• Watch the video the New York Times didn't Want You to See
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Funny how I see this video when my teacher of History is going to show it.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;42611385]I want to know the answer to this, America could crush Israel if they choose to both economically and militarily.[/QUOTE] Because Israels military is very high-tech and well disciplined, and its population being drafted once they hit 18 would mean it'd be damn big too. It'd be a long, drawn out and messy war if America was to go down on them. Shit the entire country is so nationalist they'd be struggling against civilians too.
As far as I can tell, the people in the video are composed of nationalists and ultra-nationalists. Unfortunately, they have a very large amount of power in the Israeli senate. This does not mean that everyone in Israel is like this. You can't condemn an entire country based on the actions of the frighteningly powerful vocal minority.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;42618409]As far as I can tell, the people in the video are composed of nationalists and ultra-nationalists. Unfortunately, they have a very large amount of power in the Israeli senate. This does not mean that everyone in Israel is like this. You can't condemn an entire country based on the actions of the frighteningly powerful vocal minority.[/QUOTE] But it's a Democratic state. Which means the people wanted these crazy fascistic ideas in power.
[QUOTE=Flameon;42607515]Every country has immigration caps. Infilltrators are illegal immigrants. Look up US detention policy, very similar. Just saying. We indefinitely detain illegal immigrants, never need to give them a trial, and then send them back if at all.[/QUOTE] Dude, are you dense? This has nothing to do with the immigration cap in Israel. This is about the racist ideals most of the popultaion and political office live by in Israel, and how serious the problem is getting. Oh, I almost forgot, the one thing that needs to said in every thread like this: THIS SURE REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPEND IN GERMANY 70 YEARS AGO, GEE, I FUCKING WONDER WHAT IT IS!
[QUOTE=Viper202;42618370]Because Israels military is very high-tech and well disciplined, and its population being drafted once they hit 18 would mean it'd be damn big too. It'd be a long, drawn out and messy war if America was to go down on them. Shit the entire country is so nationalist they'd be struggling against civilians too.[/QUOTE] There are tons of country that hates Israel and the second the USA and it's other western allies stops helping them and Israel starts waging war,they're doomed. Though they do have nukes,who knows if they're going to just randomly launch them to enemy countries as a final fuck you before getting destroyed.
the entire video is heavily skewed and biased it's embarrassing how none of you see through that. even that fucking title resembles something that was taken straight out of infowars.com firstly these 'widespread protests' are tiny isolated groups of citizens in neighborhoods in South Tel Aviv who claim that their safety and life quality was ruined by the presence illegal immigrants from Sudan and Eritrea and their anger is justified because according to the national census with collaboration of the police a study that was done in 2010 indicates that the murder rate of illegal immigrants from the two aforementioned nationalities is 9 times higher than that of the general population, not to mention their barbaric and primitive treatment of women. there are a whole bunch of other studies in hebrew that definitively show not only an increased murder-rate among illegal immigrants, but also an increased rate of family abuse reports, burglaries, and theft. with all due respect, the people have every right to be angry about criminals and thugs settling in their neighborhoods. and it's funny how the video heavily implies some sort of deep-seeded racism within the israeli government when that very same government has accepted tens of thousands of Ethiopian asylum seekers and refugees over these past few years, and each and every one of them is getting an pre-paid-for apartment, lowered bills and taxes, and additional monetary aid. it's fucking ridiculous because they don't even have to work, they're just sitting in parks drinking beer all fucking day and get money for that. my family migrated to israel in 1999 from eastern europe and we didnt get shit from the government. if anything, israel panders specifically to african refugees and immigrants so the mere mention of 'racism' is just laughable. also those spooky evil "detention/concentration camps 2.0" are your regular prisons for immigrants literally every single country has, because you can't cross a border into a foreign country and expect it to automatically let you through especially when you immigrate out of a warzone. the same exact thing exists in the united states for example, or australia. there is a reason why the new york times didn't want to publish this video. and no, it's not because there is a global jew conspiracy that conrols all media, it's because it's incredibly one-sided, conveniently leaves out crucial details, is a blatant play on emotions and is in general an awful biased video.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;42608650]I'm surprised that Sobotnik isn't here yet.[/QUOTE] D-d-d-d-damage cccccccccccccontrollllllll bzzzt too much ckkkkk *whirr whirr whirr* slide it
[QUOTE=Melnek;42619225]if anything, israel panders specifically to african refugees and immigrants so the mere mention of 'racism' is just laughable. [/QUOTE] So.. shouting "nigger go home" and "get raped" is how folks laugh over there? That video didn't have a lot of humor in it. Yes, it did feel like a propaganda piece, but damn. Has anyone in Israel given any thought toward cooperating with other nations to handle this immigration issue?
[QUOTE=Crazy;42609359]America is scared of Israel.[/QUOTE] Scared? NONSENSE! AMERICA CAN BEAT ANYTHING, FOR EVERY SANE PERSON THERE IS A PROUD 'MURICAN DUEL WIELDING ASSAULT RIFLES WHILE SUMMONING THE SPIRITS OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS TO DEFEND HIS GUN RIGHTS. US AMERICANS ARE SUPERIOR TO EVERYONE WE IGNORE THE EXISTENCE OF IN THE GREEN LANDS OF "NOT AMERICA". EVEN IF THERE WAS SOMETHING TO FEAR, WE'D BE TOO IGNORANT OF IT TO GIVE A FUCK. ALSO, TO DISPEL THE RUMORS OF WHETHER OR NOT NATIONALISM IS STRONG IN OUR COUNTRY I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THAT WE LACK ANY OF IT, INSTEAD, WE HAVE... [B][I]EXTREME PATRIOTISM[/I][/B] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gFnO6Mw.jpg[/IMG] (^ Picture always relevant)
heavy doses of bias.
The UN just needs to give these African migrants a state via partition, same way they did it to the Arabs of Palestine when European and Russian migrants flocked by the millions. It's only fair.
[QUOTE=tirpider;42621221]So.. shouting "nigger go home" and "get raped" is how folks laugh over there? That video didn't have a lot of humor in it. Yes, it did feel like a propaganda piece, but damn.[/QUOTE] This is like watching a video of the WBC and going "holy shit americans are retarded".
[QUOTE=Melnek;42621526]This is like watching a video of the WBC and going "holy shit americans are retarded".[/QUOTE] Except for the part where I didn't say anything like that. -edit (ah, I get what you mean, ok.) I'm actually finding it troublesome that everyone is caught up in hating the haters but no one has any ideas about how to get these immigrants out of the obviously hostile situation they are in. Sure, they showed up on their own, but does that mean they are just screwed because they made a bad decision? What makes the situation go away without anyone having to resort to hate or defending hate?
Well, for starters the Israeli government has decided that since South Sudan has gained independence and they no longer need protection, Sudanese refugees are going to have to repatriate although not empty handed. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_refugees_in_Israel#Recent_trends]They will be given $1,300 and a plane ticket if they voluntarily resettle, but any who do not repatriate will be deported.[/url] As for other refugees, the situation is tricky because Israel is not a large country and cannot house tens of thousands of unqualified immigrants. Couple this with the fact that there's this retarded but an incredibly strong national need to preserve the 'jewish state', means that the non-jewish refugees are not going to be accepted with open arms and a few mild protests here and there is a surprisingly timid reaction thus far. You also have to take into account what the immigrants themselves think. They marched through hell and got to what is basically a safe, luxurious haven where they can go to work, study and build a life without having to worry about getting decapitated or sprayed with gasoline and burned alive. Who'd want to go back? And this is where the problem mostly lies. They found a better, safer life here and many if not most are not even thinking of going back without doing everything they can to avoid repatriation. This often leads to a less-than-legal resolve.
The offer to repatriate seems fair. But hopeful. You are right that they would want to stay in their new safe haven. I honestly haven't been following the situation in Sudan / South Sudan, but knowing they have only just gained their independence, I can understand why some would be very reluctant to return. It's all so unstable, violence could erupt again at any time and who can live in that? Egypt gunning down Bedouin traffickers doesn't paint Egypt in a pleasant light either. Viewing Israel as a gateway to Europe makes sense, but I am pretty sure no one in the EU has their arms open either though. So Israel is left holding the bag on this one. If they enforce the desire to preserve their Jewish State, then they will have to resort to the asshole-ish tactics that people accuse them of anyway. But if they don't, then they run the risk of becoming a metropolitan state. Possibly even becoming a minority in their own home, because once that door is open, you can never close it. I don't have a solution. It would be easy to say that Israel needs to just lighten up and let them in, but it's very naive to think folks would just accept it. No one actually want's a race war and I get the impression that one would start if a drastic "just let them stay" policy were adopted. Another solution is to go ahead with the fence. Essentially dropping the issue in Egypt's lap. Perhaps a coordinated effort with Egypt to literally ship them back to South Sudan? Trying to avoid putting bullets in them when possible? Maybe even work with the international community to help them maintain their new found independence. (Allies are never a bad thing.) I am seeing this through naive eyes. Just hate the idea of folks getting imprisoned and unnecessarily shit on.
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