Medieval Engineers Review (Early Access) - Worth a Buy? - General

[QUOTE=RAG Frag;47209967]This shouldn't be a defense anymore when we are talking about a product being sold for money.[/QUOTE] Except it isn't marketed as a final product, nor has the development stop. Being sold for money doesn't mean the product is final, this is a ridiculous notion that if it was true then you wouldn't have 99% of the technological startups.

Jesus what is going on in this thread. Early access is becoming a problem and I have to agree with a lot of the points in the video. With pre-ordering and early access devs (or publishers, most of the time) are becoming increasingly lethargic and all around lazy with games because people will just eat it up. "It's an alpha/beta" doesn't work anymore. Not when 50% of the early access games released get stuck in stasis as far as development goes or they flat out lie and say "here's the official release thanks for your money." It's becoming a problem and people are continuing to fund the problem. [editline]25th February 2015[/editline] Seriously, Christ. People are pulling the wool over their own eyes with this shit. Look at the evidence and you'll see [b]certain[/b] devs/publishers are loving this half-the-effort-for-all-the-money trend they keep pedaling.

Although I don't agree with this for Medieval Engineers, I feel like he's right about Early Access games. The current state of it is just awful, with some companies just putting out a product and not even finishing the game (Starforge). While games labeled Early Access are rightfully titled, I feel that some devs are using it to avoid flack from customers. Maybe a different business model developers can use is put out a really early build of the game for free, and for recurring updates and all that pay the fee? That would be a good way to gauge if the game is right for you, while at the same time you can watch the development and see where it's going with it's production.

That's a different issue, you have the issue of developers lying to gamers, by saying it's a early access and never working on the game again but you also have actual early access games that are typically made for enthusiastic fans and often those types of players actually end up influencing the decisions and the final shape of the game. You should be angry if developers lie and you shouldn’t trust them again with an early access. However, it's a perfectly fine business model and in many cases it is what creates a successful game since many players are involved from the beginning. Lastly, you put all developers in the same sack just because a few of them are awful - which is unfair. If you really want, you can wait for games to exit early access.

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[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;47208850]Or just don't buy it till its at a point where you feel it's worth $15? Basically what I did with SE. If SE stopped being developed right now, I would be happy with what I bought. ME has a bit to go to reach that, but im confident it will reach it. [editline]24th February 2015[/editline] Honestly the video is a bit over the top in negativity. If you buy an early (and I mean EARLY) access game and then bitch about how it doesn't run beyond basics and how it isn't worth what you paid, then you missed the point of buying it in the first place. You buy it to support the developer in the promise that the game will be updated to at least an acceptable level(Which depends on the users preference) and not for what it is at the moment.[/QUOTE] You realize that's what the video is about? It is about if he feels it is worth the money. You don't buy it to "support the developer" when the developer has been made rich by their [I]previous[/I] unfinished game.

Valid points or not, he's being very obnoxious in that video.

[QUOTE=Breny;47210588]Valid points or not, he's being very obnoxious in that video.[/QUOTE] He's criticizing a wealthy developer for putting out a new game that uses early access as a shield to prevent criticism in selling a build so early and broken that for many it cannot start or causes [I]bluescreens[/I].

[QUOTE=Wolverunder;47210346]Jesus what is going on in this thread. Early access is becoming a problem and I have to agree with a lot of the points in the video. With pre-ordering and early access devs (or publishers, most of the time) are becoming increasingly lethargic and all around lazy with games because people will just eat it up. "It's an alpha/beta" doesn't work anymore. Not when 50% of the early access games released get stuck in stasis as far as development goes or they flat out lie and say "here's the official release thanks for your money." It's becoming a problem and people are continuing to fund the problem. [editline]25th February 2015[/editline] Seriously, Christ. People are pulling the wool over their own eyes with this shit. Look at the evidence and you'll see [b]certain[/b] devs/publishers are loving this half-the-effort-for-all-the-money trend they keep pedaling.[/QUOTE] The same developer that is going to add 100 000m diameter planets to space engineers in the future and you are saying they are just as shit as some of the worst examples out there for early access. Nice. Theres nothing wrong with the people defending this because these are some of the best devs.

[QUOTE=bitches;47210660]He's criticizing a wealthy developer for putting out a new game that uses early access as a shield to prevent criticism in selling a build so early and broken that for many it cannot start or causes [I]bluescreens[/I].[/QUOTE] That would be a good argument if we were strictly talking about funding, but early access, not only allows funding but serves the important function of iterative development with the fans.

If anyone else put out an early access title this broken and empty, they would not be receiving these excuses. This is especially bad for a wealthy developer. I don't mean to misquote BDA, but he did put it best: [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47211183]I feel like Medieval Engineers got rushed to early access way too quickly. It's not in a state that is playable to any real degree right now. The biggest draw of this game is, or will be, the structural integrity system. That's basically the core that Medieval Engineers is going to be built around, but it's not in a reliable state. Things look cool falling down, but when trying to build something, you essentially have to hold your breath and hope that a part will not simply explode when you place it. When the core underlying systems for your game are not in a satisfactorily functioning state, your game isn't ready to be opened up for the public. A good early access, in my opinion, should showcase the core systems of your game, and give you some tools and toys to play around with them, with the promise that you'll eventually get bigger and better tools and toys to do more fulfilling things with. Just my two cents, anyway! I'm really excited to see where Medieval Engineers go, but I personally wish they'd spent at least another month or two developing it before opening it up like this. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.[/QUOTE] [editline]25th February 2015[/editline] Just because people are willing to pay for it (or what they [I]think[/I] they're getting), doesn't mean it should be sold in its current state. That's abusing their customers.

like i said, early access helps improve game development in a multitude of ways and also gives the players the power to influence the future of the game and where the developers go with it and it's not abusing the customers, that's ridiculous, the customers can choose not to buy the game you know. you could say that if they were lying about the state the game is currently in but they're not

Is the voice in the video one of the Hairy Bikers?

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47213444]like i said, early access helps improve game development in a multitude of ways and also gives the players the power to influence the future of the game and where the developers go with it and it's not abusing the customers, that's ridiculous, the customers can choose not to buy the game you know. [B]you could say that if they were lying about the state the game is currently in but they're not[/B][/QUOTE] [quote="steam store page"] WHAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO SAY: Why Early Access? “Medieval Engineers is an Early Access game, which means that it is released while being under development but is[B] already in a very playable state and contains a vast amount of features[/B]. The game is being improved on a regular basis through updates that add and polish features and content, optimizations and bug fixes.[/quote] An empty and insanely unstable game.

then maybe you could say that that specific statement is a bit scummy but there's no need to villainize keen for going with early access when it has already worked very well for space engineers