[QUOTE=Apache249;52461589]Also the fact that the US has almost 60 times the population as Finland means that you'll find many more cases of pretty much anything here...[/QUOTE]
that and the US has far more road systems. The more roads you have, the harder it is to manage the infrastructure of them
driving on shitty roads isn't fun at all
[QUOTE=Protocol7;52461210]Nobody's saying that.
However if you're yelling at a car, flipping them off, and then you pull over with them and you get punched in the fucking face, nobody should be surprised. There's no crusade against bikers here, the argument is that to some extent the biker in the OP video is liable for his actions, and if he just dropped it and drove off he would be fine.[/QUOTE]
I know that [i]you're[/i] not saying that, but:
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;52456038]fucking deserved.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;52456078]Delusional fuck in the bike picked a fight for literally no reason.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FlamingBlizza;52456090]he deserved it[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=spectator1;52456642]That was fucking hilarious.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fantastical;52456824]Good, fucker deserved it. Bikers are the worst people[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fantastical;52456955]Pretty much every biker I've seen in traffic acts like an asshole. Speeding, overtaking like complete morons, squeezing between cars when there's a line at a stop light, and worst of all they fucking rev up those engines so the whole damn city can hear them, even at night too.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;52461915]I can't watch the video right now but does the biker ever say "Want to fight?" let alone does the car driver ever hear him say that? I thought he just wanted to pullover. And also the biker didn't put his head in the car as he wouldn't fit his helmet through, and the driver rolled down the window to assault the biker. I don't agree that the biker should be charged with assault, but the rest I agree with.[/QUOTE]
The driver rolled down his window as anyone would so he could hear the biker but the biker approached him aggressively. The biker tells someone to call 911, likely in an attempt to make himself seem the victim. The old man rolls his window down and the biker immediately yells at him "Hey what the hell are you doing?" the old man strikes the biker as the biker is yelling and closing in on him (You do not have to stick your head that close to yell at someone unless you're trying to be the dominant one). The old man would have no way of knowing if the biker intended to strike him as well or not but his behavior makes it a safe assumption to make.
I doubt the driver could hear the biker make his threats before they pulled over but the fact that the biker made those threats at all show he was not at all willing to simply talk it over. The biker was looking for a fight at this point.
This is why I'd say the biker should be charged with assault. He didn't win the fight but he instigated it.
[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;52464226]This is why I'd say the biker should be charged with assault.[/QUOTE]
Except he didn't assault him.
He did not even fight back.
[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;52464226]I'd say the biker should be charged with assault. He didn't win the fight but he instigated it.[/QUOTE]
Whats next? Charging people for robbery because they were flaunting their money around and got robbed?
Charging someone for reckless driving for playing in the street and getting hit?
This isn't how assault charges or laws work. What are you thinking.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52464535]Whats next? Charging people for robbery because they were flaunting their money around and got robbed?
Charging someone for reckless driving for playing in the street and getting hit?
This isn't how assault charges or laws work. What are you thinking.[/QUOTE]
reckless driving is actually considered assault in some locations
[QUOTE=unrezt;52464576]reckless driving is actually considered assault in some locations[/QUOTE]
They aren't arguing they should be charged assault for reckless driving
they're arguing they should be charged for assault for being an asshole, and being assaulted, despite not fighting back
[editline]13th July 2017[/editline]
Though if its what I said, with the playing in the street like, means the person that was playing in the street gets charged
charging people completely opposite of what they did makes no sense at all. If you're going to charge the biker, charge him for reckless driving, not for assault. He never attacked the dude or fought back.
[QUOTE=Paramud;52456091][b]You do not try to drive other people off the fucking road.[/b]
This is not an arguable opinion, this is a fact. It doesn't matter who did what. You do not [b]ever[/b] try to drive someone, especially someone on a bike, off the road. There is [b]nothing[/b] that justifies pulling in front of a biker and slamming on the brakes.[/QUOTE]
Not even as self defense?
Say the biker had a weapon?
I'm legitimately just asking, I know it was not the case here, but in that situation, can this be counted as self-defense?
Assault depends on a variety of factors:
[QUOTE=http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/assault]The act required for an assault must be overt. Although words alone are insufficient, they might create an assault when coupled with some action that indicates the ability to carry out the threat. A mere threat to harm is not an assault; however, a threat combined with a raised fist might be sufficient if it causes a reasonable apprehension of harm in the victim.[/QUOTE]
Whether it happend here is open to debate.
[QUOTE=Talvy;52464602]Assault depends on a variety of factors:
Whether it happend here is open to debate.[/QUOTE]
tbh I wish we had some lawyers on FP
it'd be great to get a lawyers opinion of the video
[QUOTE=Talvy;52464602]Whether it happend here is open to debate.[/QUOTE]
It is debatable indeed. I would argue that if he raised his fist in preparation to punch the old guy he would have responded by punching him back, not by breaking his mirror. Also he sounded shocked when he got punched. To me it's clear he had no intention to go physical on the man.
I am certified FP lawyer btw, I specialize in YT video analysis.
[QUOTE=Paramud;52463433]I know that [i]you're[/i] not saying that, but:[/QUOTE]
I think that's a stretch. There's a difference between saying someone acted like an asshole and received instant karma, and saying that simply flipping people off necessitates a beatdown. We have no idea if the biker didn't piss off the old guy in the car at some point before the video, and I think it's pretty clear that the biker guy did more than just flip the old guy off.
That biker is a weenie. Seriously he flips off people and wants them to pull over saying things like, "c'mon let's do this" then he goes full on weenie mode and starts crying and gets his stuff stolen.
I'm all for bikers but he seems like a poser
[QUOTE=DEMONSKUL;52464597]Not even as self defense?
Say the biker had a weapon?
I'm legitimately just asking, I know it was not the case here, but in that situation, can this be counted as self-defense?[/QUOTE]
v:v:v
I mean, in my opinion, if someone is trying to end your life you should use anything and everything at your disposal to put and keep them down, but that's a really grey area that could go either way in a court.
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;52457370]All you're doing is objectifying and dehumanizing bike riders, a key component of road rage. I live in a city with tons of riders in the summer, as well as being a rider myself for a while, and for every asshole bike rider, I see 10 asshole car drivers. It's not the vehicle, it's the person.
And as far as squeezing between lines (lane splitting, or filtering depending on the specifics), that is actually safer for the motorcyclist. Their vehicle is both smaller and faster than your car, in exchange for the safety. Their filtering/splitting can make traffic go faster and put them in a safer space. And no, this is not my opinion, this is a university studied statistic. Done properly, lane splitting is safe.
The only danger is jealous car drivers going "wah why do they get to skip traffic >:(" which is immature anyway.[/QUOTE]
Dude what
Lane splitting [I]is[/I] dangerous and is illegal or ambiguous in most states. It's one thing if it's done properly (traffic is completely stopped and the biker is going at most 15 mph), but even then, an open door, a kid sticking their arm out the window, a car squeezing into another lane, etc. is all it takes for an incident. What I see more often, though, are bikers that want to just lane split through slow moving, but not stopped, traffic, which is just reckless.
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