• Why are feminists fat and ugly?
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48387182][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jjJtjU3.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] that's because while feminism is mostly recognized as an ideology, with its ideals set on equality for women, the MRA movement is generally accepted to be a counter-movement against (or like i said in the post below that one, a knee-jerk reaction to) feminism. but you conveniently ignored that 2 weeks ago and you'll probably ignore it again now
"hog beasts"
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48387260]that's because while feminism is mostly recognized as an ideology, with its ideals set on equality for women, the MRA movement is generally accepted to be a counter-movement against (or like i said in the post below that one, a knee-jerk reaction to) feminism. but you conveniently ignored that 2 weeks ago and you'll probably ignore it again now[/QUOTE] Its a reaction to feminism but not reactionary. It sees flaws in how feminists deal with gender inequality and aims to address them.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48387182] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jjJtjU3.png[/IMG][/quote] I mean if we're bringing up other posts from other threads how about [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48020544]Rhodesia was wasted potential. It could have evolved into a nation with racial equality and economic prosperity but instead we got Mugabe.[/QUOTE] wait why am I supposed to take your opinions on social issues seriously
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48387298]Its a reaction to feminism but not reactionary. It sees flaws in how feminists deal with gender inequality and aims to address them.[/QUOTE] It's doing a pretty shit job then, I haven't heard of anything MRAs accomplishing anything except bitching about women being offended by catcalls on reddit and circlejerking over how cool they are for being contrarians. What has feminism accomplished in comparison? Women being given the vote, the ability of freedom to move about (Look at Saudi Arabia's laws against women driving alone for what I mean by that), and basically just women having as much free will as they have today to do what they want.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48387322]I haven't heard of anything MRAs accomplished except for bitch about women disliking catcalls on reddit and circlejerking.[/QUOTE] Don't forget they also boycotted Fury Road
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48387298]Its a reaction to feminism but not reactionary. It sees flaws in how feminists deal with gender inequality and aims to address them.[/QUOTE] And I fail to see how any of that has to do with men's rights. (Or how anything I've seen out of an MRA has any real value as an argument whatsoever) It's a real shame, because men as a gender have serious problems that need addressing that aren't. Inequalities in the court system, perceptions of men and what they're supposed to do and be like that are wrong, abuse of men, sexual harassment and rape of men, perception of men as pedophiles just for being around children, and tons more are all issues that need proper dealing with. They aren't, though, and I sincerely doubt any push for men's rights issues to be solved is going to be happening with fucking MRAs soiling the entire idea because they're barely closeted sexists. We deserve a real men's rights movement, not a bunch of young adult white male atheists wearing nothing but fucking suits condescending over feminism.
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48387337]Don't forget they also boycotted Fury Road[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, that too. Apparently powerful female characters are anti-male feminist propaganda, if you ask the men's rights movement.
By the way, the video is pretty cringy. The fat rad-fem joke should stick to being a joke based on a fair generalization instead of actually something used in any sort of discussion. Also, why can you point at the crazies and not me? [url]http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism/about/[/url] These guys seem to have actual points and objectives that they actually go after. [QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48387304] wait why am I supposed to take your opinions on social issues seriously[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48020544]Rhodesia was wasted potential. It could have evolved into a nation with racial equality and economic prosperity but instead we got Mugabe.[/QUOTE] Saying that Rhodesia could have had a civil rights movement instead of a violent communist revolution lead by some brutish thug?
jesus christ
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48387338]not a bunch of young adult white male atheists wearing nothing but fucking suits condescending over feminism.[/QUOTE] What have atheists got to do with anything??
There are real men's issues that need addressing, problem is MRA's don't even seem to care and want to focus on non-issues... sounds familiar, doesn't it? [QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48387337]Don't forget they also boycotted Fury Road[/QUOTE] Why?
[QUOTE=AbioFlesh;48387364]There are real men's issues that need addressing, problem is MRA's don't even seem to care and want to focus on non-issues... sounds familiar, doesn't it? Why?[/QUOTE] Because of the character Furiosa. If you haven't seen the movie, she's a very strong and non-sexualised female lead who doesn't follow any mainstream "female movie sidekick" tropes. Some people say she's even more of a main character then Max. MRAs didn't like her because of those reasons. Some people even decided she was "anti-male propaganda" but even I think that's probably not the common opinion of MRAs, that's too wacked out even for them. Maybe MGTOWs or Red Pillers but not MRAs. [editline]5th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Steele92;48387363]What have atheists got to do with this??[/QUOTE] The men's rights movement overlaps with the pretentious /r/athiesm type athiests pretty significantly. They're the same demographic, reddit-using teenage male who thinks he's cooler because he's "against the grain".
[QUOTE=AbioFlesh;48387364]There are real men's issues that need addressing, problem is MRA's don't even seem to care and want to focus on non-issues... sounds familiar, doesn't it? Why?[/QUOTE] straight from the shithead's mouth: [url]http://www.donotlink.com/f3g7[/url] [editline]a[/editline] MRAs only seem to care about helping men when by doing so they can "stick it" to the gosh darn feminazis. you'd also be hard pressed to find MRAs fighting for the rights of gay or trans men.
[QUOTE=Steele92;48387363]What have atheists got to do with anything??[/QUOTE] Edgy young white men have a tendency towards being militant atheists (which I say as an atheist) [url=http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2014/04/13/but-how-do-you-know-the-mras-are-atheists/]also this[/url]
Don't forget that the cliche atheist is one who gets a large percentage of their news, culture, and entertainment from a website that favors more clickbaity and sensationalized mediums without saying that they are sensationalized, in this case, people on reddit posting screen captures from "feminist tumblr users" who are actually just trolls trying to besmirch the feminist movement. :eng101:
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48387342] [url]http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism/about/[/url] These guys seem to have actual points and objectives that they actually go after. Saying that Rhodesia could have had a civil rights movement instead of a violent communist revolution lead by some brutish thug?[/QUOTE] Paul Elam set up a website to [URL="http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/23/a-voice-for-men-has-set-up-a-phony-white-ribbon-website-to-coopt-the-international-anti-violence-campaign-of-that-name/"]effectively steal donations from people who thought they were donating to a anti-violence against women charity[/URL] and [URL="http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/01/06/a-voice-for-mens-paul-elam-finally-admits-that-hes-been-pocketing-an-unspecified-chunk-of-site-donations/"]pocketing donations to pay for personal items.[/URL] Somehow I doubt that dirtbag cares for anything besides his wallet.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48387342][url]http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism/about/[/url][/QUOTE] everyone pay attention because this right here is the kind of well-mannered, pro-equality and level-headed discourse the men's rights movement has to offer: [url]http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showthread.php?8291-On-Bitches-(a-rant)[/url] [QUOTE=Mequa]I think manipulative, catty, conniving, calculating females are pure evil. Applying indirect, covert aggression as a power play, manipulating men to get in their good graces and climb up the pecking order, before aggressively attacking those who don't "fit in" for their own sadistic pleasure, to aggrandise their own ego and to raise their own status. Playing the victim to stir white knights to go on the attack at their target, when they are the aggressor. Having utter contempt and disdain for anyone they sleep with. Expecting males to be Teflon and always shifting the blame when anyone else gets hurt - it's always the other person's fault for being hurtable, for not being Teflon - they always have zero accountability for any harm caused, deny any role in it, and tell themselves it's not them to feel good and look good. Deluding people, by putting on a cute demeanour, that "she wouldn't do that". Using charm to beguile, while calculatingly lashing out at anyone who dares to reveal their true colours or who even sees through their mask at what they really are. Totally void of empathy or sympathy, while putting it on purely fakely to gain an advantage. [/QUOTE] [url]http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showthread.php?16675-Manly-career-choices[/url] [QUOTE=Anonymous]So i have been racking my brain over this for a few weeks now, at 24 i am still not sure what direction i should take in life, currently i work in a warehouse, my job is decently manly and i think it builds strenghth in me even though my legs hurt every day but hey, it's always that way when you need to get your stamina up a notch. However the pay is absolute shit, if i wanted to strike out on my own i would barely be able to cover living expenses, there is a lot of overtime, sometimes up to 4 hours a day (take into account that it's a phisically demanding job) and i know it wears down your body with time because i can see the state older workers are in. So i as sure as hell want to progress into something better ASAP, but here is my dillema, most well paying jobs i know of require college, and we all know colleges were feminized, IDK how it is in other countries but here you basically spend 3-5 years learning things you will never need and it is still a very poor guarantee, i know plenty of people who finished college and are back to square one, one of them works with me(at least student loans are not really a thing here though). Another option is something like military or mining but those jobs are dangerous, and if i am going to be starting a family i don't want them to get my body in a box when i am 40. In short, can anyone think of any jod+bs that are moderately well payed, not female dominated, don't require a PHD and are not too dangerous, i was thinking about it for weeks but no dice, everything i can think falls into one of those.[/QUOTE] and let's not forget this masterpiece, uploaded by the big man Paul Elam himself: [video=youtube;zHslWTN1zsE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHslWTN1zsE[/video] the very website you're using to convice people that the MRM is totally pro-equality and not at all crazy is one of the most notoriously crazy sites in the manosphere go home ranger, i liked you better when you were permabanned
[QUOTE=AbioFlesh;48387364]Why?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.returnofkings.com/63036/why-you-should-not-go-see-mad-max-feminist-road[/url] Basically they saw the trailers and came to the conclusion it was feminist propaganda. [i]From the trailers[/i].
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48387401]Edgy young white men have a tendency towards being militant atheists (which I say as an atheist) [url=http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2014/04/13/but-how-do-you-know-the-mras-are-atheists/]also this[/url][/QUOTE] You know all I'm seeing in this whole argument is just cliques and stereotyping and flinging shit, so what if there's a userbase overlap on Reddit, that doesn't have shit on atheism or feminism or whatever else as a whole
[QUOTE=Steele92;48387495]You know all I'm seeing in this whole argument is just cliques and stereotyping and flinging shit, [B]so what if there's a userbase overlap on Reddit[/B], that doesn't have shit on atheism or feminism or whatever else in themselves[/QUOTE] That's a fair line of thought and I won't chastise you for it, but Reddit is where a large portion of the men's rights community resides. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/CIp47Vv.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Ajhskcu.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/tLcBz72.png[/IMG] It's a valid argument because Reddit has a community of nearly 250,000 MRAs, probably more, given I only went for the 3 subreddits I know of.
[QUOTE=Steele92;48387495]You know all I'm seeing in this whole argument is just cliques and stereotyping and flinging shit, so what if there's a userbase overlap on Reddit, that doesn't have shit on atheism or feminism or whatever else as a whole[/QUOTE] Also, adding to what Starlight said, reddit is the most popular internet forum/whatever it is so it makes sense that a very internet based social group would congregate to the largest internet community.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48387342]By the way, the video is pretty cringy. The fat rad-fem joke should stick to being a joke [B][I]based on a fair generalization[/I][/B][/QUOTE] what the fuck? [editline]6th August 2015[/editline] all mras are nerdy woman-hating virgins <- don't worry this is a joke based on a fair generalization
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48387551]what the fuck?[/QUOTE] Some people like to think those mocking a serious social issue represent the whole of the issue and do not want to actually do any field research in it. Like if someone has an argument to make they should at least be able to cite real life encounters with the group instead of resulting to tumblr screencaps.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48387551]what the fuck? [editline]6th August 2015[/editline] all mras are nerdy woman-hating virgins <- don't worry this is a joke based on a fair generalization[/QUOTE] The best part about saying "joke based on a fair generalization" is that it's no longer a joke if it's supposed to be stated as fact. That's like making a racist joke and saying it's based on a fair generalization: you're still being totally racist and don't understand how jokes work.
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48387124]I never went through that phase. therefore i'm better than you[/QUOTE] year 9 was a tough time alright
[QUOTE=splenda;48387561]Some people like to think those mocking a serious social issue represent the whole of the issue and do not want to actually do any field research in it. Like if someone has an argument to make they should at least be able to cite real life encounters with the group instead of resulting to tumblr screencaps.[/QUOTE] In my experience, the people who have told me that they are feminist tended to be on the more extreme side, but I think that's really just because of what the word has become. As I keep saying, most people are feminists. I've also met an actual militant SJW in real life before. It's pretty awful. But that's one person out of the very many people I've met during my first years of college.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48387338]And I fail to see how any of that has to do with men's rights. (Or how anything I've seen out of an MRA has any real value as an argument whatsoever) It's a real shame, because men as a gender have serious problems that need addressing that aren't. Inequalities in the court system, perceptions of men and what they're supposed to do and be like that are wrong, abuse of men, sexual harassment and rape of men, perception of men as pedophiles just for being around children, and tons more are all issues that need proper dealing with. They aren't, though, and I sincerely doubt any push for men's rights issues to be solved is going to be happening with fucking MRAs soiling the entire idea because they're barely closeted sexists. We deserve a real men's rights movement, not a bunch of young adult white male atheists wearing nothing but fucking suits condescending over feminism.[/QUOTE] The feminism movement does fight for most of these things for men. A lot come out in support for the need of men having the same safe zones and call centres for domestic violence and rape just like women have, that women can do just as much damage to children as men therefore equal representation in the family courts are vital and that men shouldn't be shamed for displaying their feelings (the age old saying that men who show their feelings is "not manly" or "too feminine") On top of that, trans men coming out as a woman aren't fairly treated in the feminist movement (most are shunned or called out, some believe feminism is only exclusive to "natural born women") and white feminism which has tried to capitalise on vaginal and body art (this is a real issue), some denouncing black women struggles which has caused an outrage in these communities there's a lot of shit going on because there's a lot of toxicity in the crowd but I feel that most people are starting to, I guess detoxify the situation and make it more inviting to others. It's just that all this bad coverage (like this guy) gives feminism a dirty name which shouldn't be happening at all
[QUOTE=wauterboi;48387656]In my experience, the people who have told me that they are feminist tended to be on the more extreme side, but I think that's really just because of what the word has become. As I keep saying, most people are feminists. I've also met an actual militant SJW in real life before. It's pretty awful. But that's one person out of the very many people I've met during my first years of college.[/QUOTE] With my line of musical interests and general friend zones, I frequently go to all female feminist art shows/third gender and feminist concerts and whatever and I have run into many militant feminists. A great example is the first time I went to this feminist DIY house concert, I was standing alone outside and this one girl came up to me and was extremely nice, telling me about the place and introducing me to other people. Like she was going out of her way to be accepting of me even though I am a white, straight male. Then a few hours later her band took the stage and they started all their songs with poetry about militant feminism and all that stuff. Even after the show her other band members were happy to talk to my cis-white male self. This is not the only time something like this has happened before either. The saying "A few bad apples ruin the whole bunch" cannot fit this whole rampant scapegoating and insulting that is aimed at the feminist community from the internet more exactly. I'm not trying to argue that there are not people who just want to be assholes and then hide behind the feminist banner at the end of the day to try to shift the blame from them just being a shitty person, but the feminist community that I know and am a part of looks down on those type of people. There are shitty people who associate with all movements/groups, but it really seems like those who hide behind the feminism label seem to be the most generalized example on the internet right now. [editline]5th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=fruxodaily;48387682]On top of that, trans men coming out as a woman aren't fairly treated in the feminist movement (most are shunned or called out, some believe feminism is only exclusive to "natural born women")[/QUOTE] At least from what I have witnessed, the trend of not accepting third gendered MtF or even FtM in the feminist community is going away. I have seen women publicly shunned by the community for calling out either transgendered individuals or men as not being "true feminists" because they were not born with the female reproductive organs.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48387511]That's a fair line of thought and I won't chastise you for it, but Reddit is where a large portion of the men's rights community resides.It's a valid argument because Reddit has a community of nearly 250,000 MRAs, probably more, given I only went for the 3 subreddits I know of.[/QUOTE] That's the problem, you're basing all this off Reddit when if you look at the "manoshere" and all its toxicity in general, you'll see it's also made up of very christian reactionaries so the contrived association of vocal atheists and MRAs looks pathetic and does nothing but result in petty stereotypical shitflinging like we see on these forums, same goes for people in TheRedPill and the like when they conflate feminism and whatever and "SJWs"
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