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[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50465291]Are you familiar with the saying "jack of all trades, master of none"?
If you want to get really good at something you can't be doing 5 things at once.
This is exactly the mentality that inhibits success for the vast majority of people.
Success is a gamble. You risk everything for great reward.[/QUOTE]
Don't know why people disagree with you, but this is basic common sense (opportunity cost in economics 101?). If you want to excel in a field that you are passionate, work hard and relentlessly in that particular field and don't be a jack of all trades. Time is a rare ressource and it is important to use it wisely in the field you are absolutely passionate about. A multi taskers rarely succeed.
Hardly surprising this video is getting the reaction it's getting here on facepunch.
I think Mike Rowe is a great guy and I kinda agree with him but this is kind of a bad video. This is a much better video with him talking about this:
[video=youtube;IRVdiHu1VCc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRVdiHu1VCc&ab_channel=TED[/video]
We've been taught to go for high end jobs and think we're failures if we don't get them. I know a lot of entry level jobs are becoming automated but something I notice is that some people don't even bother to look at smaller scale jobs anymore because they have in their head that they'll magically get a "good" job after gaining some skills. [B]THIS ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS[/B]. If you want to be high up in a field you need to PROVE YOURSELF and have the right skills to NETWORK to get a "good" job.
Personally I go by "follow your dreams but don't quit your day job". For example, I want to be an animator, but I know theres fuck all jobs for that field where I live and the online scene is hard to break through. I'm most likely going to end up doing something like advertising work for an agency because I the skills to use the programs and I can set something up for printing and send it to a print shop to be printed on certain paper with certain glosses ect. I don't want to make adverts or flyers but it's what I can do.
Even if that fails I can do physical work, for about a year and a half I worked at a milk depo pushing around crates every night. I didn't want to do it but it was something I could do. The people I worked with were nice and I got money. I got this job because I wasn't looking at McDonalds or Kmart for jobs, Everyone tries Mcdonalds and Kmart. I looked at little places in the paper looking for odd jobs I could do for some money. I only quit because it was conflicting with my Uni timetable which I want to finish this year and get out the way.
Basically I'm trying to say don't chuck everything under a bus to follow a dream or passion but develop it as a side project. Sure I would love to make thousands of dollars by making animations but I know that's very likely not going to happen. HOWEVER if I work on my passion in my spare time with the money I saved up from doing jobs I know I can do, I has a chance to develop into something that can work out. If not, I have a fall back net of being able to work in several different jobs that might not be want I want to do, but I can do.
[editline]7th June 2016[/editline]
Also honestly I think a lot of people would hate to do their passion/hobby as a job.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50464055][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEuPmVAb8o[/media][/QUOTE]
This is so true. It's important to use your passion in your hobbies, and it's positive to have. However, ability is what determines what you can actually do, so it's important to bare that in mind too. I saw it's been rated dumb a few times on here, I honestly do not see how this video is dumb.
my problem is I can't figure what the hell i want to do anyways
[QUOTE=RaptorJGW;50465220]As far as being an artist that earns enough money to make a living goes, yeah it pretty much is
There are great and talented artists out there who barely make it through finance wise
Then there are "artists" who don't have much to offer but basically got chosen and crafted into stars[/QUOTE]
Being 'talented' (i.e., have worked their asses of to get mad skills) is only half the game. If you're not marketing yourself properly, putting in the effort to seek out the right jobs, networking with the right people, etc, etc, you will not get anywhere fast. Just being able to make something cool doesn't necessarily mean there's a market for it. You can either focus on appealing to an existing market or find a gap and create a market for yourself where there is a potential for desire, but you have to have a market. If you're just making art for the sake of making art and not treating it even a little bit like a business, you probably won't get a paycheck of any sort.
They're not lying when they say 'do what you love and somebody will eventually pay you for it'. But sometimes you have to find a way to make 'doing what you love' also overlap with 'making what other people love'.
Luck has very little to do with it.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50465062]excellent post[/QUOTE]
This man right here is 100% correct, thank you for sharing this. It's incredibly bothersome to see others mentally holding themselves back
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50469740]my problem is I can't figure what the hell i want to do anyways[/QUOTE]
I have the same issue. So just tell yourself, 'fuck it'. Pick one of the things you want to do and go for it. Drop everything into it and see where that path leads.
Otherwise you'll spend the next few years standing in the same spot being unable to pick a path. Then the next few years. Then the next. Then you'll be old and grey and dying in a hospital bed, having accomplished nothing because indecision got in the way. If you're anything like me, you might be trying to be a perfectionist when it comes to life choices. Fuck that.
You might fail. You might not reach the place you were heading for. But that's nothing to be afraid of. Everybody fails sometime. The path you pick is going to branch out. Jobs are going to open up in unexpected places. You might study an elective paper and realise that's where your passions lie, you might meet a girl who plays golf, and you'll start playing, and soon you'll go pro. You mightl get fired and have to work in a bookshop and realise you're really good at helping people find stories and knowledge.
But if you stand around trying to make the perfect life choice, you'll regret it. Pick the path you like most and start running. If you don't have a favourite path, roll a dice. That hospital bed is coming for you no matter where you are, so you might as well do something interesting in the meantime.
I agree with that you shouldn't just mindlessly follow your passion and that you need to be realistic about your career but if you have a realistic dream that requires a lot of work I think you should try to fulfill it. I have spent 4 years trying to pick careers because of how much demand there is for it and how broad the field is.
Most recently I studied CS for 1.5 years even though I've wanted to become a doctor or physiotherapist since I got out of high school, just because I didn't have the grades needed. I was as good as anyone else in my CS class but I got miserable quickly and I wasn't the only one; after half a year about 20% of the class remained. Yet I stayed because I had heard that picking a career based on passion was a stupid lie, not to mentioned that I had studied physics for 4 months before and quit. A year later I was severely depressed and one day I decided no more. It took a lot of work for me but this fall I'm finally going to study physiotherapy.
My wage will be much lower, the job opportunities more scarce and I will get out into the working life later than if I had stayed in CS but I'll be happy because medicine and helping people is my passion. I think a better alternative to "don't follow your passion" would be "don't be afraid of trying things outside your dream and comfort zone".
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50465734]"I joined the opera to get my union card and meet girls. I was a saloon singer, so I went down to the Baltimore Opera and learned an aria and auditioned. I figured I'd do one show and quit. But the girls were everywhere and the truth is, the music was really decent"
That hardly sounds like putting practicality before passion to me(even though what he was 'passionate' about isn't exactly the job itself :v)[/QUOTE]
He didn't have a passion for Opera in the slightest, but he tried it out anyway and it turned out that he enjoyed it. Sounds exactly like what he's talking about.
The message isn't so much to give up and settle for shit, it's to try things and not hold out for perfection when so many other things are just as rewarding.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50470206]Why is 2 pieces of con propaganda posted on FP in a week?
PragerU is garbage, treats everything in a superficial manner to push an agenda and gives terrible advice when it tries to.[/QUOTE]
I don't have a hard time to believe that's the case, but in this specific instance I think it's a good video. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;50469021]this is such a shitty video and a shitty message. don't follow your passion because you MIGHT suck at it. pick up a trade you might hate! and hopefully in the future you'll learn to enjoy it!
get fucked[/QUOTE]
thinking about it if you never follow your passion you'll never get good at it and never find out if you had a chance at being successful at it
Like, I agree with his message, but what's so bad about following a passion, but also picking up a trade as well?
I met a 40-50 year old machinist once at my fathers workplace. He's a millionaire who is lonely and bitter, but he's incredibly intelligent and talented as fuck and knows it.
[editline]7th June 2016[/editline]
just look at
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Rhett_and_link.jpg[/t]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhett_and_Link[/url]
[QUOTE]Rhett and Link quit their jobs as engineers soon after graduating from college and making videos is now the only thing they do for a living,[9] with their main channel being one of the most watched on YouTube[/QUOTE]
They decided they were better off as inter-na-tainers than
Don't confuse talent with skills, talent is definitely something you're born with. You could very well be a prodigy in some things and a dimwit in others. Some people could produce twice the results in half the effort in their respective fields. It's not a fact you can ignore.
However, what you do need to do, is find out whether you at least have a talent that you can make up for in effort if you're going to be successful at what you've set to accomplish. A lot of talented people lack the determination to give it their all. In comparison, I've seen a friend who doesn't have as much talent as others in what he does, but no one can deny that he'll be far more successful than his more talented peers. His determination completely makes up for his shortcomings.
Sadly, That is not always the case. Your talent can sometimes be so bad that you just don't have what it takes to make it, despite your efforts. For this reason you should always be aware of what you are and are not capable of, and plan your life around it. This doesn't mean that you should give up on your passions, it just means that you don't need to regard your passions as ultimate goals, but rather as a sense of direction. It's a simple thing called perspective and it can completely change your life.
natural talent is just an advantage and is something thats others can rival and exceed you in with more practice provided they do not posses a physical or mental handicap preventing them doing so
nobody should ever give up on their dreams. this guy is a cunt.
[editline]7th June 2016[/editline]
his whole contention is "i wasnt good at something i didnt really pursue for very long so i gave up, therefore you should give up on your dreams"
stellar video and life outlook, dude
[editline]7th June 2016[/editline]
i mean he's welcome to his own opinions, that doesn't make him a cunt.
what does make him one, is preaching giving up to people who may not know any better
yeah i believe passion is good but giving up is the real sucker
I think it's a matter of understanding practicality versus interests. You first have to develop a background in your persued field which begins in large amounts of building blocks in a pyramid scheme before you reach your intentions. A building needs a framework before being built, a plan needs accomplishments of its steps before being completed.
I gave up on my passion and dream once, I now earn great money, have a great job and literally have no cares in the world.
It wasn't worth it. I'm not fulfilled, I'm too safe and wouldn't have to work any harder than I do and I'd still be set for life.
Follow the fuck out of your dreams. Live poor and know that you are doing what you love and you aren't in a job where you don't feel fulfilled every minute of your life.
[QUOTE=mrkaki;50470359]Don't confuse talent with skills, talent is definitely something you're born with.[/QUOTE]
How is someone born with talent exactly? You pop out of your mother and you can play violon like a god instantly?
[QUOTE=pedrus24;50470968]How is someone born with talent exactly? You pop out of your mother and you can play violon like a god instantly?[/QUOTE]
Nobody is born with a skill like that. He means talent as in being better suited towards certain things. A person with talent can spend less time developing their skills, yet be just as good as someone that spent far longer.
I think the take away here is to not lie to yourself about what you are or aren't good at. Develop skill where you have talent and take joy in discipline, respect, and good work. Mike Rowe's main point is that non-degree work isn't lesser value work and can be just as fulfilling as you make it. So many people establish what their passion is at a young age and hang their value as a person on their success in that area, and that is a mistake. When people think about what they want to end up doing, they often dismiss anything that sounds like an unsuccessful career.
These people saying how PragerU are 'garbage' can't see past their own bias.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50471161]These people saying how PragerU are 'garbage' can't see past their own bias.[/QUOTE]
whats my bias
i've never heard of prager before seeing this wave of videos
i'm not even american
these videos are garbage and filled with shitty ill thought out ideas targeted at people who aren't capable of critical thinking on their own who just hear someone preaching and go 'HELL YEAH!'
[editline]7th June 2016[/editline]
the kind of people who could literally watch a video with the opposite opinion to the prager one and still be like 'oh yeah. this too!!!' if it was presented in as palatable a way.
they have this air of authoritism and 'matter-of-fact'ness about them made to sucker people in. read: not do their own thinking.
that's all these videos are
I agree with the part that you cannot just say "I want to do this, this is my passion." However I do not agree with the part that your future is basically predetermined. You can do anything... if you get off your lazy ass and actually put effort into improving the skill set required for what you want to do. I am not sure what I can say though because I am still a high school student, not an employed adult.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;50471198]whats my bias
i've never heard of prager before seeing this wave of videos
i'm not even american
these videos are garbage and filled with shitty ill thought out ideas targeted at people who aren't capable of critical thinking on their own who just hear someone preaching and go 'HELL YEAH!'
[editline]7th June 2016[/editline]
the kind of people who could literally watch a video with the opposite opinion to the prager one and still be like 'oh yeah. this too!!!' if it was presented in as palatable a way.
they have this air of authoritism and 'matter-of-fact'ness about them made to sucker people in. read: not do their own thinking.
that's all these videos are[/QUOTE]
the only reason the reaction is so hostile is because they're conservative rather than left-wing and you fucking know it
i don't know it though? i thought the videos were awful without knowing where they stood politically
i think that is just a convenient excuse for dismissing peoples opinion on these bad videos (that are bad regardless of where you lean politically)?
[editline]7th June 2016[/editline]
even conservatives wanna follow their fuckin dreams dude
I actually found his advice quite pragmatic in that respect but as someone said before there are some flaws regarding his advice. Nevertheless it is still his opinion and it was quite refreshing hearing another perspective on the issue of 'finding your passion.'
According to some of my friends, they say that once you get a job that aligns with your passion, the beauty wears off, stagnates and becomes stale over time. Hence, making your passion a chore and something to depend on to live on is perhaps not the wisest route you should take.
dreams and passion are what provide beauty to the world. without them it would be a pretty unremarkable place. preaching to kids that maybe they shouldn't persue their passion is one of the worst things i think you can do and is horribly detrimental to a society filled with passionate people improving other peoples lives. just because not everyone will make it is no reason to tell people 'maybe give up'. theres enough discouragement in the world. it's a horrible message and that's all there is to it.
[editline]8th June 2016[/editline]
where do you think every invention, discovery, and breakthrough comes from? dispassionate people who gave up?
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50469027]
Don't know why people disagree with you, but this is basic common sense (opportunity cost in economics 101?). If you want to excel in a field that you are passionate, work hard and relentlessly in that particular field and don't be a jack of all trades. Time is a rare ressource and it is important to use it wisely in the field you are absolutely passionate about. A multi taskers rarely succeed.[/QUOTE]
Except most of the time skills can be applied in more than one place.
You can find several different interests that revolve around the same principles and complement each other, so when you do pick a path, your other interests make you better and more well-rounded at the job.
For example: I like TV/movie stuff, photography, design, and computers. I have an above-average knowledge of all of those things. When I eventually start a career in TV (hopefully in the editing field), my photography/movie knowledge will help me get a visual point across, my design knowledge will be useful in graphics or logos required in production, and computer skills are important will make a big difference, considering it's a digital editing-based job.
This way I'll have job security, because my fields of interest intersect in ways that I can use to my advantage. You're suggesting that people find one single interest and pursue it exclusively, which makes you less interesting and gives you less skills that can work in your job. It's okay to pursue a lot of interests, as long as they have enough in common.
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;50471452]Except most of the time skills can be applied in more than one place.
You can find several different interests that revolve around the same principles and complement each other, so when you do pick a path, your other interests make you better and more well-rounded at the job.
For example: I like TV/movie stuff, photography, design, and computers. I have an above-average knowledge of all of those things. When I eventually start a career in TV (hopefully in the editing field), my photography/movie knowledge will help me get a visual point across, my design knowledge will be useful in graphics or logos required in production, and computer skills are important will make a big difference, considering it's a digital editing-based job.
This way I'll have job security, because my fields of interest intersect in ways that I can use to my advantage. You're suggesting that people find one single interest and pursue it exclusively, which makes you less interesting and gives you less skills that can work in your job. [B]It's okay to pursue a lot of interests, as long as they have enough in common.[/B][/QUOTE]
I agree with that last part as long as the interests you're pursuing can complement each other. This is especially important when you're an artist.
next video will be called, suicide is the answer.
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