[QUOTE=snookypookums;44619304]
I'm not saying I agree with or like any of these people - but what they're doing is something I've witnessed a lot of my own friends go down. I don't talk to them much anymore, but I'm pretty sure one of them started doing this shit out in Birmingham. I broke off all contact when he tried to convert me, despite me knowing him for almost 20 years of my life.[/QUOTE]
I am sorry if what I said sounded as if directed towards everyone, but it really wasn't. This paragraph here shows how you and a lot of people like you are different from those who turn to violence and hate for whatever reason there is. Somehow you were able to withstand the pressure, as unjust it may be, and not become brainwashed loon. Like, again, many-many others. It means it's not impossible.
Yeah it may seem like it can happen to anyone and is based on circumstances etc, but it doesn't. There's literally no reason to cut these people slack.
And it might sound offensive, but honestly, people who move into a different country and then force their kids to live by their old ways are assholes, they actively defeat the purpose of them leaving their homeland in the first place.
is there not something you have to sign that's like "yes i will abide by the laws of the country i am emigrating to"
As someone from a muslim family these guys are frankly rather embarrassing
But it's thanks to people like this that I realised what a disgusting medieval way of thinking Islam is and why I vehemently renounced it
[QUOTE=Kentz;44617135]the western worlds modern view of tolerance sadly will not work in the long run together with mass immigration. in the end, the west (europe) will lose because it has no organised set of ethics unlike muslim extremists, whom are willing to work together and even sacrifice their lives for their cause. eventually, shit is going to clash. it already is, as shown in the video, but its going to get even worse.[/QUOTE]
The very much larger part of immigrants respect the law of the country they're immigrating to - even in countries like Iran, there are loads of people who want proper democracy, etc. Sure, there are some immigrants who do stuff like this, but the much larger part don't believe in sharia.
And I don't think the British First or whatever is better than they are, actually. Sure, the founder is pretty well-spoken and I agree with some of his points (well, only the ones that are fairly universal "don't enforce religious law", etc.), but if you look at the actual followers they're simply racist islamophobes, whatever Paul Golding might say.
[QUOTE=gudman;44622866]I am sorry if what I said sounded as if directed towards everyone, but it really wasn't. This paragraph here shows how you and a lot of people like you are different from those who turn to violence and hate for whatever reason there is. Somehow you were able to withstand the pressure, as unjust it may be, and not become brainwashed loon. Like, again, many-many others. It means it's not impossible.
Yeah it may seem like it can happen to anyone and is based on circumstances etc, but it doesn't. There's literally no reason to cut these people slack.
And it might sound offensive, but honestly, people who move into a different country and then force their kids to live by their old ways are assholes, they actively defeat the purpose of them leaving their homeland in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Hey man, no apologies needed - as I had mentioned, I can see where they're coming from, but they're still douchebags, but misguided idiotic ones. Given a different set of circumstances (for example, parents with a more liberal outset who are at terms with their children not really conforming to all of the culturtal norms that were enforced on them), people can turn out very different - I mean, if one looks around, you can find atleast ten cases of families where they assimilated quite well for every one that wall themselves in.
They don't deserve any slack at all - but if that's going to happen, then it needs to work both ways too - people should make more noise on the unseen forms of racism against communities.
Agreed with you on that - the thing is, in most cases (and especially in the cases of low - mid level skilled workers and their families) they're not coming to your host country because they want to leave their culture behind. They're coming to earn money, to gain wealth and status amongst their peers back home (if possible, use forex to their advantage, by a kickass bungalow back home and then return home to it when they retire which is actually the norm for a lot of old-school Punjabis in the UK).
I think my rather progressive father put it best when he observed such silly behaviour and said that it was a "coping mechanism" for first generation immigrants to whom their new western surroundings were completely alien and frightening. This combined with the fact that cultural norms for them stay frozen from the time they left their lands and it adds up to a lot of problems. Picture, in your mind, a man who left, say, US in the forties and then decided to move to current day New York. Imagine his reactions to most of the things you see today (gay culture, interracial relationships, women's rights, ) and you'll have a decent approximation of what it's like for some immigrants reaching your shores.
[editline]23rd April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;44623105]The very much larger part of immigrants respect the law of the country they're immigrating to - even in countries like Iran, there are loads of people who want proper democracy, etc. Sure, there are some immigrants who do stuff like this, but the much larger part don't believe in sharia.
And I don't think the British First or whatever is better than they are, actually. Sure, the founder is pretty well-spoken and I agree with some of his points (well, only the ones that are fairly universal "don't enforce religious law", etc.), but if you look at the actual followers they're simply racist islamophobes, whatever Paul Golding might say.[/QUOTE]
I want to immigrate and leave India (more so for reasons that having been raised abroad, I have very little in common with a bulk of my countrymen and I feel like an alien in my own country sometimes) and it never ceases to infuriate me when I see weenies like these guys being so bloody entitled when I would've got along just fine.
You guys realise that this is like a tiny amount of the Muslim population of the UK, right?
They should kick these anuses out of the country, and let the ones who actually want to follow our laws (eg the vast majority) stay in. We don't need them to be fully assimilated by us, there's no harm in most of their traditions. Most of this Islamic extremism is less than 70 or so years old in terms of common usage, and these are exactly the same as Christians who pick and choose certain parts of the Bible to brute-force their own bullshit agenda. Multiculturalism does actually work, as long as each participant is willing. If they're not, they can bugger off back to somewhere amongst like-minded individuals, because in Britain we respect the beliefs of others as long as you respect ours.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;44623990]You guys realise that this is like a tiny amount of the Muslim population of the UK, right?
They should kick these anuses out of the country, and let the ones who actually want to follow our laws (eg the vast majority) stay in. We don't need them to be fully assimilated by us, there's no harm in most of their traditions. Most of this Islamic extremism is less than 70 or so years old in terms of common usage, and these are exactly the same as Christians who pick and choose certain parts of the Bible to brute-force their own bullshit agenda. Multiculturalism does actually work, as long as each participant is willing. If they're not, they can bugger off back to somewhere amongst like-minded individuals, because in Britain we respect the beliefs of others as long as you respect ours.[/QUOTE]
nobody said anything about this not being a minority of muslims which is extremely obvious
[QUOTE=Impact1986;44616570]So telling people that immigrate to a country to abide the law of said country is racist, islamophobe and extremely right?[/QUOTE]
so did you get to the part where the english protesters started violently charging a muslim family that was at the courthouse for the murder of their child orrrrrrrrr
Being an Islamophobe really shouldn't be an issue. Honestly it's not a bad thing to be when there's a large amount of extremism in the religion. It needs to be stood up to and they exploit people being afraid of causing a stir.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44624360]Being an Islamophobe really shouldn't be an issue. Honestly it's not a bad thing to be when there's a large amount of extremism in the religion. It needs to be stood up to and they exploit people being afraid of causing a stir.[/QUOTE]
there's a difference between calling out bullshit and being a fuckhead who blames entire populations and ethnicities for the actions of a few.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44624360]Being an Islamophobe really shouldn't be an issue. Honestly it's not a bad thing to be when there's a large amount of extremism in the religion. It needs to be stood up to and they exploit people being afraid of causing a stir.[/QUOTE]
I can understand most people's apprehension though - Anjem Chaudhary is a nasty piece of work. Kind of like how the WBC are actually exceedingly good at toeing the line if the law while still being nuisances, these guys operate under the same sort of rules. Even in that video right there, it was the Britain First guy who got a bail condition keeping him out of London while Anjem Chaudhary, potentially influencing the guy who killed Rigby, walks free.
To defeat these crazy religious minority people you need to get creative - to humiliate them, because they'll pull out all the stops to make you look like a racist, bigoted dickbag and automatically make them look like the attacked community.
Living in the US, I only heard about these opposing groups in 2011 when someone posted this song.
[video=youtube;AIPD8qHhtVU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU[/video]
Just how long has this feud been going on? Is either group making leeway politically? I can't stand stuff like this still going on, even in a different country.
I wonder how america would react if they got these kind of muslims like we have in some european western countries which want to impose sharia zones and what not according to their ridicules religion. We've had so many problems with it in Denmark as well, and danes generally despise religion or radical islam more than ever since the uproar of muhammed drawings in 2006, where we got our flag burned. Here's an example
[video=youtube;Dwz9Wl3Bsu0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwz9Wl3Bsu0[/video]
What bothers me most is that government allows extremist immigrants harass their own citizens and even seems to support it by not doing anything.
[QUOTE=Aman;44616422][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1tEpjmFH9g[/media][/QUOTE]
20:24 Check out that hair haha soooo 1700s
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44625283]What bothers me most is that government allows extremist immigrants harass their own citizens and even seems to support it by not doing anything.[/QUOTE]
They coddle them so they don't appear racist. It's fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=noh_mercy;44625579]20:24 Check out that hair haha soooo 1700s[/QUOTE]
Because it's probably a Courthouse. They're dressed for Court.
This is going to be a very, very big problem in under a decade I would estimate, and it won't be the Muslims starting the issues, but rather the English nationalist buffoons.
[QUOTE=Kondor;44624162]nobody said anything about this not being a minority of muslims which is extremely obvious[/QUOTE]
I know it's obvious, I'm just used to some people (especially my family) basing their entire opinion of a religion from a few thousand extremists. I live in a part of the UK that's probably at least 90% white, so there's basically no contact with any minorities and most of the older people around here are at least a little bit racist.
Wtf 03:04-03:07, the guy shouting in the background, is that voice actor for one of the survivor voices in KF? For those who dont know:
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCDPsA9wrCc[/media]
[QUOTE=smfE;44625004]I wonder how america would react if they got these kind of muslims like we have in some european western countries which want to impose sharia zones and what not according to their ridicules religion. We've had so many problems with it in Denmark as well, and danes generally despise religion or radical islam more than ever since the uproar of muhammed drawings in 2006, where we got our flag burned. Here's an example
[video=youtube;Dwz9Wl3Bsu0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwz9Wl3Bsu0[/video][/QUOTE]
Considering our Police force isn't nearly as timid as the ones in Europe (in fact they're the opposite), blatantly refusing the law and harassing people like that would just get them arrested.
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;44625775]This is going to be a very, very big problem in under a decade I would estimate, and it won't be the Muslims starting the issues, but rather the English nationalist buffoons.[/QUOTE]Muslims have already started the issue by creating muslim regions and having religious police patrol the streets and pushing their beliefs by driving out alcohol and gays and other stuff, harassing anyone who doesn't match their tyrannical belief system.
maybe you guys should just remember that they're SAYING they don't accept british law, but if they commit a crime they definitely will be charged by it. they can say whatever they want once they stop being all talk they will get thrown in prison
[editline]24th April 2014[/editline]
that's the thing about the law, it doesn't really give a shit about you believing in it or not, otherwise i'm fairly sure britains already substantial prison population would be running far more amok
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44631439]maybe you guys should just remember that they're SAYING they don't accept british law, but if they commit a crime they definitely will be charged by it. they can say whatever they want once they stop being all talk they will get thrown in prison
[editline]24th April 2014[/editline]
that's the thing about the law, it doesn't really give a shit about you believing in it or not, otherwise i'm fairly sure britains already substantial prison population would be running far more amok[/QUOTE]
Except neither side is afraid of jail. There's plenty of people to take their side while they serve the sentence. That and they can be jailed only after they commit a crime.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44631453]Except neither side is afraid of jail. There's plenty of people to take their side while they serve the sentence. That and they can be jailed only after they commit a crime.[/QUOTE]
well i'll agree that jail isn't the end all to this problem (but i also think this isn't as much of a problem as people think, i highly doubt the crazy muslims are and ever will be numerous enough in britain to be a real problem) i still think it's like, whatever, they're talking a bunch of crap, if they act it out they get jailed. that's how it should be shouldn't it? i mean 'they can be jailed only after they commit a crime' seems like a good description of how a justice system should work
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44631474]well i'll agree that jail isn't the end all to this problem (but i also think this isn't as much of a problem as people think, i highly doubt the crazy muslims are and ever will be numerous enough in britain to be a real problem) i still think it's like, whatever, they're talking a bunch of crap, if they act it out they get jailed. that's how it should be shouldn't it? i mean 'they can be jailed only after they commit a crime' seems like a good description of how a justice system should work[/QUOTE]
The problem is, what they're doing (muslim patrols) is not considered a crime where it should be. It is not illegal in UK to open alcohol stores or walk around specific streets if you're gay. And yet these patrols bully people based on sharia. It should not be allowed but government doesn't give a fuck and instead accommodates such actions. It is amazing how such discrimination is allowed to exist with police doing jack shit.
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