. That one thread about the ban is a good example of how not to have a political discourse. Nagging, labeling me a fascist-nazi-xenophobe-racist-unamerican individual, switching the topics with "Tudd answer this." is why I don't feel inclined to engage with anyone in that thread specifically.
But I can handle that, and actually doesn't piss me off. If I didn't want it to I would just leave. What does make me frustrated, is watching the same people shit on moderates/centrists who have a more neutral position or "appears" to support Trump in the same ways. I have seen multiple people in the middle of bandwagon say, "Fuck this, I hope Trump wins" because they got so sick of the hyperbolic whining or ridiculous reactions to news. I get several PMs and wall messages of people who tell me, "I really don't agree with you, but keep doing it and those guys are ridiculous" so I know this is coming from somewhere that would otherwise rather not deal with me.
So my message is, don't think everyone is watching you with envied eyes when you call me a Fascist, or destroy someone with centrist view cause they can't hold a "balanced view" according to you. The people who do this are counter-actively making people disagree/move away from these views you hold.[/QUOTE]
I love how even right now you're just ignoring all the people calling you out on ignoring arguments.
To be honest, I still can't tell if you're actually this dense or just an incredibly elaborate troll.
[QUOTE=kimr120;51759910]this is a killuah alt I bet[/QUOTE]
"it" is
You know, you can say "you"
Points still stand.
[QUOTE=Mintbox;51759897]
Cases like
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1547123&p=51608677#post51608677[/url]
where everyone else would've been banned for "why reply, use ratings" but somehow Tudd gets off scott free while people reporting get a slap don't help either.[/QUOTE]
tbh I'd rate that dumb purely on the basis of quoting the OP's video because lets be honest, that shit is god damn weird
and also, mods can't see every post. When people don't report a post they might not see it. Which is why sometimes, shit goes unbanned
[QUOTE=elowin;51759928]I love how even right now you're just ignoring all the people calling you out on ignoring arguments.
To be honest, I still can't tell if you're actually this dense or just an incredibly elaborate troll.[/QUOTE]
Furthermore the post shows a big part of what people have problems with: he tries to paint the deepy right and conservative and backwards opinions as "moderate/centrist" when in fact they aren't. Best example is all of the postes about the Milo guy
Mybe it's more exact it's what I have problems with, I can't speak for others
[QUOTE=J!NX;51758895]More like Yawmwen or thisispain, only now its trump instead of either meth/anarchy, or feminism/whatever thisispain was about
Milkncooki was just a really big idiot and creep[/QUOTE]
Both those people never got anywhere close to being polite, Yawmwen got banned for shrieking at everybody like a lunatic and suggesting that killing cops was OK because they were class traitors. Thisispain got the boot for passively aggressively attacking other posters and flaming. Both were probably the biggest bollockses on the forum. But Yawmwen was considered a laughing stock like Rayhalo and Thisispain was in the gold circlejerk clique until he got too obnoxious even for them.
[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;51759240]Tudd seems like an okay guy. But honestly, when your threadposting gets to the point that I can instantly discern which threads you've created from reading the title alone, then you should probably work on being less preachy.[/QUOTE]
This is really my only gripe with Tudd. I don't care much about his political views or rep in SH since I try to stay out of that stuff, but jesus I've already found myself going "I bet this was posted by Tudd" whenever I see certain thread titles. :v:
[QUOTE=kimr120;51759910]this is a killuah alt I bet[/QUOTE]Have a winner for master of the bloody obvious :v:
[QUOTE=J!NX;51759934]and also, mods can't see every post. When people don't report a post they might not see it. Which is why sometimes, shit goes unbanned[/QUOTE]Yes, report stuff so it gets seen and dealt with. I don't have quite a sufficiently lacking life that I could read everything that gets posted. Just don't report shit that you lot merely personally disagree with.
Craptasket permabanned Fudd Tudders with the reason “Gimmick and gay”
wow i can't believe crapt banned Fudd Tudders
RIP A LEGEND
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rip
Shitting on Tudd doesn't help things.
I just fundamentally don't get Tudd, and I don't think many of us ever will. He seems to have bought ideas that are, for the rest of, clearly bunk.
Tudd, you're clearly smart, and you clearly get too much shit for what you're doing, but you don't earn yourself any favours with a number of your posts in SH.
Raidyr and I, both dealt with a fair amount of being called literal shills, and getting a bunch of shit on our VM's, it's not a one sided shit slinging fest.
[QUOTE=Judas;51751791]making memes about yourself is weak man[/QUOTE]
Considering you look like this:
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/752336688010125312/_5dmCttG.jpg[/img]
and refer to yourself as "She/Her/Hers" on your Tumblr, you're a much weaker thing then he is just sayin'.
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No wonder he is a Trump supporter. White cis-male scum.
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[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51768935]No wonder he is a Trump supporter. White cis-male scum.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, I am quite homoerotic/metro-sexual.
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51768935]No wonder he is a Trump supporter. White cis-male scum.[/QUOTE]
lol people are so self serious they cant even see the obvious joke in this
[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;51769670]I knew it was a joke.
It's just a joke that's been done to death and was never really funny to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Best to just report and ban him for that, right? a joke you didn't like?
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