• Why are feminists fat and ugly?
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[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48373813]It's the only modern one specifically pertaining to the equality of women, hence why being pro-women's rights equals being feminist. Being fiscally conservative doesn't equal being a Nazi because there are far more then just Nazis who are fiscally conservative. [/QUOTE] Isn't it just arguing semantics at that point? Besides, I don't know if you mean specifically or solely. Because it doesn't seem like it's the only one that specifically supports women's rights and it doesn't seem like it's solely devoted to that either. The literal definition of feminist would be someone who supports feminism, that's it.
I know this is cliche, but damn is that comment section (and channel) just cancerous. I am completely okay with having a logical discussion about the negative sides of feminism (or radical feminism) ideologies, but this kind of behavior is just as bad as they think the spooky internet feminists are.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;48370583]idk who you talk to but every feminist I've spoken to (including those classified by you guys as radical) are very down to earth people and understandable, most don't even expect you to agree with them just to hear them out so like you must be either in the wrong crowd or you deliberately stir up the hive[/QUOTE] I don't even care if they're radical, my issue with them is that their opinions are horrible, they look horrible and they have horrible personalities. Most "down to Earth feminists" that I've met are really the same as the radical ones, except they're quiet. Also feminists not expecting you to agree with them? Please, [b]that[/b] is most definitely a minority.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48374737]their opinions are horrible[/QUOTE] Women should be paid equally in the workplace. There is divisiveness in the law that favors sexes unequally in some cases. Women should not be treated as objects or as a point for advertising something. ~horrible~
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48374751]Women should be paid equally in the workplace. There is divisiveness in the law that favors sexes unequally in some cases. Women should not be treated as objects or as a point for advertising something. ~horrible~[/QUOTE] they don't talk to me therefore i hate them all
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48374737]I don't even care if they're radical, my issue with them is that their opinions are horrible, they look horrible and they have horrible personalities.[/QUOTE] This from the person who thinks that drug users should be forced to die from withdrawal and that all US citizens being allowed to vote is bad, among other things.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48374737]I don't even care if they're radical, my issue with them is that their opinions are horrible, they look horrible and they have horrible personalities. Most "down to Earth feminists" that I've met are really the same as the radical ones, except they're quiet. Also feminists not expecting you to agree with them? Please, [b]that[/b] is most definitely a minority.[/QUOTE] Literally as someone who participates in running pro feminism concerts and supporting female fronted acts and all that jazz I can tell you that you are wrong on all accounts here. Many feminists very much care about their personal appearance, mostly because its still ingrained in people that outer attractiveness = inner happiness. Also people just like to look good and to stay healthy. Personality wise, they are some of the most genuinely nice people I have ever met, taking in total strangers and not prejudging people. For the whole feminists not expecting you to agree with them part, even if you disagree with them, if you do not make the entire interaction with them about how you are a men's rights activist and if you are not attacking their viewpoints they will accept you and be friendly, sounds familiar? Literally any other human being who holds opinions on something. You might not agree with their positions on things, but accepting attacking peoples looks because you disagree with them is totally the wrong way to argue your point. Even in attacking their physical appearance, videos like this are just showing that those behind it have never actually met feminists because many are very physically attractive, and there are also those who are not that physically attractive but even if they were all ugly, hairy, fat women, it should not matter at all because not everyone in the world is a super modal.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48374737]I don't even care if they're radical, my issue with them is that their opinions are horrible, t[B]hey look horrible and they have horrible personalities.[/B] Most "down to Earth feminists" that I've met are really the same as the radical ones, except they're quiet. Also feminists not expecting you to agree with them? Please, [b]that[/b] is most definitely a minority.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Starlight 456;48369344]Attacking someone personally rather then their arguments is a pretty clear sign that you can't formulate an argument of your own.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48374737]I don't even care if they're radical, my issue with them is that their opinions are horrible, they look horrible and they have horrible personalities. Most "down to Earth feminists" that I've met are really the same as the radical ones, except they're quiet. Also feminists not expecting you to agree with them? Please, [b]that[/b] is most definitely a minority.[/QUOTE] Be honest. Have you ever actually met a feminist in real life?
hello is this the thread where i voice my ignorant opinions on people whose ideology i do not understand and whom i've also never talked to or otherwise interacted with in real life? [editline]wow[/editline] amazing how people are still using the "why is it called feminism and not egalitarianism" argument. after all this time one would think people would start reading a bit about what i assume they spend way too many hours of their life ranting against it's basically babby's 1st antifeminist "argument" at this point
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48374751]Women should be paid equally in the workplace. There is divisiveness in the law that favors sexes unequally in some cases. Women should not be treated as objects or as a point for advertising something. ~horrible~[/QUOTE] I thought this whole wagegap thing was debunked ages ago. Most laws favor women. NO ONE should be treated as objects for advertising something, both sexes are portrayed badly in media.
[QUOTE=Chi_DE;48375070]I thought this whole wagegap thing was debunked ages ago. Most laws favor women. NO ONE should be treated as objects for advertising something, both sexes are portrayed badly in media.[/QUOTE] it's funny because this, in itself, is a myth perpetrated by conservatives and anti-feminists in general. whenever someone whips up a statistic "proving" that there's no wage gap, it turns out those statistics are adjusted for factors like differences in education, number of hours worked, job sector, position, etc. which will of course reduce the gap when presented this way. the adjustements are themselves discriminatory in nature. this is tackled in detail by the european comission in this paper: [url]http://ec.europa.eu/justice/gender-equality/files/gender_pay_gap/140319_gpg_en.pdf[/url] [editline]also[/editline] also an interesting read: [url]http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/sites/default/files/ef_publication/field_ef_document/ef1018en.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;48369070]Tumblr psuedofeminists aren't main stream at all, bit IMHO they're becoming increasingly common.[/QUOTE] There was a pretty good post a moderator here made a while back on how easy it is to create a strawman caricature online, and on Tumblr in particular, it's really quite clear that most "SJW" drama is being manufactured by the redpillers who make careers out of "fighting" it.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48374737]I don't even care if they're radical, my issue with them is that their opinions are horrible, they look horrible and they have horrible personalities. Most "down to Earth feminists" that I've met are really the same as the radical ones, except they're quiet. Also feminists not expecting you to agree with them? Please, [b]that[/b] is most definitely a minority.[/QUOTE] You're such a bigot it's absurd. You're racist, LGBT-phobic, misogynistic, and horrifyingly regressive. Why aren't you permabanned?
i dunno why any of this is even being discussed again, this is yet another shitty clickbait video made to preach to the already converted and piss off regular people for pageviews, move along
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48374737]Also feminists not expecting you to agree with them? Please, [b]that[/b] is most definitely a minority.[/QUOTE] Aren't you the same guy who said all gay people are child rapists or some shit like that?
[QUOTE=Chi_DE;48375070]I thought this whole wagegap thing was debunked ages ago. Most laws favor women. NO ONE should be treated as objects for advertising something, both sexes are portrayed badly in media.[/QUOTE] Okay, so the wage gap is "debunked" if you control for job selection. If you compare men and women at the same job and same levels, you recieve a wage gap of (IIRC) ~0.94. Now, that's only "debunking" if you think that it's cool that women make ~6% less than men. And that is massively unfair, so no, it isn't a debunking. However, controlling for job selection is in itself fucking stupid, because if you do so you are completely ignoring the fact that a wide variety of societal forces contribute to the ~0.73 figure. You can't just say "women's choices hurr durr" and dismiss the issues. You have to ask WHY women are selecting jobs with lower pay than men. Like, as a microcosm of the issue: Why is it that I'm in a CS program where the male:female ratio is like 7:1? If I were to ask my friends why they selected this program, they'd say because they always liked computers, and plenty of them got into CS because they wanted to make video games, me included. It's no secret that the majority of games are aimed at boys. Sure, I may never have been told "Do computer stuff because it's for boys" but when boys are given more opportunities to get into technical stuff and computer science than girls it's easy to see how even something as simple as this can have an effect. (Aside: I'm still bitter that people on this forum took that Maddox video as gospel, unbiased truth, grumble grumble)
[QUOTE=splenda;48374935]Literally as someone who participates in running pro feminism concerts and supporting female fronted acts and all that jazz I can tell you that you are wrong on all accounts here. Many feminists very much care about their personal appearance, mostly because its still ingrained in people that outer attractiveness = inner happiness. Also people just like to look good and to stay healthy. Personality wise, they are some of the most genuinely nice people I have ever met, taking in total strangers and not prejudging people. For the whole feminists not expecting you to agree with them part, even if you disagree with them, if you do not make the entire interaction with them about how you are a men's rights activist and if you are not attacking their viewpoints they will accept you and be friendly, sounds familiar? Literally any other human being who holds opinions on something. You might not agree with their positions on things, but accepting attacking peoples looks because you disagree with them is totally the wrong way to argue your point. Even in attacking their physical appearance, videos like this are just showing that those behind it have never actually met feminists because many are very physically attractive, and there are also those who are not that physically attractive but even if they were all ugly, hairy, fat women, it should not matter at all because not everyone in the world is a super modal.[/QUOTE] If the point that I'm arguing is that they are overall unappealing individuals, then I don't see how their looks and personalities aren't relevant. Making sure one does not judge strangers does not make them good people and the whole avoidance of talking like an MRA (which I'm not anyway) assumes that they avoid talking like a feminist (which I doubt they will do). I will concede the fact that there's a large group of people, whom I referred to as "feminists" earlier, that is really just going with the flow and not active in any sense. My point still stands on their opinions, but it's true, they do tend to look normal and lead marginally normal lifestyles. I wouldn't corral these people in with the feminists as they are just the unfortunate results of having the ideology pounded into their skulls since grade school.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48375489]My point still stands on their opinions[/QUOTE] What point? What actual point did you try to m-- [QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48375489] No, but they are, at least in spirit.[/QUOTE] Aaaaaand you're a gimmick, nevermind.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48375489]If the point that I'm arguing is that they are overall unappealing individuals, then I don't see how their looks and personalities aren't relevant. Making sure one does not judge strangers does not make them good people and the whole avoidance of talking like an MRA (which I'm not anyway) assumes that they avoid talking like a feminist (which I doubt they will do). I will concede the fact that there's a large group of people, whom I referred to as "feminists" earlier, that is really just going with the flow and not active in any sense. My point still stands on their opinions, but it's true, they do tend to look normal and lead marginally normal lifestyles. I wouldn't corral these people in with the feminists as they are just the unfortunate results of having the ideology pounded into their skulls since grade school.[/QUOTE] So if you believe that women deserve equal rights, you had an ideology pounded into you since childhood? People can't think critically and decide women are equal, it's always forced by ambiguous strawman feminists?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48375516] Aaaaaand you're a gimmick, nevermind.[/QUOTE] I wish
yeah, poor things, being brainwashed with such appalling ideas as "i am a person and i have rights" and "my body is not property" truly orwellian stuff
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48375489]If the point that I'm arguing is that they are overall unappealing individuals, then I don't see how their looks and personalities aren't relevant. Making sure one does not judge strangers does not make them good people and the whole avoidance of talking like an MRA (which I'm not anyway) assumes that they avoid talking like a feminist (which I doubt they will do). I will concede the fact that there's a large group of people, whom I referred to as "feminists" earlier, that is really just going with the flow and not active in any sense. My point still stands on their opinions, but it's true, they do tend to look normal and lead marginally normal lifestyles. I wouldn't corral these people in with the feminists as they are just the unfortunate results of having the ideology pounded into their skulls since grade school.[/QUOTE] I think your tinfoil fedora is on a bit too tight.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48375531]So if you believe that women deserve equal rights, you had an ideology pounded into you since childhood? People can't think critically and decide women are equal, it's always forced by ambiguous strawman feminists?[/QUOTE] I don't think that gender equality is a conclusion one can reach through critical thinking. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Still awful" - OvB))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48375553]I don't think that gender equality is a conclusion one can reach through critical thinking.[/QUOTE] If only you could buy titles for people still.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48375553]I don't think that gender equality is a conclusion one can reach through critical thinking.[/QUOTE] you can dress up all these ideas you have in this sort of political spin but at this point they're all so uniformly demeaning to other people that i can't help but wonder who you are, what your life has been like. i don't think this is about politics at all. i hope you find someone who helps you discover the goodness in other people.
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[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;48375553]I don't think that gender equality is a conclusion one can reach through critical thinking. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Still awful" - OvB))[/highlight][/QUOTE] finally
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;48375542]yeah, poor things, being brainwashed with such appalling ideas as "i am a person and i have rights" and "my body is not property" truly orwellian stuff[/QUOTE] There's a difference between believing that the government has no right to tell someone what to do with their body and believing physics are sexist.
[QUOTE=Velocet;48376644]There's a difference between believing that the government has no right to tell someone what to do with their body and [B]believing physics are sexist.[/B][/QUOTE] I can guarantee you that no sane person believes this. [editline]4th August 2015[/editline] Tumblr troll accounts aren't actually real people and it would be wise to assume people saying things like that are fake accounts being [I]totally epicly funny right guys, I mean those feminists y'know????[/I]
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