What if my passion is performing a trade job, and I'm going to University to get better at it? What then, Mike Rowe? Checkmate. All I need to do is keep my heart beating and I'll make it.
He's over simplifying, but for the most part he is right. Its funny seeing so many people here just who don't want to believe what he says, but then again there is a wide range of ages of people here, many who are still young and naive.
Essentially just do what you are good at. If your passion and ability are in line, then all is fine, but if they aren't he recommends trying other things because you might become passionate about something else.
[QUOTE=pedrus24;50470968]How is someone born with talent exactly? You pop out of your mother and you can play violon like a god instantly?[/QUOTE]
Good job taking my first sentence out of context, withholding the rest of my post which defines exactly what talent means in comparison to skill.
Talent is a combination of genes and under what conditions you were born in as well as grew up to be a toddler in (Though environmental effects on the brain probably continue till the age of 12. Take it with a grain of salt - I'm not a doctor). What talent means is how much of an affinity you have with certain subjects and fields.
Talent basically means how naturally and chemically suited you are for that specific skill or field. The more talented you are, the more you intuitively understand the basics of a certain skill. (Note: intuitively understand doesn't mean know things and have skills out of nowhere, it means your learning curve will be far leaner than it will be for others).
Talented people reach from nothing to mediocrity really fast. Really talented people can continue progressing smoothly even further, while the rest require far harder work to accomplish the same results.
I guess a better way to word my statement would be "Don't confuse innate talent with acquired talent", to avoid misunderstandings. Nevertheless, you shouldn't have stretched that far without taking the rest of my post into consideration. The fact that you had to omit most of my post shows how your rebuke originates from a logical fallacy.
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Take, for example, sports. Say your dream is to be a competitive runner or swimmer. If you genetically have short legs and bad knees, no amount of effort can help you even making the trials. The same distinctions exist for fields not related to sport. They are harder to detect, analyse and compare, but they're definitely there. My point was that it CAN happen, and you shouldn't let it ruin our life IF it does. People in the thread were acting as if that's not even possible.
When I was a freshman in high school, we had to take a college & career class. The teacher was kind of a no nonsense college professor and gave pretty similar advice as this video. As a heavily impressionable, awkward teenage who was already having trouble fitting in, that advice hit me super hard and made me not know what I wanted to do in life. It made me think all the things I ever liked doing like drawing and being interested in nature were pointless wastes of time that would never amount to anything and that I should just stop.
It made me overthink whether or not if me getting into something was worth doing and I would just forget about it and think about doing something else. That feeling lasted pretty well after I graduated and only for about a year now have I been focusing more on doing things that I enjoy, though I feel I still have a long way to go before that feeling of inadequacy goes away.
[QUOTE=Captain;50473760]When I was a freshman in high school, we had to take a college & career class. The teacher was kind of a no nonsense college professor and gave pretty similar advice as this video. As a heavily impressionable, awkward teenage who was already having trouble fitting in, that advice hit me super hard and made me not know what I wanted to do in life. It made me think all the things I ever liked doing like drawing and being interested in nature were pointless wastes of time that would never amount to anything and that I should just stop.
It made me overthink whether or not if me getting into something was worth doing and I would just forget about it and think about doing something else. That feeling lasted pretty well after I graduated and only for about a year now have I been focusing more on doing things that I enjoy, though I feel I still have a long way to go before that feeling of inadequacy goes away.[/QUOTE]
You can do it
[QUOTE=Karmah;50472396]He's over simplifying, but for the most part he is right. Its funny seeing so many people here just who don't want to believe what he says, but then again there is a wide range of ages of people here, many who are still young and naive.
Essentially just do what you are good at. If your passion and ability are in line, then all is fine, but if they aren't he recommends trying other things because you might become passionate about something else.[/QUOTE]
But what [I]are you good at[/I]? If you don't practice something, you'll never get the skill to do it. It's not like some people are just born with skills.
You can learn everything in the world, it makes sense to learn something you enjoy.
As some one who is studying to be an actor, this has always been some thing that's been in the back of my head. However, he kind of makes it sound like that following some thing you are passionate about makes you blind to what other jobs you can have potential at are around you.
I have thought long and hard about potential and safe net type jobs that would interest me and there honestly is not a lot at the current moment. I know I want to do some thing with film. It doesn't matter if I'm the lead role, or the sound guy. As long as I'm doing some thing in the film industry, I'll be happy with that. I try to think of as practically as possible and focus on why I'm doing it in the first place.
I know he's just trying to help students think in a way that's more down to earth, but he does so in a way that makes it sound like its bad even just to try some thing you like. When I was in high school, I wanted to be a musician. However, I was surrounded by negativity and people telling me that I can't do it, and it eventually killed my passion for music. In my senior year I took a theater class as a "knock off" class. I ended up finding that I enjoyed it and was surrounded by much more encouraging and positive people who kept telling me to do it.
The reason why Engineering and Programming are so high grossing and popular is because there is a high demand for them. And since they are in such demand, schools allows for an easier and safer route to take in order to achieve the occupation. With art degrees, it's a lot more like hopping along stones across a river. You have to actively seek out for the right people and the right places. Most importantly, you have to not get stuck with the people who say, "You can't do this because this," and try your hardest to find the people who say, "Yes you can do this. This is how you do it because this is how the successful people in the industry do it. Now go do it."
As long as you know why you are doing it and it exposes you to good people, then go for it. It's your life, do what ever the fuck you want.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;50469240]Please don't fucking take a word Mike Rowe says seriously, as a man whose street cred consists of pretending to be a blue collar worker for millions of dollars, let alone someone whose been part of fucking predatory trade school scam.
The people Rowe are backing have no fucking interest in helping you in anyway and are solely interested in putting as little effort as they need into fooling you into thinking you're on some "super safe industry standard path to a guaranteed career!" Trust me, I'm knee high in debt to a garden variety trade school and I know for a fucking fact best paid employee at any one of them is the fucker who markets it to vulnerable, desperate and directionless people.
I was lied to about the size of the school, what courses they offered and missed at least one third of the second semester there because teachers just quit and decided not to show up on a regular basis, ran pirated software on their computers for years and the "classes" I got were pretty much watered down highschool classes and told me it was all cheap. (It fucking wasn't) My story is not fucking unique, look up [B]Corinthian colleges[/B] and you'll see these types of schools have a LONG history of screwing innocent people over.
Mike Rowe is about as low as scum can get.[/QUOTE]
I think the problem here isn't that you didn't get fucked over because you went to a trade school, you got fucked over because you went to a [I]for-profit[/I] trade school. If people avoid those kinds of colleges then they're probably not going to be scammed.
Just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean everyone else will.
[QUOTE=Captain;50473760]When I was a freshman in high school, we had to take a college & career class. The teacher was kind of a no nonsense college professor and gave pretty similar advice as this video. As a heavily impressionable, awkward teenage who was already having trouble fitting in, that advice hit me super hard and made me not know what I wanted to do in life. It made me think all the things I ever liked doing like drawing and being interested in nature were pointless wastes of time that would never amount to anything and that I should just stop.
It made me overthink whether or not if me getting into something was worth doing and I would just forget about it and think about doing something else. That feeling lasted pretty well after I graduated and only for about a year now have I been focusing more on doing things that I enjoy, though I feel I still have a long way to go before that feeling of inadequacy goes away.[/QUOTE]
here is a wonderful example of the effect messages like these ones, if spoken with authority, can have on young impressionable people. it will likely lead to unhappiness.
that's why this video is so detestable, good intentions aside.
[editline]8th June 2016[/editline]
if their passion really isnt viable even after serious attempts and focus, a lot of people will come to this conclusion on their own. but find me a single person who gave up their passion who regrets even trying for it. it's a choice people need to make on their own after actually giving it a real go. nobody should ever be discouraged from trying.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50464221]Some of the videos on this channel are pretty bad, others are very good.
Of course they have a conservative bias. But most of everything has a bias, and as far as I'm concerned this is balance against a sea of left-leaning channels on YouTube.[/QUOTE]
I have no problems with conservative bias as long as it's genuine and they have the heart of wear it on their sleeve. I don't like how Prager "University" works full-time as propaganda; not simply presenting arguments to leftist but degrading, insulting, and establishing strawmen of the left through the veritable right-wing gold mine that is the social justice movement. It comes across as disingenuous, cynical, and underhanded. Then there is also the part where it's not a university at all and presents it's crap as academic. The right has been raging against the liberal takeover of education for decades now and what they are doing is just as bad, if not worse.
That of course isn't to say that I disagree with the first statement; I've seen more than a handful of videos posted on the channel that are generally pretty agreeable, and the ones that I don't personally agree with present solid arguments. It just needs to be kept in mind that the outfit as a whole is more or less a propaganda station and I really don't like it.
This looks like some kind of conservative/evangelist think tank
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJWq1FeGpCw[/media]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/xl3SnSN.jpg[/img]
Okay, so it's literally propaganda.
[QUOTE=OvB;50475137]This looks like some kind of conservative/evangelist think tank
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJWq1FeGpCw[/media]
Okay, so it's literally propaganda.[/QUOTE]
holy fuck i've never seen anyone misuse data or completely miss the point of green-thinking to such a degree
[editline]7th June 2016[/editline]
some of these thumbnails too lawdy lawd
[t]https://www.prageru.com/sites/default/files/styles/course_video_featured/public/courses/feature-image/5-how-do-we-make-society-better-feature02.png?itok=w9JV16Rl[/t]
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;50473964]But what [I]are you good at[/I]? If you don't practice something, you'll never get the skill to do it. It's not like some people are just born with skills.
You can learn everything in the world, it makes sense to learn something you enjoy.[/QUOTE]
Some people ARE better at some things, and also aren't so good at some other things. Problems can arise when people are bad at the thing they are doing (even if it is detrimental to their lives) but continue doing it anyways.
Like I said, this video is a generalization. Obviously not all people are skill-less or are doing something they are bad at.
This isn't aimed at highschool students who may not know yet what they can and cannot achieve.
The take away point is "know your limits". Someone who is godawful at math and can't remember formulas or even remember OF formulas and cant apply an inch of it beyond a grade 2 level probably shouldn't have their heart set on being a physicist.
Don't blindly follow your dreams, but never forget you had them.
[QUOTE=OvB;50475137]This looks like some kind of conservative/evangelist think tank
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJWq1FeGpCw[/media]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/xl3SnSN.jpg[/img]
Okay, so it's literally propaganda.[/QUOTE]
jesus christ
[QUOTE=OvB;50475137]This looks like some kind of conservative/evangelist think tank
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJWq1FeGpCw[/media]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/xl3SnSN.jpg[/img]
Okay, so it's literally propaganda.[/QUOTE]I want to smack him
[QUOTE=Karmah;50475597]Some people ARE better at some things, and also aren't so good at some other things. Problems can arise when people are bad at the thing they are doing (even if it is detrimental to their lives) but continue doing it anyways.
Like I said, this video is a generalization. Obviously not all people are skill-less or are doing something they are bad at.
This isn't aimed at highschool students who may not know yet what they can and cannot achieve.
The take away point is "know your limits". Someone who is godawful at math and can't remember formulas or even remember OF formulas and cant apply an inch of it beyond a grade 2 level probably shouldn't have their heart set on being a physicist.[/QUOTE]
The video completely misconstrues it's own point though. It generalizes to a heavy degree and acts as if what you have a passion for cannot lead to something fruitful at all which is literally incorrect.
Skill is obtained through training and practice. If you practice and just can't do something you tend to stop and I don't know anyone over 20 who has tried to keep doing something despite not making any progress.
The whole concept of "being born with talent" is total bullshit. Generally speaking what you focus on and do in your formative years ends up dictating a near infinite number of factors and if we take artists for example the good ones are generally the ones that were drawing from an early age.
This does give people an edge but I would put money on the fact that anyone is capable of doing almost anything if they train/practice hard enough and adjust to the correct mindset. Some just get a better start than others.
I guess this is true if you just aren't/can't be properly disciplined. I already realized that I just don't have the discipline to get good enough at any of my passions so I'll probably just go into a trade.
tbh thinking about it, this video may just exist to convince people to pick up trades instead of trying to be a signer/etc
not sure I can trust a channel that posts any type of propaganda
[QUOTE=spekter;50475876]The video completely misconstrues it's own point though. It generalizes to a heavy degree and acts as if what you have a passion for cannot lead to something fruitful at all which is literally incorrect.
Skill is obtained through training and practice. If you practice and just can't do something you tend to stop and I don't know anyone over 20 who has tried to keep doing something despite not making any progress.
The whole concept of "being born with talent" is total bullshit. Generally speaking what you focus on and do in your formative years ends up dictating a near infinite number of factors and if we take artists for example the good ones are generally the ones that were drawing from an early age.
This does give people an edge but I would put money on the fact that anyone is capable of doing almost anything if they train/practice hard enough and adjust to the correct mindset. Some just get a better start than others.[/QUOTE]
I really wonder if you guys actually watched it. Never does it say to ignore your passions, never does it say that they can't be useful, never does it say that no one can utilize their passion in their day to day life in a career. All it says is that you shouldn't let your passion get in the way of being a productive person who provides for themselves.
By all means, go for your passion, but if you have to depend on your parents and/or the government to do so, then you probably should just start working and keep the passion a hobby.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50475919]tbh thinking about it, this video may just exist to convince people to pick up trades instead of trying to be a signer/etc
not sure I can trust a channel that posts any type of propaganda[/QUOTE]
that's pretty clear.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50475959]I really wonder if you guys actually watched it. Never does it say to ignore your passions, never does it say that they can't be useful, never does it say that no one can utilize their passion in their day to day life in a career. All it says is that you shouldn't let your passion get in the way of being a productive person who provides for themselves.
By all means, go for your passion, but if you have to depend on your parents and/or the government to do so, then you probably should just start working and keep the passion a hobby.[/QUOTE]
He's basically generalizing younger people today by saying they are afraid of committing to something which is bullshit.
He outright says he tried to do what he liked and stopped the minute he failed so what am I supposed to take from this other than it's a badly formulated point from a person who is biased?
Combine that with all the other bullshit surrounding him and the other viewpoints this channel seems to be funneling out and you have to wonder if that's truly what they were conveying or if they just want to brainwash younger people into getting generic blue/white collar jobs because they themselves don't know jack about jobs outside of that area.
Like I said I don't know a single person who has a passion for something that they're bad at and pursues it to the point of no return despite making no progress or consistently performing baldy.
The ones that do learned on their own through repeated attempts that it wasn't going to become a profitable endeavor.
Regardless of what you think the people who made this video are heavily undermining young people and their tenacity to achieve something because of an uneducated personal bias. Can you honestly say you'd be comfortable doing a job you barely tolerate for the rest of your life spending your later years wishing you'd have at least tried? Because this video is essentially telling people to not try in a poorly veiled manner.
This video, I feel, is meant more to remind and inform those who are blindly following paths that are hard to follow. It doesn't apply to everyone, and more than like won't apply to the majority of people, but it is something people should keep in mind.
if you find a passion that you want a career in, you have to sit down and think about how much time you need to commit to be good at it.
some people may need to only put in a few hours a week, some people may need to put in a few hours every day. you have to make a mature decision whether you're willing to give up your free time for your passion (though honestly if it was your "passion" it would still count as "free time" for you). if you aren't willing to sacrifice the necessary time into it, then move onto something else.
people dropping stuff and saying that they'll "never be good at it" is bullshit because unless the only time they aren't honing their passion is when they're either sleeping or shitting, they just weren't willing to give up their free time for what they thought they were passionate about. which is be okay, because kids need to know that there's a choice besides "always follow your dreams" and "never follow your dreams".
"Passion" and "Dreams" should be contributing factors in what career you should one day pursue, but not the sole factors in what you want to do. They're a few of the things that should guide you on your final career, no point in doing a job you hate after all, but you should take in the fact the availability, profitability, and natural skill you possess when considering a career. Not taking all into account will result in being mighty unhappy.
[QUOTE=mrkaki;50473548]Good job taking my first sentence out of context, withholding the rest of my post which defines exactly what talent means in comparison to skill.
Talent is a combination of genes and under what conditions you were born in as well as grew up to be a toddler in (Though environmental effects on the brain probably continue till the age of 12. Take it with a grain of salt - I'm not a doctor). What talent means is how much of an affinity you have with certain subjects and fields.
Talent basically means how naturally and chemically suited you are for that specific skill or field. The more talented you are, the more you intuitively understand the basics of a certain skill. (Note: intuitively understand doesn't mean know things and have skills out of nowhere, it means your learning curve will be far leaner than it will be for others).
Talented people reach from nothing to mediocrity really fast. Really talented people can continue progressing smoothly even further, while the rest require far harder work to accomplish the same results.
I guess a better way to word my statement would be "Don't confuse innate talent with acquired talent", to avoid misunderstandings. Nevertheless, you shouldn't have stretched that far without taking the rest of my post into consideration. The fact that you had to omit most of my post shows how your rebuke originates from a logical fallacy.
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Take, for example, sports. Say your dream is to be a competitive runner or swimmer. If you genetically have short legs and bad knees, no amount of effort can help you even making the trials. The same distinctions exist for fields not related to sport. They are harder to detect, analyse and compare, but they're definitely there. My point was that it CAN happen, and you shouldn't let it ruin our life IF it does. People in the thread were acting as if that's not even possible.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure to follow what you're saying. Having long legs is a talent? And skill is using those legs to run fast with it?
Anyway, I think the point of the video is just to tell people that following your passion is not always a good way to make a living. And that you can still find a job as gratifying as your dream's one, even though it's less glorious.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50471161]These people saying how PragerU are 'garbage' can't see past their own bias.[/QUOTE]
PragerU is garbage, though? The videos I've seen are so selective with information that it's hard to call them even half-truths. Take the one on abortion laws - they only talk about weeks and counseling without mentioning poor access to abortion clinics, the type of counseling you receive or the other hoops some states make you jump through. An obligatory counseling session in Germany that informs you of your options is kinda different from mandatory ultrasound and counseling with the express purpose of discouraging you. To Prager it's preferable to leave information like that out, because it makes it seem like the pro-choice movement in the US is just [I]hysterical[/I].
The video in the OP is comparatively okay, though, and he's entitled to his opinion of course.
here's a better video on why giving up is a terrible idea just to counter-act the awfulness of the first one
oh this was already posted and i did not see it. but it is still good
[QUOTE=Maloof?;50469964]I have the same issue. So just tell yourself, 'fuck it'. Pick one of the things you want to do and go for it. Drop everything into it and see where that path leads.
Otherwise you'll spend the next few years standing in the same spot being unable to pick a path. Then the next few years. Then the next. Then you'll be old and grey and dying in a hospital bed, having accomplished nothing because indecision got in the way. If you're anything like me, you might be trying to be a perfectionist when it comes to life choices. Fuck that.
You might fail. You might not reach the place you were heading for. But that's nothing to be afraid of. Everybody fails sometime. The path you pick is going to branch out. Jobs are going to open up in unexpected places. You might study an elective paper and realise that's where your passions lie, you might meet a girl who plays golf, and you'll start playing, and soon you'll go pro. You mightl get fired and have to work in a bookshop and realise you're really good at helping people find stories and knowledge.
But if you stand around trying to make the perfect life choice, you'll regret it. Pick the path you like most and start running. If you don't have a favourite path, roll a dice. That hospital bed is coming for you no matter where you are, so you might as well do something interesting in the meantime.[/QUOTE]
you're post is an eye opener to me so I went and appiled for a bunch of stuff that i've been sitting one and am going for a fuck it and try it and instead of not now thank's for the eye opener
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