[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47640712]there aren't that many people here saying racism doesn't exist, saying "it isn't as bad as it used to be" isn't the same as saying "its over, racism is over"[/QUOTE]
the title of the video is literally "racism is real" not "racism isn't as bad as it used to be" which is still apparently too radical to be agreeable, and on top of that a good number of people seem to have interpreted that as a good opportunity for some hand-wringing about racism against white people like jfc
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also what the hell is a "black sounding name" - I would not remotely think dante was black[/QUOTE]
dante is a legitimately a common name for young black dudes
perhaps people are disagreeing with some of the content of the video, not just the title itself? i mean that seems a lot more reasonable to me than just assuming because someone thinks it isn't as bad as it used to be that they think the entire concept is no longer a problem.
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47640525]what exactly about this video is propagandistic? are you honestly already watching hour and a half lectures about the issue by an academic sociologist and know the difference? are you reading journal articles at home in your free time? what do you need it to look like so it doesn't "feel" wrong? would it make you happier if the sources were cited? would you look at the sources? do you just feel like you're being spoken down to? does Maddox have to front the idea?
this is exactly the problem. people think that just because black people aren't hanging from trees there aren't passive, structural, political, economic forms of racism that incidentally but consistently target black people.[/QUOTE]
Yes, there are systemic issues that are serious and wide spread. You act like I don't think that. You, are acting from misguided assumptions.
To call that the SAME, or WORSE as you did, then the actual lynching of people is ignorant, wrong, childish, and pathetic.
[editline]1st May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47640750]the title of the video is literally "racism is real" not "racism isn't as bad as it used to be" which is still apparently too radical to be agreeable, and on top of that a good number of people seem to have interpreted that as a good opportunity for some hand-wringing about racism against white people like jfc
dante is a legitimately a common name for young black dudes[/QUOTE]
Yes racism is real. Do I have to say that I agree racism is real in preface to every point I might make disagreeing with certain elements in this video to pad my opinion for people like you who are all together too quick to think they know other peoples thoughts and feelings on complicated socio issues like this from one post?
Outrage culture is real.
Wait, isn't the first statistic redundant? "50% less likely" out of two identical options is just... normal?
Like, here's two glasses of water, equally full and tasty. Except one glass is shaped marginally different. You'll just pick one at random. It's a 50% chance you'll pick either.
Or am I seeing this wrong?
Where is the statistics of black crime vs white crime? And black rape vs white rate?
Nice one sided bullshit
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47640525]what exactly about this video is propagandistic? are you honestly already watching hour and a half lectures about the issue by an academic sociologist and know the difference? are you reading journal articles at home in your free time? what do you need it to look like so it doesn't "feel" wrong? would it make you happier if the sources were cited? would you look at the sources? do you just feel like you're being spoken down to? does Maddox have to front the idea?
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Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
I feel this video is biased and using statistics in a way that promotes their political cause. Why? pretty much summed up in A_pigeons post. I am especially skeptical of these statistics since racism is an extremely complex problem. Determining if racism is apparent or not makes the situation being studied very context sensitive, like its easy to call person x a racist when you yourself are unaware of the actual factors that led to x's action.
Let me put it this way. I know racism is alive. And because I do, can sympathize with the message. Now look at this, suppose this same presentation was used on a subject you knew nothing about, could you trust it? even if It had all the sources listed there in 5 font height? Nothing about this presentation goes into how these numbers were attained. For all I know they could have easily been invented on the spot. But you may say ''Bro just read all the damn citations!duh!". I mean sure maybe you can do that, but I ain't got time for that shit, and most people that have nothing to do with sociology studies don't have the time for that either. If you wan't to reel people into your cause you do it by making logical and convincing arguments then you can follow it with statistics, not make a video just nothing but statistics, like the argument needs more meat! If you want to convince people that an issue even exists, the burden of proof falls on you. Don't send people to research what you have already researched. And don't expect people to obey statistics because 99% of the time they are used for pushing agendas, just like how I am right now.
Also who exactly are you informing with a video like this? well 2 kinds of people, the stupid ones that obey everything they hear, and the rest that are already part of the movement. How in anyway would it be helpful preaching to a choir? And the lazy stupid guys are gonna be sleeping in the church pews. Get me? U certainly aren't getting the skeptical uninformed on the bandwagon with this presentation.
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;47640827]Where is the statistics of black crime vs white crime? And black rape vs white rate?
Nice one sided bullshit[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/u8VAduS.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ktZitxV.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47640880][img]http://i.imgur.com/u8VAduS.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
there are way more white people in the united states than black people so the bottom statistic actually serves to be more damning than not
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47640880][img]http://i.imgur.com/u8VAduS.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ktZitxV.png[/img][/QUOTE]
The argument against this is psychological and cultural disadvantages of poverty.
The argument against above statement is racial psychological differences, and social darwinism to some degree. Every human deserves rights, but when it comes to a point of culture and psyche maybe there is a differing factor between race whether it be an advantage or disadvantage.
[editline]1st May 2015[/editline]
Also with the video, don't get me started on "minority advantage" in schooling and customer service.
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47640339]dude it's some random fucking yahoo in the comments, who cares[/QUOTE]
I know. I'm not offended or anything, it means nothing to me besides a small chuckle at stupidity, I was just pointing out that it's racism by definition.
The differences between crime rates and police violence between white Americans and black Americans is caused by economical differences. Blacks in America make up a much higher amount of people below the poverty line and the highest percentage of the homeless as well as those in prison. Where there's poverty there's crime and this creates an endless cycle of abuse as police profile individuals who they see as being statistically more likely to commit crimes, which has probably destroyed as many lives as it has saved. black men aren't necessarily more likely to be shot than white men, but they are more likely to be stopped and harassed by police because of this racial profiling, especially if they are poor, young black men who live in a poor and crime-ridden neighborhood. This has lead to an undercurrent of hatred towards police in black communities who are bullied by police officials who are heavy-handily trying to deal with crime in those areas.
The Cycle of Poverty and Crime:
[url]www.poverties.org/poverty-and-crime.html[/url]
[QUOTE]Poverty and crime have a very "intimate" relationship that has been described by experts from all fields, from sociologists to economists. The UN and the World Bank both rank crime high on the list of obstacles to a country’s development. This means that governments trying to deal with poverty often also have to face the issue of crime as they try to develop their country's economy and society.
Crime prevents businesses from thriving by generating instability and uncertainty (at micro and macroeconomic levels). This is true in markets of all sizes, national, regional, municipal and even neighborhood-al (okay the word doesn’t exist).
That's why having a business in a ghetto is rarely a good idea.
- See more at: [url]http://www.poverties.org/poverty-and-crime.html#sthash.VTDGmZ5v.dpuf[/url][/QUOTE]
In order to stop systemic racism, we need to break the cycle of economic abuse. In 1980, 1.3% of low skilled black men were in prison, by 2000 it had skyrocketed to 25.1%. In the last 30 years just about very decision made by Government has impacted on the working class, where the black community predominately resides.
Food for thought:
[video=youtube;6ERcZgryyiQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ERcZgryyiQ[/video]
Cringey thread to be honest.
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Food for thought:
[video=youtube;6ERcZgryyiQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ERcZgryyiQ[/video][/QUOTE]
I can't bring myself to trust a man named Molyneux.
[QUOTE=momoiro;47642084]I can't bring myself to trust a man named Molyneux.[/QUOTE]
The fact the show is named [I]'True News'[/I] throws off a whole orchestra of alarm bells and a rave party's worth of flashing warning lights.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;47640358]Isn't basing statistics solely on the color of ones skin racist in itself?
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No because there are complex statstical algorithims which can highlight statistical significance?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47640498]So people are being lynched like they were in the 50's? No, no, no.
Racism has been on the decline, it's not going to disappear. Acting like angry comments are the same as ACTUAL fucking lynch mobs is so fucking pathetic though.[/QUOTE]
Obviously it isn't the same as slavery, but lets not pretend that our society has done a ~kickflip 180~. Capitalism didn't "end" when computers and credit fundamently changed how domestic and international commerce functioned. Same for racism - black people aren't getting lynched in the street but an unspoken code of 'society favors whites' continues.
Who's pretending that? Black people have it rough. I don't think disagreeing with certain arguments about that implies I disagree with the larger argument.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47640880][img]http://i.imgur.com/u8VAduS.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ktZitxV.png[/img][/QUOTE]
inflammatory title, bible quoting, and does not consider demographic proportions
clearly a good source of information
[QUOTE=noh_mercy;47640836]Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
I feel this video is biased and using statistics in a way that promotes their political cause. Why? pretty much summed up in A_pigeons post. I am especially skeptical of these statistics since racism is an extremely complex problem. Determining if racism is apparent or not makes the situation being studied very context sensitive, like its easy to call person x a racist when you yourself are unaware of the actual factors that led to x's action.
Let me put it this way. I know racism is alive. And because I do, can sympathize with the message. Now look at this, suppose this same presentation was used on a subject you knew nothing about, could you trust it? even if It had all the sources listed there in 5 font height? Nothing about this presentation goes into how these numbers were attained. For all I know they could have easily been invented on the spot. But you may say ''Bro just read all the damn citations!duh!". I mean sure maybe you can do that, but I ain't got time for that shit, and most people that have nothing to do with sociology studies don't have the time for that either. If you wan't to reel people into your cause you do it by making logical and convincing arguments then you can follow it with statistics, not make a video just nothing but statistics, like the argument needs more meat! If you want to convince people that an issue even exists, the burden of proof falls on you. Don't send people to research what you have already researched. And don't expect people to obey statistics because 99% of the time they are used for pushing agendas, just like how I am right now.
Also who exactly are you informing with a video like this? well 2 kinds of people, the stupid ones that obey everything they hear, and the rest that are already part of the movement. How in anyway would it be helpful preaching to a choir? And the lazy stupid guys are gonna be sleeping in the church pews. Get me? U certainly aren't getting the skeptical uninformed on the bandwagon with this presentation.[/QUOTE]
This is the least useful post ever. You are saying you feel this video is biased based on fucking nothing, since you readily ADMIT TO NOT CHECKING THE GODDAMN SOURCES. Either do the work or don't try to argue with it.
If you do find disparities in the sources and presented statistics, or that the sources are weak, by all means, do argue against the video. The burden of proof is on them yes, BUT THEY PRESENTED THE FUCKING PROOF. It's you who are too lazy. They are arguing different races are treated differently based on a bunch of studies and statistics, if you aren't gonna check their statistics then you cannot make a goddamn informed counter-argument.
whats worse?
2015 and there's still racism
or
2015 and people think that racism doesn't exist
[QUOTE=Croix;47647995]This is the least useful post ever. You are saying you feel this video is biased based on fucking nothing, since you readily ADMIT TO NOT CHECKING THE GODDAMN SOURCES. Either do the work or don't try to argue with it.
If you do find disparities in the sources and presented statistics, or that the sources are weak, by all means, do argue against the video. The burden of proof is on them yes, BUT THEY PRESENTED THE FUCKING PROOF. It's you who are too lazy. They are arguing different races are treated differently based on a bunch of studies and statistics, if you aren't gonna check their statistics then you cannot make a goddamn informed counter-argument.[/QUOTE]
You have completely missed the point of my post.
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