How to fix your posture by doing a 2 minute exercise twice a day. - General

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50559405]really, we should be using placebo based painkilling methods far more, especially in america since we're extremely susceptible to the placebo effect in general [editline]20th June 2016[/editline] if you can fool yourself into thinking the pain is gone then your brain is already doing the exact same shit opiates would do except you aren't putting yourself at risk of addiction[/QUOTE] People who need opiates are in enough pain that the placebo effect isn't going to do anything for them. If you want placebos, go ahead and buy homeopathic drugs.

I tried doing it, but I forgot I had scoliosis and now my wall has a butt hole in it. And now I remember I have scoliosis. Should my left leg feel fuzzy after that?

[QUOTE=thedekoykid;50559399]Yeah, went to a nerve specialist and Docs. I had a 70% loss of nerve something in the Ulnar nerve compared to the other one that runs in the arm. But, I learnt that there is a lot of money in nerve conduction tests. It was like a grand for 15 minutes of putting electricity in someone. Then to prescribe to come back in 6 months to have it done again. I guess there is probably a chance that it might not be the cause, maybe doing this accelerated an underlying issue? I'm not sure, and its probably helped a lot of people. I just wanted to share. Since when I told my mother, she said "Thats a shame."[/QUOTE] Wow shit, that sucks, but maybe. There is also a chance that this issue, would come sooner or later, and you suddenly did this exercise, and it finally became a problem. Which makes is very easy to blame it on that.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;50559429]People who need opiates are in enough pain that the placebo effect isn't going to do anything for them. If you want placebos, go ahead and buy homeopathic drugs.[/QUOTE] not always. there is a not-insignificant number of doctors who prescribe opiates for people who very well may not be in that much pain at all. when i got my wisdom teeth taken out i was given a hydrocodone prescription because i might have pain. it did hurt, but it wasn't anything i needed opiates for. this isn't an uncommon story. homeopathic drugs are shit because they purport to fix diseases while not actually doing anything. placebos for pain relief can be just as effective at managing pain as pharmaceutical methods. imo, doctors should pursue those methods before going straight to the opiates.

Nice trick to get people to look silly, gotta try it sometime.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50559583]not always. there is a not-insignificant number of doctors who prescribe opiates for people who very well may not be in that much pain at all. when i got my wisdom teeth taken out i was given a hydrocodone prescription because i might have pain. it did hurt, but it wasn't anything i needed opiates for. this isn't an uncommon story. homeopathic drugs are shit because they purport to fix diseases while not actually doing anything. placebos for pain relief can be just as effective at managing pain as pharmaceutical methods. imo, doctors should pursue those methods before going straight to the opiates.[/QUOTE] Placebo has about a 30% success rate iirc, that chance of it helping isn't enough to justify prolonged suffering imo. Especially when it means lying to your patients.

damn lol, instead of lifting/being somewhat active the majority of you that have no underlying issues with your backs need special exercises to fix your mis-treated backs kinda pathetic honestly

[QUOTE=sipsublast;50559765]damn lol, instead of lifting/being somewhat active the majority of you that have no underlying issues with your backs need special exercises to fix your mis-treated backs kinda pathetic honestly[/QUOTE] You know this is mostly intended for people exactly opposite that right? Like an office worker? Working in IT usually leads to pretty much no physical activity, and i'm not unhealthy or anything so I have no need to go to the gym. All I do is walk to the office, sit down, sit in front of a PC, do my work, and then go back home. I can see the hunchback thing becoming an issue when you are sitting there too long concentrating on a screen. I don't do sports or anything because they don't interest me, nor do any of my friends do it either. So whats the point of doing something I don't enjoy for several hours out of my already short week when I can do a short exercise just so my posture is right? I don't have much of an issue myself as when I got the job I started fixing my posture and developed a habit of walking with a straight back and my head straight, and I pretty much got rid of the posture issues I had when I went to school and came back home playing games in front of my PC. Even then, this exercise felt good to do and made my back/shoulders feel less strain/stiff.

[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;50558902]Yeah, I was interested until I heard the word chiropractor. Very skeptical of anything created by a chiropractor (aka charlatan). (Chiropractic is pseudoscience quackery rubbish, like acupuncture and homeopathy. It's not real medicine. It does nothing, or when it does it's because it just took shit from actual physical therapy.)[/QUOTE] Yah i thought it waa bulshit too because of all the analogy talk "now we restart the computer". But I did the exercise and suddenly standing upright no longer felt unnatural if you know what i mean. Definitely makes you feel good for some time, not sure about long term effects.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50559753]Placebo has about a 30% success rate iirc, that chance of it helping isn't enough to justify prolonged suffering imo. Especially when it means lying to your patients.[/QUOTE] that the placebo effect can cause actual physiological reactions as well as even having an appreciable success rate indicates that more studies should be done on it. there are some studies which show that, in certain situations, [URL="http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/07July/Pages/The-placebo-effect-can-still-work-even-if-people-know-its-a-placebo.aspx"]the placebo effect can still work even if the patient knows it is a placebo.[/URL] though that is a very specific situation, i find it fascinating. i also find it interesting that [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34572482"]americans are more affected by placebos than others[/URL]. to completely discard the effect beyond drug trials seems like a waste to me [editline]21st June 2016[/editline] also just tried this and it doesn't hurt to sit up straight anymore. even if it is the placebo effect it is currently improving my quality of life so i'm not complaining

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50559869]that the placebo effect can cause actual physiological reactions as well as even having an appreciable success rate indicates that more studies should be done on it. there are some studies which show that, in certain situations, [URL="http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/07July/Pages/The-placebo-effect-can-still-work-even-if-people-know-its-a-placebo.aspx"]the placebo effect can still work even if the patient knows it is a placebo.[/URL] though that is a very specific situation, i find it fascinating. i also find it interesting that [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34572482"]americans are more affected by placebos than others[/URL]. to completely discard the effect beyond drug trials seems like a waste to me [editline]21st June 2016[/editline] also just tried this and it doesn't hurt to sit up straight anymore. even if it is the placebo effect it is currently improving my quality of life so i'm not complaining[/QUOTE] Maybe it warrants more research but that's definitely not the same as replacing much more effective treatments with it, which is what you were suggesting.

Why wouldn't you guys just go to a doctor and properly fix your posture? It sucks if you can't afford it, but if you can, I don't understand why you'd waste your time with this kinda stuff, I'm never going to watch this video to be honest as this sounds really fishy to me, I wouldn't want to accidentally instinctively end up doing whatever the video suggests. [QUOTE=sipsublast;50559765]lifting[/QUOTE] Wouldn't that make things worse? But seriously, what the hell, don't take medical advice from a YouTube video, that's the worst thing you could possibly ever do, I really think these kinda threads should not be allowed, most people just end up hurting themselves, no matter how "real" a procedure might seem.

[QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;50559922]Why wouldn't you guys just go to a doctor and properly fix your posture? It sucks if you can't afford it, but if you can, I don't understand why you'd waste your time with this kinda stuff, I'm never going to watch this video to be honest as this sounds really fishy to me, I wouldn't want to accidentally instinctively end up doing whatever the video suggests. Wouldn't that make things worse?[/QUOTE] Doctors in Canada will prescribe you chiropractic therapy if you back hurts or you have poor posture. There is nothing fishy about things like this though your tone alone makes me think you're trolling [editline]21st June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;50559922]Why wouldn't you guys just go to a doctor and properly fix your posture? It sucks if you can't afford it, but if you can, I don't understand why you'd waste your time with this kinda stuff, I'm never going to watch this video to be honest as this sounds really fishy to me, I wouldn't want to accidentally instinctively end up doing whatever the video suggests. Wouldn't that make things worse? But seriously, what the hell, don't take medical advice from a YouTube video, that's the worst thing you could possibly ever do, I really think these kinda threads should not be allowed, most people just end up hurting themselves, no matter how "real" a procedure might seem.[/QUOTE] If you don't even watch it how can you possibly know it would hurt someone? It's literally arm motions with a straight back Christ have you ever been to a gym

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50559929]Doctors in Canada will prescribe you chiropractic therapy if you back hurts or you have poor posture. There is nothing fishy about things like this though your tone alone makes me think you're trolling[/QUOTE] No, I just don't know anything about this, but I would never tell people to watch a YouTube video in order to fix their health issues, instead they should approach a real doctor. I was mostly concered about people harming themselves if they didn't know what they were doing, I don't think an internet forum is a great place to discuss medical issues, no matter how safe it might be.

[QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;50559922]Why wouldn't you guys just go to a doctor and properly fix your posture? It sucks if you can't afford it, but if you can, I don't understand why you'd waste your time with this kinda stuff, I'm never going to watch this video to be honest as this sounds really fishy to me, I wouldn't want to accidentally instinctively end up doing whatever the video suggests.[/QUOTE] You stand against a wall with your chin tucked in. You slowly flap your arms 10 times. Then touch your ears 10 times. Then pretend to climb a ladder 10 times. Then repeat two more times. Yeah man like you'll "accidentally instinctively" do that. E: And it fucken worked. Just once and it already felt like more effort to hang my head instead of keeping it upright. Definitely gonna keep doing this.

[QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;50559922]Why wouldn't you guys just go to a doctor and properly fix your posture? It sucks if you can't afford it, but if you can, I don't understand why you'd waste your time with this kinda stuff, I'm never going to watch this video to be honest as this sounds really fishy to me, I wouldn't want to accidentally instinctively end up doing whatever the video suggests. Wouldn't that make things worse? But seriously, what the hell, don't take medical advice from a YouTube video, that's the worst thing you could possibly ever do, I really think these kinda threads should not be allowed, most people just end up hurting themselves, no matter how "real" a procedure might seem.[/QUOTE] the exercises in the video is just a simple 2 minute mobility drill, in the absolute worst case scenario it will do nothing and lifting/strength training is extremely important, especially if you have postural issues

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50559909]Maybe it warrants more research but that's definitely not the same as replacing much more effective treatments with it, which is what you were suggesting.[/QUOTE] actual treatments shouldn't be replaced, but when it comes to pain reduction i feel we should be more open to alternative methods. as pain is a perception, it is as much psychological as it is physiological. if we could perhaps intertwine the clinical side and the more spiritual* side, it may end up working out better than through purely clinical methods *i am using spiritual in a more general sense, the intangible side of being human. your mental self, state-of-mind, experiences, and perceptions. the things about you that can't be measured, basically. perhaps psychological would be more appropriate, but i prefer spiritual for reasons i can't seem to explain.

[QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;50559922]Why wouldn't you guys just go to a doctor and properly fix your posture? It sucks if you can't afford it, but if you can, I don't understand why you'd waste your time with this kinda stuff, I'm never going to watch this video to be honest as this sounds really fishy to me, I wouldn't want to accidentally instinctively end up doing whatever the video suggests. Wouldn't that make things worse? But seriously, what the hell, don't take medical advice from a YouTube video, that's the worst thing you could possibly ever do, I really think these kinda threads should not be allowed, most people just end up hurting themselves, no matter how "real" a procedure might seem.[/QUOTE] Most people don't notice it, they do feel a sting in their back and so on but its usually not worth the trip. Doctors here would advice chiropractic therapy anyway (Source: been there, waste of time)

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;50559946]Yeah man like you'll "accidentally instinctively" do that.[/QUOTE] I mainly said that seeing as I saw someone post that wrist picture, I know what I said is silly, but, I really wouldn't attempt this kinda stuff myself seeing as I'm not exactly informed about this, but again, I'm not trying to bash the method (in the YouTube video) or whatever, I'm just worried about other people hurting themselves, really not much else. That post has that tone seeing as I'm simply worried about other users harming themselves, as I said it before, even if the method itself is or might be safe, I would still check in with a doctor first before applying a treatment just to make sure.

[QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;50559962]I mainly said that seeing as I saw someone post that wrist picture, I know what I said is silly, but, I really wouldn't attempt this kinda stuff myself seeing as I'm not exactly informed about this[/QUOTE] The wrist picture is different. I definitely do that accidentally instinctively

[QUOTE=darth-veger;50559961]Most people don't notice it, they do feel a sting in their back and so on but its usually not worth the trip. Doctors here would advice chiropractic therapy anyway (Source: been there, waste of time)[/QUOTE] I'm just a bit ignorant on the topic, even if I said a bunch of stupid stuff, this is something a bit new to me. This is really just a case of me not being informed, I never said anyone was wrong or anything. It sucks that it's a waste of time. Thanks for the responses anyway. I just know that people who post this type of advice on the internet generally do it with the intent of harming, which is why I'm posting like this, even if I come off as stupid, but I really don't care too much as long as things are cleared up.

What the fuck I try it once and I feel like I stand a few centimeters taller already, good stuff.

Whoever was the chiropractor who came up with this needs to be tried for witchcraft, this works great.

What the hell is this, normally these things are bogus but unless I'm suffering some serious placebo effects this feels great.

I think it's just a good morning exercise. Special gymnastics for posture uses similar exercises, except they are usually done lying on your back.

The "I've got boneitis" and other obvious jokes are funny but don't fuck around with being too subtle. Like, did that guy really get nerve damage from doing this or is he fucking with us because it looks like he just taped a towel to his arm in 10 seconds and then took a picture. This isn't 4chan please don't try to actually maim people as a joke.

[QUOTE=sipsublast;50559765]damn lol, instead of lifting/being somewhat active the majority of you that have no underlying issues with your backs need special exercises to fix your mis-treated backs kinda pathetic honestly[/QUOTE] this forum is by and large entirely sedentary both by hobby and by their work what exactly did you expect you're not on bodybuilding.com

All this did was make me feel silly :frown: then again, I already have ok posture due to my lifting. Though it's gotten to the point where I sometimes sit like a stiff plank leaning on a chair when I'm in the office because I instinctively try to keep my back straight instead of slumping, I should probably fix that instead :v:

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;50560425]The "I've got boneitis" and other obvious jokes are funny but don't fuck around with being too subtle. Like, did that guy really get nerve damage from doing this or is he fucking with us because it looks like he just taped a towel to his arm in 10 seconds and then took a picture. This isn't 4chan please don't try to actually maim people as a joke.[/QUOTE] I was skeptical at first considering what happened when that thumb-wrist thing was posted, but I tried doing what the video said to do and I think it actually worked. Like I feel like I'm a taller than before and, as some others said, I'm finding it hard to actually slouch in my chair and now I'm sitting with a straight back. I don't know if doing it a lot causes nerve damage, but I hope it doesn't because this might just fix my posture issues :v:

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;50560425]The "I've got boneitis" and other obvious jokes are funny but don't fuck around with being too subtle. Like, did that guy really get nerve damage from doing this or is he fucking with us because it looks like he just taped a towel to his arm in 10 seconds and then took a picture. This isn't 4chan please don't try to actually maim people as a joke.[/QUOTE] My friend has lower back issues since he was born. No doctor wants to operate on him, because it's too risky. He's taking painkillers everyday. It hurts him if he stands, sits or even lay down. He said only if he's drunk, he doesn't feel that much pain. But painkillers got him into hospital, because he has some shit in his liver. Doctors had to stab him with a big needle without any anesthetic right into his liver. He said it was the worst pain he ever felt. He's living a hard life.