Prominent feminist and journalist Julie Bindel has openly called for putting all men in concentratio - General

How about we put people like Julie Bindel in concentration camps instead? Great idea, I think. We could deal with less cunts in this world anyway.

[QUOTE=bdd458;48669583]How is "throwing all men into a zoo" not denying them all their rights????????????????????????????????[/QUOTE] Dude, seriously? Are you this black/and white in how you view the world? They still get to eat what they want, they still get to work with what they want to, they still get to own and live in their own houses, they still get to socialize, they still get access to TV and entertainment in general (minus porn). They live like humans, but with many restrictions, like people living under a dictatorship. They're oppressed, they have lost certain rights, they're segregated, but they are in no fucking way stripped down of all their rights. Fucking come on, seriously.

[QUOTE=dgg;48669544]I don't understand how you can't understand the difference between [B]NO[/B] human rights and [B]LESS[/B] human rights. Afro Americans had human rights, but they had less than they should have had.[/QUOTE] are you being for real right now? have you lost your goddamn mind, dude?

[QUOTE=dgg;48669595]Dude, seriously? Are you this black/and white in how you view the world? [B]They still get to eat what they want, they still get to work with what they want to, they still get to own and live in their own houses, they still get to socialize, they still get access to TV and entertainment in general (minus porn). They live like humans, but with many restrictions, like people living under a dictatorship.[/B] They're oppressed, they have lost certain rights, they're segregated, but they are in no fucking way stripped down of all their rights. Fucking come on, seriously.[/QUOTE] I honestly doubt that they would have that kind of comfort in a future where heterosexuality and male individuals would be persecuted/prohibited.

[QUOTE=bdd458;48669537]These are the rights stated in the UN's Declaration of Universal Human Rights (1948). [I]Right to Equality Freedom from Discrimination Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security Freedom from Slavery Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law Right to Equality before the Law Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile Right to Fair Public Hearing Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It Right to Marriage and Family Right to Own Property Freedom of Belief and Religion Freedom of Opinion and Information Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections Right to Social Security Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions Right to Rest and Leisure Right to Adequate Living Standard Right to Education Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights[/I] By putting someone in a Concentration Camp, or an Internment Camp you deny them [B]many[/B] of those rights.[/QUOTE] Oh look an edit. Oh look you're saying what I'm saying yet you disagree. They are denied [B]many[/B] of they're rights, that's exactly my point. many =/= all. [QUOTE=SpaceDiggle;48669635]I honestly doubt that they would have that kind of comfort in a future where heterosexuality and male individuals would be persecuted/prohibited.[/QUOTE] They have just that comfort, but only within a confined space. They are segregated into their own society. They still live in a society, but it's restricted. [editline]13th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Boaraes;48669632]are you being for real right now? have you lost your goddamn mind, dude?[/QUOTE] Yes a factual statement that afro americans had [I]some[/I] human rights but not at all, [I]all[/I] human rights must mean that I have lost my mind. Unless you believe that afro americans in the 60's had [I]no[/I] human rights.

[QUOTE=dgg;48669353]There is nothing about death implied or stated in the segregation.[B] It's stripping their rights away, like a prison.[/B][/QUOTE] phew, I thought these feminists were crazy.

look, just the mere fact that you're defending this shit by understating how fucking bad it would be for men to be segregated into concentration camps by saying "well, at least they'll have [I]some[/I] rights! they won't be absolved of all rights! guys, you're being unreasonable!" the sole instance of a man being placed into a cage is when he is absolved of his rights. this exactly what this woman is calling for. this isn't even feminism. to say that this is even remotely in line with feminist theory is an insult to the decades of academia. this is fascism.

you're fucking delusional if you don't think "bring thrown in a zoo", as you so kindly put it, is not a denial of all 30 of those.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;48669689]look, just the mere fact that you're defending this shit by understating how fucking bad it would be for men to be segregated into concentration camps by saying "well, at least they'll have [I]some[/I] rights! they won't be absolved of all rights! guys, you're being unreasonable!" the sole instance of a man being placed into a cage is when he is absolved of his rights.[/QUOTE] I'm not fucking defending it at all. Jesus christ, did you even read [I]anything[/I] I wrote or did you just jump the gun at the first thing you disliked about what I said?

[QUOTE=Boaraes;48669689]this exactly what this woman is calling for. this isn't even feminism. to say that this is even remotely in line with feminist theory is an insult to the decades of academia. this is fascism.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately it is feminism. Huge segments of the movement have turned towards straight up man-hating and female supremacy. This evolution in part being caused by the sexist idea of women being the oppressed and men being the oppressor. Its natural to think "fuck the oppressor".

[QUOTE=Jammymanrock;48669501]Fyi she's very divisive among feminists. [B]She's also pretty transphobic.[/B][/QUOTE] Shit there's no escape

[QUOTE=bdd458;48669704]you're fucking delusional if you don't think "bring thrown in a zoo", as you so kindly put it, is not a denial of all 30 of those.[/QUOTE] [sp]Right to Equality Freedom from Discrimination[/sp] Right to Life, [sp]Liberty[/sp], Personal Security Freedom from Slavery [sp]Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment[/sp] Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law [sp]Right to Equality before the Law Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile Right to Fair Public Hearing Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It[/sp] Right to Marriage and Family Right to Own Property Freedom of Belief and Religion Freedom of Opinion and Information [sp]Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections Right to Social Security[/sp] Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions Right to Rest and Leisure Right to Adequate Living Standard Right to Education [sp]Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights[/sp] Some of the ones that are stripped away would technically exists but with restrictions, which of course wouldn't be good enough to say that the right is fulfilled, but they still sort of have it. Like the right to participate in the cultural life of community, it's just that it's restricted to their segregated community, so in the end, not really fulfilled, but exists in some form.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48668925]vocal minority guys :downs:[/QUOTE] It's a minority and she's being really damn vocal If that opinion was the majority I'd be in a concentration camp right now, good thing it isn't and I'm at home instead.

[QUOTE=dgg;48669744][sp]Right to Equality Freedom from Discrimination[/sp] Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security Freedom from Slavery [sp]Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment[/sp] Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law [sp]Right to Equality before the Law Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile Right to Fair Public Hearing Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It[/sp] Right to Marriage and Family Right to Own Property Freedom of Belief and Religion Freedom of Opinion and Information [sp]Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections Right to Social Security[/sp] Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions Right to Rest and Leisure Right to Adequate Living Standard Right to Education [sp]Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights[/sp] Some of the ones that are stripped away would technically exists but with restrictions, which of course wouldn't be good enough to say that the right is fulfilled, but they still sort of have it. Like the right to participate in the cultural life of community, it's just that it's restricted to their segregated community, so in the end, not really fulfilled, but exists in some form.[/QUOTE] The main problem with this is that she intends one way or another, to eradicate all male individuals, one way or another. Herding all dudes in these ''prisons'' is basically just a nice way of saying: ''I want to see all of you dead, but i'm not gonna directly kill you, i'm just gonna make sure you never reproduce, thus eliminating your sex and dooming humanity'' Having her want this kind of shit is an obvious sign that she doesn't really care too much about human rights, so I would be willing to bet that the imprisoned in this kind of scenario would have the kind of rights jews ( among other ethnicities, albeit to a smaller extent ) had in Nazi Germany.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48669727]Unfortunately it is feminism. Huge segments of the movement have turned towards straight up man-hating and female supremacy. This evolution in part being caused by the sexist idea of women being the oppressed and men being the oppressor. Its natural to think "fuck the oppressor".[/QUOTE] it's important to remember that feminism is an umbrella term that houses many different ideologies. however different these ideologies are from one another (in practice, in perspectives, etc.) the ultimate goal is still the [U]achievement of equality[/U]. any form of feminism that branches away from this ultimate goal is an outlier.

Maybe in the future men will actually come from mars because women sent us away after being so damn oppressed.

[QUOTE=SpaceDiggle;48669800]The main problem with this is that she intends one way or another, to eradicate all male individuals, one way or another. Herding all dudes in these ''prisons'' is basically just a nice way of saying: ''I want to see all of you dead, but i'm not gonna directly kill you, i'm just gonna make sure you never reproduce, thus eliminating your sex and dooming humanity'' Having her want this kind of shit is an obvious sign that she doesn't really care too much about human rights, so I would be willing to bet that the imprisoned in this kind of scenario would have the kind of rights jews ( among other ethnicities, albeit to a smaller extent ) had in Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE] Her idea is that these people can be taken out like books at a library. That means that having sex with them is not at all out of the question, and whatever they do when they're picked out is entirely up to what whoever picked them out thinks. She wants to give all the power to females, oppressing all heterosexual males and letting them live in their own society. She does not want them dead, but clearly, she does hate men and don't care about them, but that's still different than wishing their deaths. She wants control over men, to only ever see them when women want them seen. I don't think anyone believes that she cares about human rights at all. That's one of the most prominent problems with extreme-feminism, they just want to turn the power around, "give them a taste of their own medicine" and treat them as badly as they believe they treat them now. It's about revenge.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;48669814]it's important to remember that feminism is an umbrella term that houses many different ideologies.[/QUOTE] Agreed. Which is why the "no true feminist' argument is dumb. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womyn-born_womyn[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_sex_wars[/url] People seem to forget that people like Andrea Dworkin were and still are feminist icons.

The feminist party here in Sweden wants to do some fucked up shit too, they want to send all men to "education camps" where they teach us vile men how to be more environmental or something. As if women do not pollute. :v: Edit: Apparently they said a while back that they will change it and "rephrase" it. But still sounds like they meant what they said the first time around.

[QUOTE=dgg;48669744][sp]Right to Equality Freedom from Discrimination[/sp] Right to Life, [sp]Liberty[/sp], Personal Security Freedom from Slavery [sp]Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment[/sp] Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law [sp]Right to Equality before the Law Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile Right to Fair Public Hearing Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It[/sp] Right to Marriage and Family Right to Own Property Freedom of Belief and Religion Freedom of Opinion and Information [sp]Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections Right to Social Security[/sp] Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions Right to Rest and Leisure Right to Adequate Living Standard Right to Education [sp]Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights[/sp] Some of the ones that are stripped away would technically exists but with restrictions, which of course wouldn't be good enough to say that the right is fulfilled, but they still sort of have it. Like the right to participate in the cultural life of community, it's just that it's restricted to their segregated community, so in the end, not really fulfilled, but exists in some form.[/QUOTE] lmao lets go over the ones you did not spoiler. [B]Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security[/B]: This is self explanatory, being herded into a camp is denying you your liberty and ability to actually live life. Sure you may be "living" but that's not what is meant; what is meant that you are able to live freely. Not to mention it's taking away your liberty and personal security. [B]Freedom from Slavery[/B]: Same deal, you are essentially enslaved. Not free to do what you want. [B]Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law[/B]: You're put into a camp because in the eyes of the law you're [I]not[/I] a real person. In fact, you even worded it as "Zoo". Implying that they are but caged fucking animals. [B]Right to Marriage and Family[/B]: Let's assume for a second that all these men are heterosexual, who exactly are they going to marry in this case? And even if some are homosexual, do you really think that in "A zoo" they'd be allowed to marry? And let's get it clear now, families would be split up. When put into camps like that, generally speaking families get broken up. [B]Right to Own Property[/B]: What property exactly would be allowed in such a camp? The clothes on your back? I doubt that there would be computers and cell phones; or for another definition of property LAND. [B]Freedom of Belief and Religion[/B]: yeah ok like an oppresive regime placing an entire demographic in a camp is going to let them believe what they want and worship what they want. Just like how the Jews were allowed to practice Judiasm in the various internment and death camps the Nazis set up :rolleyes:. [B]Freedom of Opinion and Information[/B]: See above and education. [B]Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions[/B]: What desirable work exactly would be in a camp exactly? And yeah right they'd let them into a labor union, having the ability to act as one. [B]Right to Rest and Leisure[/B]: It's a fucking camp designed to seperate them from the rest of the population, there would not be "rest and leisure". [B]Right to Adequate Living Standard[/B]: It would not be adequate, full stop. The "Separate but Equal" shit was said during the Civil Rights era in the US, and was obviously BS. [B]Right to Education[/B]: What kind of education are we talking here? An actual education where they're free to learn what they want? Of course not, this is an oppresive regime placing an entire demographic in camps just for being that demographic. Any education received there, if any, would be in favor of the oppresive regime and not a "Real" education. They would all be denied, full stop.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48669727]Unfortunately it is feminism. Huge segments of the movement have turned towards straight up man-hating and female supremacy. [/QUOTE] Source? [editline]12th September 2015[/editline] Like when was the Great Feminist Association Meeting of 2014 that decided this or are you just saying that because you read something on tumblr that made you sad

[QUOTE=dgg;48669324]Segregating heterosexual men into a prison-like facility is not the fucking same, at all, as a concentration camp. This is a super biased anti-extremist way of putting it forth and is just as extremist and dumb as this persons views. He's trying to make her sound worse than she is by acting the exact same way. A concentration camp is a place where people are forced into slavery with no human-rights at all, fed minimally and treated like dog shit. They're literally placed into a place to work until they die. That's a concentration camp. Throwing all men into a zoo, excluding them from society with the exception of when somebody comes to pick them up to have them in their lives at their own choosing, for however long they would wish and then put back, is not a concentration camp. They still eat and work like normal, but in a society consisting only of heterosexual males. They're oppressed and stripped of certain human rights, but that's not being sentenced to death by slavery in a confined space. This is some clickbaity biased fucking nutwack shit said by somebody that clearly wants to rile people up against feminism as a whole. You're not just against extreme feminism if you purposfully paint somebody as a greater evil than they are, try to prove your points by adding shitty fucking funny clips inbetween your arguments to make a fucking fool out of the person and using the same extremist type bullshit language and arguments to speak against the person. Watching this video makes me angry at the person for misleading people and trying to sound like he's standing up to extreme feminism when he's really just trying to make somebody seem more extreme than they are and rile up views with minimal effort. Trying to read the interview with Julie Bindel I'm obviously just as damn angry for these completely nutsack arguments and views, and she's clearly a manhater, but she does not wish for the death of men. She wishes for the death of the "male supremacy" and "patriarchy", and she wants the concept of genders to stop existing, but she does not want to see heterosexual men dead. [B]You don't fight fire with fire.[/B][/QUOTE] Are you seriously supporting stripping half the Earth from human rights? It's hard to paint someone a greater evil than they are when they suggest to turn males into pets.

[QUOTE=dgg;48669441]Because they still have human rights, they still work, live and eat like normal human beings, but they are segregated from all females and non-heterosexual males unless granted permission by them. They have [B]less[/B] human rights, they are treated in in-humane ways, but they still have human rights, but they have less. They live life within a closed society, they still provide themselves as usual, they still work and whatnot, but with less people.[/QUOTE] You're defending segregation for an entire gender just because of how they were born and the fact they are heterosexuals and treating them like a pack of animals who should be contained and taken out only for others amusement. "Oh don't worry, as long as we feed them and keep them busy it's humane!" [I]Do you listen to yourself? edit: advocate was the wrong word to use.[/I]

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;48670078]Are you seriously supporting stripping half the Earth from human rights? It's hard to paint someone a greater evil than they are when they suggest to turn males into pets.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LtKyle2;48670112]You're defending segregation for an entire gender just because of how they were born and the fact they are heterosexuals and treating them like a pack of animals who should be contained and taken out only for others amusement. "Oh don't worry, as long as we feed them and keep them busy it's humane!" [I]Do you listen to yourself? edit: advocate was the wrong word to use.[/I][/QUOTE] I'm not defending her at all, I don't agree with a single thing she's said. Putting down definitions is not agreeing with something. Being against putting words into peoples mouths does not make me agree with them. Calling people out for making false claims does not mean I support what they were making claims against. You guys are incredible. [QUOTE=bdd458;48669933]lmao lets go over the ones you did not spoiler. [B]Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security[/B]: This is self explanatory, being herded into a camp is denying you your liberty and ability to actually live life. Sure you may be "living" but that's not what is meant; what is meant that you are able to live freely. Not to mention it's taking away your liberty and personal security.[/QUOTE] Liberty is spoilered. They have right to life within the restrictions given. They have all personal security, hell, the fact that she wanted guards in there to stop them from fighting means they're living in a much more secure society than the women in this case. [QUOTE=bdd458;48669933][B]Freedom from Slavery[/B]: Same deal, you are essentially enslaved. Not free to do what you want.[/QUOTE] They are not slaves at all, they are put into a restricted area, like their own little country, and do whatever they want that isn't accessing porn or utilizing violence. [QUOTE=bdd458;48669933][B]Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law[/B]: You're put into a camp because in the eyes of the law you're [I]not[/I] a real person. In fact, you even worded it as "Zoo". Implying that they are but caged fucking animals.[/QUOTE] You really like grasping at that one example I gave, [I]like[/I] a zoo, not actually a zoo. You're trying to twist and turn more shit out of it than I ever said. I also said [I]like[/I] a prison but I guess that doesn't give you enough to work on. Even [I]dictatorship[/I]. They are real people, they are even recognized as male people with a heterosexual attraction. It's exactly because they are recognized as people, of the gender male and sexuality heterosexual that they are being segregated. They are not being segregated because they aren't recognised as people, they are being segregated becuase they are recognised as a group people they don't want to freely walk around in society, much like a criminal. Criminals are recognized as people, but are stripped of certain rights and segregated from society because they meet a certain criteria stated in the law, this would be just like that, being a heterosexual men would have their own paragraph in the law. [QUOTE=bdd458;48669933][B]Right to Marriage and Family[/B]: Let's assume for a second that all these men are heterosexual, who exactly are they going to marry in this case? And even if some are homosexual, do you really think that in "A zoo" they'd be allowed to marry? And let's get it clear now, families would be split up. When put into camps like that, generally speaking families get broken up.[/QUOTE] They would marry the women. Women exists and the women can pick them up, the men can still live in normal society as long as the women allow it, it would work on an individual basis and only the men picked out by the women would go outside the segregated area. Generally speaking families that exists in our society would break up if they were suddenly put into this system, but when that's just how it is and the children grow up with it being that way it would be completely natural. You're assuming a lot of shit out of nowhere and even missing vital points like women actually being able to bring them back with them in society, but it would all be in the power of the women. [QUOTE=bdd458;48669933][B]Right to Own Property[/B]: What property exactly would be allowed in such a camp? The clothes on your back? I doubt that there would be computers and cell phones; or for another definition of property LAND.[/QUOTE] Camp? You think you can confine millions or even billions of people in camps? They would essentially have small countries, at the very least cities. We're talking about around half of the global population here, not a minority. [QUOTE=bdd458;48669933][B]Freedom of Belief and Religion[/B]: yeah ok like an oppresive regime placing an entire demographic in a camp is going to let them believe what they want and worship what they want. Just like how the Jews were allowed to practice Judiasm in the various internment and death camps the Nazis set up :rolleyes:.[/QUOTE] Now you're doing what I did in the start which is completely wrong. This is not nazi levels of shit. Do you think they would be forced to believe in one given religion or whatever? Religion has [I]nothing[/I] to do with being a male nor heterosexual, they couldn't give a flying shit if they believed in the flying spaghetti monster or God or whatever the fuck. There was no such restriction even hinted at in what she said, nor does a concentration camp have anything to do with that either. Jews weren't denied the right to believe in judaism or god, they could believe in that shit all they wanted. They were put into the camps to begin with because they had that belief. They wanted them dead because they were jews, they were denying them life, not religion or belief itself. [QUOTE=bdd458;48669933][B]Freedom of Opinion and Information[/B]: See above and education.[/QUOTE] There is nothing about being segregated that even hints at policing opinions and information. You could say that the denied access to porn is in a way denying information, but not really, it's denying entertainment, you don't need porn to do sex education. They can have all the opinions and information they fucking want, they're segregated, what the fuck ever, they're being oppressed not muted. [QUOTE=bdd458;48669933][B]Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions[/B]: What desirable work exactly would be in a camp exactly? And yeah right they'd let them into a labor union, having the ability to act as one.[/QUOTE] They can form all the unions they want, they still need to function as a society of heterosexual men, they still need to live, produce food, keep themselves entertained and whatnot. They would do pretty much the same kind of jobs they would do now, but it would be all-male and confined to whatever is needed in their society. [QUOTE=bdd458;48669933][B]Right to Rest and Leisure[/B]: It's a fucking camp designed to seperate them from the rest of the population, there would not be "rest and leisure".[/QUOTE] Sit down, relax, watch tv, play football, whatever, they can do all that. You again have this wrong view that they're put into an actual concentration camp (she never used that word) and not a segregated male-only society. [QUOTE=bdd458;48669933][B]Right to Adequate Living Standard[/B]: It would not be adequate, full stop. The "Separate but Equal" shit was said during the Civil Rights era in the US, and was obviously BS. [/QUOTE] They have access to all the living standard they could ever need. Food, home, job, economic stability, everything. They're confined to a space, they still live like they would today. [QUOTE=bdd458;48669933][B]Right to Education[/B]: What kind of education are we talking here? An actual education where they're free to learn what they want? Of course not, this is an oppresive regime placing an entire demographic in camps just for being that demographic. Any education received there, if any, would be in favor of the oppresive regime and not a "Real" education.[/QUOTE] Free to learn what they want? I've never had that right in elementary or middle school, in higher education I could choose which field (and so would they here) of study I wanted in, but now what I would learn in it. They would have the exact same education as they had before, it would just be different because history would be different so the segregation would be included in the history lessons and during lessons about society it would obviously have to adapt to how society works then.

Why are you bothering to go to these lengths to argue this like it's helping you or your point? Your whole objection began over "concentration camps" being "put into her mouth" when what she advocates is not that different.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48670228]Why are you bothering to go to these lengths to argue this like it's helping you or your point? Your whole objection began over "concentration camps" being "put into her mouth" when what she advocates is not that different.[/QUOTE] My objection was my misunderstanding that concentration camps didn't exists in more lenient ways than what germany used in World War 2. I corrected myself on that many many posts ago. Because people are making nonfactual claims and interpreting her words as something even worse than what she's claimed. The discussion now has nothing to do with what she's said, but what the effect of what she said would be like, where bdd458 here is making it into a world war 2 level concentration camp for men, instead of just a segregated society for men. Everything she's said is awful as I have stated since the very first post and she deserves criticism by all means, but we should criticize her for what she actually said, not what she's been sensationalized into saying. Not some fantasy made up shit that just takes it all to the worst possible scenario that wasn't even slightly hinted at in what she said. If she ever broadens the statement and goes into detail how it would all pan out and it turns out to be holocaust-levels of concentration camps, sure, then by all means, but then she's actually said it, she's personally shared that idea.

[QUOTE=dgg;48670283]My objection was my misunderstanding that concentration camps didn't exists in more lenient ways than what germany used in World War 2. I corrected myself on that many many posts ago. Because people are making nonfactual claims and interpreting her words as something even worse than what she's claimed. The discussion now has nothing to do with what she's said, but what the effect of what she said would be like, where bdd458 here is making it into a world war 2 level concentration camp for men, instead of just a segregated society for men. Everything she's said is awful as I have stated since the very first post and she deserves criticism by all means, but we should criticize her for what she actually said, not what she's been sensationalized into saying. Not some fantasy made up shit that just takes it all to the worst possible scenario that wasn't even slightly hinted at in what she said. If she ever broadens the statement and goes into detail how it would all pan out and it turns out to be holocaust-levels of concentration camps, sure, then by all means, but then she's actually said it, she's personally shared that idea.[/QUOTE] Putting half the population in fucking prison camps and denying them their human rights is not 'segregating society', [b]it's putting half the population in fucking prison camps and denying them their human rights[/b]. Human rights are inalienable rights given to every individual on this planet, you don't get to pick and choose what human rights to give people, you have all human rights or none of them as they are inalienable rights by definition. Picking and choosing what human rights to give people is a breach of human rights in of itself. It's a doctrine, not a list of guidelines. They are laws, not a grocery shopping list. This is right about the point you need to step back and realize why people are disagreeing with you, then realize why you were wrong and slowly back away. You were already wrong right at the beginning when you said that it was factually inaccurate comparing the treatment of human beings as suggested by Julie Bindel as synonymous with concentration camps, now you're just digging yourself a bigger hole by backpedaling and continuing to argue what you were already wrong about to begin with.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48669834]Agreed. Which is why the "no true feminist' argument is dumb. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womyn-born_womyn[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_sex_wars[/url] People seem to forget that people like Andrea Dworkin were and still are feminist icons.[/QUOTE] She's an icon to radical feminism, which is pretty damn different from regular feminism.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48669727]Unfortunately it is feminism. Huge segments of the movement have turned towards straight up man-hating and female supremacy. This evolution in part being caused by the sexist idea of women being the oppressed and men being the oppressor. Its natural to think "fuck the oppressor".[/QUOTE] Weird, I always thought gaters were always screaming about how guilt by association is bullshit. Guess that changes once somebody involved in politics you dislike, tho. On a more related note, most feminists hate and shun TERFs because, well because they're TERFS ffs.

dude dgg why are you shitting up this entire thread just arguing semantics so what if "concentration camps" wasn't completely correct. nobody cares about that