Prominent feminist and journalist Julie Bindel has openly called for putting all men in concentratio - General

[QUOTE=Big Bang;48675289]I don't care if she wants to put all men in a zoo or all men in a concentration camp, it's still fucking bonkers and stupid. I mean does this semantics shit really matter, when no normal person would consider either of those statements to be sane? what are you trying to do here? why do you care about defending the ramblings of this woman? what are you trying to attain?[/QUOTE] I'm against extremism from all angles. Making up shit to demonize a person beyond what they have said is childish, immature and irresponsible. You're making up shit to make a person seem even worse, being against extremism but at the same time being against them in an extreme way by hating them for things they never said but that you yourself made up and assumed is being just as shitty. It matters a lot because there is a huge line between someone that imprisons and someone that kills. The one wants to control, the other wants to eradicate, those are huge fucking differences of evil. In the end, she is evil either way, but the one is how evil she is and the other is a fictional man-murdering demon that she isn't. Putting words into peoples mouths is not a good way to criticizing them, you're just being an asshole then.

[QUOTE=dgg;48675325]I'm against extremism from all angles. Making up shit to demonize a person beyond what they have said is childish, immature and irresponsible. [/QUOTE] Christ dude, we get it. You phrased what you were trying to say really poorly for four pages. [I]Don't do it for another 10.[/I]

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;48675347]Christ dude, we get it. You phrased what you were trying to say really poorly for four pages. [I]Don't do it for another 10.[/I][/QUOTE] If he got it he wouldn't have asked. He's the one asking, I'm answering his question, if people keep asking me I will keep answering them.

ok you're pretty fucking bonkers yourself lol.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;48675360]ok you're pretty fucking bonkers yourself lol.[/QUOTE] Yes, treating people equally rather than putting words into their mouths because I disagree with them is a bonkers philosophical approach to life. I guess we should only treat people equally and respectfully when we agree with them.

[QUOTE=dgg;48669441]Because they still have human rights, they still work, live and eat like normal human beings, but they are segregated from all females and non-heterosexual males unless granted permission by them. They have [B]less[/B] human rights, they are treated in in-humane ways, but they still have human rights, but they have less. They live life within a closed society, they still provide themselves as usual, they still work and whatnot, but with less people.[/QUOTE] There is no point to argue semantics on this type of shit sure she's not asking for a literal concentration camp and the dude is a bit of a fuckwad for suggesting so, but you can't honestly be defending her proposal

[QUOTE=cdr248;48675433]There is no point to argue semantics on this type of shit sure she's not asking for a literal concentration camp and the dude is a bit of a fuckwad for suggesting so, but you can't honestly be defending her proposal[/QUOTE] I have [B]never[/B] defended her. Also it's not a proposal, it's what she wishes, her dream, what she would like to see happen when her feminism has triumphed. Literally never, there has been nowhere in any of my posts where I have been defending, approving or advocating her views. I have been against how her views have been portrayed because they have been hyperboled and sensationalized. I have not been defending her actual views. Here is the question and full answer she made: [quote][B]Will heterosexuality survive women’s liberation?[/B] It won’t, not unless men get their act together, have their power taken from them and behave themselves. I mean, I would actually put them all in some kind of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans. I would give them a choice of vehicles to drive around with, give them no porn, they wouldn’t be able to fight – we would have wardens, of course! Women who want to see their sons or male loved ones would be able to go and visit, or take them out like a library book, and then bring them back. I hope heterosexuality doesn’t survive, actually. I would like to see a truce on heterosexuality. I would like an amnesty on heterosexuality until we have sorted ourselves out. Because under patriarchy it’s shit. And I am sick of hearing from individual women that their men are all right. Those men have been shored up by the advantages of patriarchy and they are complacent, they are not stopping other men from being shit. I would love to see a women’s liberation that results in women turning away from men and saying: “when you come back as human beings, then we might look again.” [/quote] "I would" in a context where women's liberation has been fulfilled, in her views. This is a dream and hope, not a proposal, not something she is actively seeking to set in motion today, right now, but her dream. Much like how people wish for peace in all of the world and no wars. It's fucking bonkers, I can't side with her views at all, it is promoting man-hate, but it is not the same as wishing the death of men. She has not specifically said concentration camp. Those are words being put into her mouth.

dgg... A+ mental gymnastics bro.

[QUOTE=dgg;48675458]I have [B]never[/B] defended her. Also it's not a proposal, it's what she wishes, her dream, what she would like to see happen when her feminism has triumphed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=dgg;48675458]I have been against how her views have been portrayed because they have been hyperboled and sensationalized.[/QUOTE] I see nothing wrong with sensationalizing and mocking the person that wants to throw half the human race into special camps.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48675602]I see nothing wrong with sensationalizing and mocking the person that wants to throw half the human race into special camps.[/QUOTE] Well that's exactly the problem, you're stooping down to her level, discriminating her and willingly mocking her for more than what she's said, you're ok with fabricating lies you can attack her for. Just don't pretend to be a respectful person that believes in human- and gender equality and freedom of speech if you believe that's ok. (I don't know what you consider yourself as, but you already hyperboled me in the same way in this thread, so you know) I personally believe in Voltaire: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

But bringing Voltaire into a discussion NOT about censorship but instead about "stooping" is a mixing of messages and doesn't at all cover the idea that bad ideas or opinions can be mocked. You see, she never mocked anyone. She defined them as villainous and belonging in camps. That's not "stopping" when you mock that. [editline]13th September 2015[/editline] Like I'll never take away her right or ability to say those things. But I will mock her. They are ENTIRELY different concepts you have conflated

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48675792]But bringing Voltaire into a discussion NOT about censorship but instead about "stooping" is a mixing of messages and doesn't at all cover the idea that bad ideas or opinions can be mocked. You see, she never mocked anyone. She defined them as villainous and belonging in camps. That's not "stopping" when you mock that. [editline]13th September 2015[/editline] Like I'll never take away her right or ability to say those things. But I will mock her. They are ENTIRELY different concepts you have conflated[/QUOTE] It's completely fine to mock her [B]for what she's said[/B]. Jeez, how many times do I have to repeat myself? It even says right in the post you're replying to. I'm against mocking her for things [B]she didn't say[/B], putting words in her mouth. This is stooping down to her level and trying to attack her based on more than just what she said, but also shit people have made up (the guy in the video) to attack her. She's being mocked for discrimination through discrimination, she's not been taken for the words she's said, she's being taken for things people are saying she said, that she didn't say.

[QUOTE=Banned?;48672430]I've seen people argue for some insane stuff on Facepunch but I think dgg has surpassed any prior expectations I used to have.[/QUOTE] We had one person post here with a manifesto half the length of War and Peace. But from the first 10 seconds of reading this thread it seems like it's pretty close toss up.

That was painful to read.

[QUOTE=Thlis;48675883]We had one person post here with a manifesto half the length of War and Peace. But from the first 10 seconds of reading this thread it seems like it's pretty close toss up.[/QUOTE]Talking about the crazy guy who wanted to murder women and men who had more sex then him and believed women were legitimately like some kind of alien or some shit? Or the guy just yesterday who has been trying really damn hard to defend pedophilia? Or is there another crazy I need to laugh at?

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48676818]Talking about the crazy guy who wanted to murder women and men who had more sex then him and believed women were legitimately like some kind of alien or some shit? Or the guy just yesterday who has been trying really damn hard to defend pedophilia? Or is there another crazy I need to laugh at?[/QUOTE] The former, the one that wanted his therapist to get him the head of a feminist. Really if you're posting here you are probably nuts.

what the fuck happened here, half this thread is just ddg. Anyways, what the hell too.

Well I guess that confirms it Spending a decade on FP causes acute insanity

[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;48677442]Well I guess that confirms it Spending a decade on FP causes acute insanity[/QUOTE] help, i dont have much time

aww why did this guy have to be with infowars? i was considering watching some of his other videos :(

To be entirely honest though I think that 'prominent' might be a bit of an overstatement. As I understand it like the vast majority of university campuses she tries to speak at end with the event being canceled because local progressive/LGBT student groups picket and generally protest her being there because she's a TERF. Y'know, I would say that on some level it must feel shit to know that just about everyone else in your movement wants you gone like a bad rash, but... I just can't bring myself to sympathize with TERFs, lol. I mean shit even gamergaters are more accepting of transpeople and they're supposed to be the "faux-progressives" lol. [quote]I would actually put them all in some kind of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans. I would give them a choice of vehicles to drive around with, give them no porn, they wouldn’t be able to fight – we would have wardens, of course! Women who want to see their sons or male loved ones would be able to go and visit, or take them out like a library book, and then bring them back.[/quote] Still, it must be pretty fucking sad to have a view of the world that's not far off from a fucking children's cartoon. I mean quadbikes, seriously? It's like that fairly odd parents episode where all the men and women got separated and the men's side was all MONSTER TRUCKS SPORTS BAD HYGIENE YEAAAHHHHH, hahahaha. [editline]13th September 2015[/editline] It would be like if someone made an interview with KingOfPol and was like "Prominent gamergater denies holocaust!" Even though everyone involved fucking hates his guts and doesn't want him around anyways.

[QUOTE=axemunger;48673808]At the risk of derailing this thread, did anyone actually read the article? Because I'm pretty sure the guy in the video didn't, he seems like he's as much of a feminist hater as Bindel is a man hater. He makes it sound like she's actively trying to make these concentration camps which is flatout wrong. Although What she says about dismantling gender & heterosexuality dying seemed like an interesting idea (well except for the part were she blames all the bad things on men) it might be interesting to see what would happen if society got rid of defined sexuality & gender, instead just the concept to be more fluid than it is now. So instead of labeling people as one sexuality or another & trying to force themselves or other people to stick to those labels, they could just let their sexuality do whatever it wants.[/QUOTE] Not gonna research the topic extensively because I am not DGG and have better things to do then DGG. But I do wanna say. If somebody said imagine how great it would be if we just got all dem kikes and niggers up in a nice camp and just left them there. Things would be so much better! It sure would be interesting to see how society would devolop without zionists brainwashing our kids and niggers ruining the genepool! Imagine the effects on society! Would you get the image that this person is a tolerant person? You can't be arrested for thought (usually) crime. But I'll be damned if I cannot call them a fucking lunatic. To sum it up you don't need to actually make "Male free zones" to be an asshole. Not sure what you really expect from the video maker. Do you want him to dance his way around the topic and say "BUT SHE ISN'T CURRENTLY MAKING A BID FOR FUHRER SO HER PLANS WON'T BECOME A REALITY! Seems to me like picking over semantics over his specific wording that does indeed make it slightly sound that she is actually doing it (debatable IMO) is no different from what DGG is doing. It would be interesting too poll the amount of people watching this and see how many watch the video and would answer to the question: Is this woman actively setting up "Male free zones" by actively plotting a way to contain them all and moving to make those measures a reality? I have a feeling that less then 20% would say yes to that. Either way there is seriously no point in over analyzing a piece of edutainment. This is the 21st century everything is edgier and more sensationalized. People strive to get meanings and emotions across. Imagine that youtube video except now with DGG's explanation of the differences between concentration camps and "Male free zones".