#1 brake check never seen. Despite any bold lettering, this was no attempt to [I]'run people off the fucking road.'[/I]
That's taunting him at most, and telling him off at least.
Almost every biker on a crotch rocket I've seen acts like this guy. I know I'm in the minority here and while I don't agree with the old dude flipping out on the biker, he's got the balls to actually do what I've thought about in an odd daydream a split second after being tailgated or cut off by a biker on a rice rocket.
It's really not worth defending either party here and what vehicle they have means dick all. Both guys are as retarded as each other. Both attempted to leave the scene after doing illegal things. Old man committed assault and stole property. Biker potentially damaged property with pulling mirror and encouraged situation to get worse. Both the biker and car driver was driving like morons doing dangerous shit. Pulling over is naturally dumb on both of them.
The bikers attitude was suicidal and aggressive but putting down your window to assault someone and to then follow them after they retreat to assault them further is easily the most illegal thing here by far. As he chose to pull over (not advised) he should of locked his doors and left his windows up and called the police. When the biker from the outside asked the other car to call the police he should of kept distance from the car. Once again getting this far into the situation is stupid by both of them anyway.
As a motorcyclist and bicyclist myself I can easily understand how you can quickly become filled with rage at the constant never ending stream of bad drivers nearly killing you but getting too worked up about it and pulling over and getting off your bike is never a good idea for obvious reasons. If your going to ride any kind of bike on the road you have to be willing to accept ass hats will near kill you and not get enraged. I can say myself that it is no easy task to just carry on riding without throwing a fit there and then but its for the best. If you ride with a camera and have video of the incident then your best bet is to just report it.
This entire situation was just stupid from both of them.
The guy in the car didn't do anything wrong, initially. They were in 2 lanes, guy in the car was driving normally. Guy in the bike didn't do anything to attempt to merge into the next lane.
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;52459003]Still he didn't say "I'm gonna beat you up", we don't know his intentions but they don't really matter; the old guy assaulted him.[/QUOTE]
In context with "pull over, bitch," let's go means let's fight; there's no question that it's what he said at least.
[QUOTE=gnampf;52458933]Almost every biker on a crotch rocket I've seen acts like this guy. I know I'm in the minority here and while I don't agree with the old dude flipping out on the biker, he's got the balls to actually do what I've thought about in an odd daydream a split second after being tailgated or cut off by a biker on a rice rocket.[/QUOTE]
Fuck that old ass nigga and anybody you on his side tbh.
Theres a reason we bikers get pissed alot and its because of douchebags putting our lives in risk.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52459178]Theres a reason we bikers get pissed alot and its because of douchebags putting our lives in risk.[/QUOTE]
Maybe bikers shouldn't tailgate and weave in and out of lanes and pass on the shoulder and a dozen other douchebag things they normally do and they wouldn't be putting their own lives in risk, moreso than other drivers do to them.
Again, I'm not saying the old guy was right in what he did, but not all bikers are angels.
>anybody you on his side
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[QUOTE=Kabstrac;52459314]It doesn't mean anything, he didn't punch the guy first or even fight back, so no he wasn't looking for a finger because HE DIDN'T FIGHT. People pull over to argue and yell at each other which is dumb but it is better than assault or worse.[/QUOTE]
All I'm saying is that it's what he stupidly asked for, whether he meant it or not. In that I'm not wrong.
[T]https://i.imgur.com/vjbMTTd.jpg[/T]
Yes, in US law the driver went too far, surely a bit in morals too; the point here is that laws alone don't define right & wrong, and the biker's not a damn victim either.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52459367]We don't support the guys doing wheelies on the interstate or driving up the shoulder, those are the guys who end up on a crash statistics spreadsheet.[/QUOTE]
What annoys me is when those people do stupid shit like that but then when someone does something stupid around them, they try to play the victim.
Like if you wanna show off so badly, aren't there closed courses you can do that shit at instead of public roads where you're putting yourself and others in danger?
[QUOTE=Talvy;52458927]#1 brake check never seen. Despite any bold lettering, this was no attempt to [I]'run people off the fucking road.'[/I]
He was taunting him at most, and telling him off at least.[/QUOTE]
"I was taunting him" says the man scraping a biker out from under his fucking wheel arches
Oh please the lot of you are victim blaming the biker for almost getting hit by a car and getting assaulted and robbed because of your pathetic hatred against us riders.
I don't drive, so I have nothing against you.
[QUOTE=Paramud;52459449]"I was taunting him" says the man scraping a biker out from under his fucking wheel arches[/QUOTE]
if only it weren't for those faulty brakes causing him to just barely slow down at all
[QUOTE=Sky King;52459454]Oh please the lot of you are victim blaming the biker for almost getting hit by a car and getting assaulted and robbed because of your pathetic hatred against us riders.[/QUOTE]
Um no? You can keep up with that victim complex but if you can't see that both parties are retarded then you got issues.
The rider is a victim of his own stupidity, two wrongs don't make a right. The driver is a victim of his own stupidity for his actions. Both of them are equally negligent. If you think for one second the riders behavior is acceptable then you're apart of the problem. I've hanged out with dozens of people who are in motorcycle clubs and most of them are 100 percent about safety. if they saw this I Can tell you they would say both parties are dumb and playing a dangerous game. If this was one of their members they would have been removed from the club.
The driver was being a dickhead and the biker would have been in the right if he would have just pulled off the road or slowed down to avoid and let this driver go on his way. (This is what most safety courses teach when it comes to road-rage. Don't participate in it and go somewhere safe.)
[QUOTE=MR-X;52459477]Um no? You can keep up with that victim complex but if you can't see that both parties are retarded then you got issues.
The rider is a victim of his own stupidity, two wrongs don't make a right. The driver is a victim of his own stupidity for his actions. Both of them are equally negligent. If you think for one second the riders behavior is acceptable then you're apart of the problem. I've hanged out with dozens of people who are in motorcycle clubs and most of them are 100 percent about safety. if they saw this I Can tell you they would say both parties are dumb and playing a dangerous game. If this was one of their members they would have been removed from the club.[/QUOTE]
Flipping somebody off is grounds to get attacked and robbed.
[QUOTE=Talvy;52459465]If only it weren't for that mechanical error causing him to just slow down![/QUOTE]
Look if you want to justify murdering someone for flipping you off there's nothing I can say to you because the only person qualified to convince you otherwise is someone with a formal education in psychology.
Either the biker died, or you missed my sarcasm.
[QUOTE=Talvy;52459500]Either the biker died, or you missed my sarcasm there.[/QUOTE]
At no point did I claim that the driver actually hit the biker. My point was the hypothetical scenario of the driver hitting the brakes, the biker not reacting in time, and the resulting collision causing the biker's skull to be crushed against the pavement. Or any of the other thousand ways he could have been killed.
Which, by the way, is murder. [url=http://5newsonline.com/2017/05/25/man-facing-murder-charges-after-allegedly-slamming-on-breaks-in-fatal-road-rage-accident/][1][/url][url=http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/jun/21/plea-innocent-in-biker-s-death-20170621/?f=news-arkansas][2][/url][url=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/12/17/canada-ducklings-highway-fatal-court/20513845/][3][/url]
[QUOTE=Sky King;52459486]Flipping somebody off is grounds to get attacked and robbed.[/QUOTE]
Seriously?
The motorcycle fucking pulled over and walked up to the car. He made himself into a victim by being an idiot. Had he just flipped the dude off and drove off and went away this would have never happened.
The car driver didn't make him pull over, the driver pulled over and the biker should have just kept fucking going.
[QUOTE=Paramud;52459551]At no point did I claim that the driver actually hit the biker. My point was the hypothetical scenario of the driver hitting the brakes, the biker not reacting in time, and the resulting collision causing the biker's skull to be crushed against the pavement. Or any of the other thousand ways he could have been killed.
Which, by the way, is murder. [url=http://5newsonline.com/2017/05/25/man-facing-murder-charges-after-allegedly-slamming-on-breaks-in-fatal-road-rage-accident/][1][/url][url=http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/jun/21/plea-innocent-in-biker-s-death-20170621/?f=news-arkansas][2][/url][url=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/12/17/canada-ducklings-highway-fatal-court/20513845/][3][/url][/QUOTE]
Right, but that's it: hypothetical. He didn't [B]hit[/B] the brakes.
If you look closely, you can even see that he slows down before the car ahead, and steers to align with the traffic.
[QUOTE=Talvy;52459640]Alright, but that's it: hypothetical. He didn't [I]hit[/I] the brakes.
If you look closely, you can even see that he first slows down to match the speed of the traffic, before steering left to align with the car in front.[/QUOTE]
And you go ahead and tell yourself that every time you [b]don't[/b] accidentally murder someone by pulling this shit, because it only takes [b]one[/b] time for you to fuck up and end a life. I hope you don't end up thinking to yourself "I was only taunting him" while you're standing in front of a grave someday.
You don't listen. I still don't drive, and haven't planned; road rage such as this is not a thing in my country either. You also continue to ignore the biker pulling that shit too, only he wasn't braking for someone ahead. Rewatch.
To whom? I do agree that the driver's not in the right either; it's just a thought that he's slowing down because there's a car right in front of him. Either way it's still blown out of proportion, so to say that he even remotely tried to run him off the road is bull. This is not a complex scenario, so if anything, my judgement here is unbiased.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52459454]Oh please the lot of you are victim blaming the biker for almost getting hit by a car and getting assaulted and robbed because of your pathetic hatred against us riders.[/QUOTE]
You must not have seen the very first part of the video
the part where he cut in front of a car that was giving him reasonable space and did nothing wrong at all to flip him off
don't try and make him out to be a angel lmao
[editline]12th July 2017[/editline]
if you can't see where both of them went wrong then something must be going on in your brain to justify one over the other THIS much. Don't try and pull that 'you just hate us card'
[QUOTE=Talvy;52459670]road rage such as this is not a thing in my country either.[/QUOTE]
Road rage like this happens everywhere.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52459486]Flipping somebody off is grounds to get attacked and robbed.[/QUOTE]
Nobody's saying that.
However if you're yelling at a car, flipping them off, and then you pull over with them and you get punched in the fucking face, nobody should be surprised. There's no crusade against bikers here, the argument is that to some extent the biker in the OP video is liable for his actions, and if he just dropped it and drove off he would be fine.
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;52461216]Maybe not surprised, but it still shouldn't happen.
None of this should've happened but neither biker nor driver took any steps to defuse the situation.[/QUOTE]
Right, no single person's actions caused the fight or the road rage. Which also helps the "there's no crusade against bikers in this thread" argument.
Clearly both men are in the wrong here. The biker started it with his reckless driving but the old man did not make things better by returning the favor.
Although the biker initially endangered himself by being reckless, the old man would be charged for assault with a deadly weapon.
However any charges in regards to the fight that takes place afterwards would be entirely baseless as the biker initiated the fight "Wanna fight? Let's go!" and the old man consenting by striking the first blow. When the biker leans his head into the car the driver is within his rights to remove the "intruder" in this case, however since the fight had already been declared I would argue that these men are simply both road raging on each other.
If I were the judge I'd have both men charged for reckless driving, endangering lives, and assault. I would add assault with a deadly weapon to the old man however. Since they were both dicks, I say they both be punished.
But hey I'm just some person on the internet with an opinion.
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;52461181]That's BS. Here's an incident in your ~angelic road rageless~ country that involves a motorcyclist almost getting hit from behind by an ignorant driver. Took like 2 seconds on Google
[video=youtube_share;xByT2fIAExg]http://youtu.be/xByT2fIAExg[/video][/QUOTE]
[I]Road rage like that is not a thing here[/I] means that nobody in that video crashes or exits their vehicle to have a fight; and even if they did, you wouldn't find many more cases - because traffic & culture differs by country.
[QUOTE=Talvy;52461269][I]Road rage like that is not a thing here[/I] means that nobody in that video crashes or exits their vehicle to have a fight; and even if they did, you wouldn't find many more cases - because traffic & culture differs by country.[/QUOTE]
Also the fact that the US has almost 60 times the population as Finland means that you'll find many more cases of pretty much anything here...
BBC lists Greece as the third worst country when it comes to road rage, so it's not just that tho'
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