[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;50047664]
You're focusing on the symptom of the problem - this particular video. Expand your viewpoint to see the greater problem as a whole. This happens with videos and news stories of all types, and it ought to stop. It's counterproductive to meaningful discussions[/QUOTE]
The problem with this type of thread is that no meaningful discussion can be had. Its ends up boiling down to people spouting the same exact rhetoric at people who know nothing of what they talk about ad nauseum until the thread dies.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;50047746]The problem with this type of thread is that no meaningful discussion can be had. Its ends up boiling down to people spouting the same exact rhetoric at [b]people who know nothing of what they talk about[/b] ad nauseum until the thread dies.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what I'm trying to prevent by getting people to consume the source text.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;50047746]The problem with this type of thread is that no meaningful discussion can be had. Its ends up boiling down to people spouting the same exact rhetoric at people who know nothing of what they talk about ad nauseum until the thread dies.[/QUOTE]
There isn't even a discussion, really. There's been numerous legal, medical, and scientific rulings and agreements on transgender people. It's been found time and time again that there's nothing wrong with them, nor is there anything that needs to be "cured" and that the best course of action is go through with gender transition. Yet time and time again we see these kind of videos cropping up by these "intellectuals" who try to present their issue with transgender people in such a "calm, facts based, and rational" way and it never really is. Not even mentioning the tons of diatribe and blatant misrepresentation of facts or just straight up wrong and not factual statements. These are the same type of people who would, and i'm 99% certain of this, argue with you for hours about religion or how global warming is real because science said so(which it is, i'm not saying its not.)
And despite that, they come to subjects like this rejecting the very scientific basis that they're so fond of. Not to mention the medical and legal communities view of it. It really boggles my mind how people who are usually so smart on other subjects come at transgenderism like a caveman. What's worse is because the videos are usually so "calm and intellectual, with nothing but facts" it gives other bigots a reason to feel like they're validated in their usually misplaced feelings.
Sad, really.
[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;50047781]That's exactly what I'm trying to prevent by getting people to consume the source text.[/QUOTE]
The "source text" (by which I assume you mean the video) has literally no substance to it and was clearly made by someone with at best a cursory understanding of the subject being discussed.
[QUOTE=Chaplin;50047262]as usual, I really regret reading the youtube comments[/QUOTE]
It's actually kind of weird and intriguing how determined a lot of them are on whatever this guy says is right. Like, usually videos like this still have a significant backlash that you're able to notice as soon as you look at the likes and dislikes or comments, but not here.
I dunno. He could just be deleting negative feedback, or something.
[QUOTE=Paige;50047806]global warming is real because science said so.
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I'm sorry but I agree with you for the most part but that part contradicts everything you just said.
"Transgenderism is supported by science and thus there is nothing wrong with it"
"Global Warming is supported by science but obviously its wrong"
Thats basically saying "Science is correct if I agree with what they're saying."
[QUOTE=Kyle902;50047840]I'm sorry but I agree with you for the most part but that part contradicts everything you just said.
"Transgenderism is supported by science and thus there is nothing wrong with it"
"Global Warming is supported by science but obviously its wrong"
Thats basically saying "Science is correct if I agree with what they're saying."[/QUOTE]
No, global warming is real, i was just using it as an example of something people disagree with despite science saying otherwise.
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As in, the types of people who know its real would argue with people who think it's fake using science as their basis for why global warming does exist. but they can't use science to understand transgender people.
[QUOTE=Paige;50047861]No, global warming is real, i was just using it as an example of something people disagree with despite science saying otherwise.[/QUOTE]
The way you worded it means the exact opposite of the message you where trying to convey.
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Lol what the hell is with you lot refusing to watch a video because you'll end up giving the uploader a quarter of a cent in revenue.He could be wrong in whatever nonsense he's spouting but it would be better off if at least one of you can give a good opposing view to him instead of bitching about how "ohh this guy is definitely a bigot,he doesn't deserve to have an audience to listen". Ummm I can understand your reasoning but imagine you at the other side of the coin trying to argue why body dysphoria is real and why hormone treatment or whatever is the way to treat it.
The thing I don't get is that people who transition are a lot happier so who cares what they do? Their "illness" will not kill them or harm others, so who cares. It all comes down to people wanting to control what others do.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;50047935]The thing I don't get is that people who transition are a lot happier so who cares what they do? Their "illness" will not kill them or harm others, so who cares. It all comes down to people wanting to control what others do.[/QUOTE]
The guy in the video is trying to argue that transitioning is a form of self harm and he cites like only 1 or 2 cases where a person wanted to transition back
But yeah you're not wrong, I don't get why others get so upset and try to control what people do with their life.
[QUOTE=Katatonic717;50047981]The guy in the video is trying to argue that transitioning is a form of self harm and he cites like only 1 or 2 cases where a person wanted to transition back
But yeah you're not wrong, I don't get why others get so upset and try to control what people do with their life.[/QUOTE]
It's kinda funny, I tried looking for "cosmetic surgery self harm" and I couldn't find similar views to that in the video regarding pretty much any other part in the body.
Do people only care if its "self harm" related to genitalia?
[QUOTE=Katatonic717;50047981]The guy in the video is trying to argue that transitioning is a form of self harm and he cites like only 1 or 2 cases where a person wanted to transition back
But yeah you're not wrong, I don't get why others get so upset and try to control what people do with their life.[/QUOTE]What about that website he cited with people wanting to transition back?
[QUOTE=Killer900;50048117]What about that website he cited with people wanting to transition back?[/QUOTE]
an extreme minority amount of cases is not even close to sufficient evidence for that claim
[QUOTE=Killer900;50048117]What about that website he cited with people wanting to transition back?[/QUOTE]
What about all the people who don't want to transition back and are happy now?
David Bowie was gay for a short amount of time but he switched back. A lot of people then freaked out and said, "See? Gay people can do this too." What they are missing is that he was experimenting, and some people do need to experiment to figure themselves out. We shouldn't be condemning people for the ones that play with the idea but reach a conclusive return to their previous sexual orientation/gender.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;50048153]What about all the people who don't want to transition back and are happy now?[/QUOTE]Idk? I checked out that website, I thought it was going to be more akin to a forum but it seems like it's just a site trying to push an agenda and sell people books and shit. They're "examples" list is only 6 links long..
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50048165]David Bowie was gay for a short amount of time but he switched back. A lot of people then freaked out and said, "See? Gay people can do this too." What they are missing is that he was experimenting, and some people do need to experiment to figure themselves out. We shouldn't be condemning people for the ones that play with the idea but reach a conclusive return to their previous sexual orientation/gender.[/QUOTE]
David Bowie regretted his "coming out" because it was bullshit, didn't he?
[QUOTE=Saturn V;50048219]David Bowie regretted his "coming out" because it was bullshit, didn't he?[/QUOTE]
[quote]In a 1983 interview with Rolling Stone, Bowie said his public declaration of bisexuality was "the biggest mistake I ever made" and "I was always a closet heterosexual". On other occasions, he said his interest in homosexual and bisexual culture had been more a product of the times and the situation in which he found himself than of his own feelings.
Blender asked Bowie in 2002 whether he still believed his public declaration was his biggest mistake. After a long pause, he said, "it was a lot tougher [here] in America [than in Europe]. I had no problem with people knowing I was bisexual. But I had no inclination to hold any banners nor be a representative of any group of people". Bowie said he wanted to be a songwriter and performer rather than a headline for his bisexuality, and in "puritanical" America, "I think it stood in the way of so much I wanted to do".
Buckley wrote that Bowie "mined sexual intrigue for its ability to shock", and was probably "never gay, nor even consistently actively bisexual", instead experimenting "out of a sense of curiosity and a genuine allegiance with the 'transgressional'".[/quote]
This was definitely something he was ashamed of.
[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;50047209]Disregard the content and the point of view of this video. I need to point out something pressing: you're both commenting and passing judgement on something you have not watched.
This video is fifteen minutes long. By the time this thread was ten minutes old - I refreshed at 10 minutes into the video in order to ensure this - it already had seven dumb ratings. [b]Apparently, seven people watched a 15 minute video in 10 minutes[/b] - or they just read the title and rated dumb without consuming the contents. People are passing judgement on something that they have not seen or read yet. That is terrifying. You are either so close-minded that you do not want to hear an opinion that differs from yours, or so insecure in your beliefs that you do not want to hear an opinion that differs from yours. Watch the video before you comment on it.[/QUOTE]
Or they already seen the video??
I think what is really the problem is that people don't understand that a person's sexuality and gender can be a heavily fluctuating needle on a spectrum. Experimentation is a good thing in both instances and the ideas of "coming out" and declarations of their labels are unhealthy.
People change a lot throughout life and to assume that sexuality and gender are innate, unshakeable feelings in every human being puts a lot of pressure on everyone to publicly define themselves according to potentially temporary feelings and thoughts.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;50047121]Funnily enough, becoming transgendered is literally curing gender dysphoria.[/QUOTE]
is it really though, or is it just treating the symptoms instead of the root cause?
What these videos come down to is someone not trained in psychology talking about psychology as though they're an expert. We dismiss people who talk about evolution or climate change when they're uneducated ideologues, let's just do the same with this.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;50047160]Dude I didn't even watch the video and I know you're correct.[/QUOTE]
If you didn't watch it then how can you know he's correct?
I watched the video. it was shit and exactly what I expected
[QUOTE=J$ Psychotic;50047272]Whether or not I agree with the video is irrelevant. The concept of consuming material before commenting on it is universal.[/QUOTE]
if someone offered me a can of shit and said "this is nice, take a drink", I don't need to consume the entire can to confirm it's shit. I can just take a whiff and with 99% accuracy I can deduce that it is shit. especially when I've drunk entire cans of shit before that look, taste and smell the exact same as this one. the same concept applies here, with the thumbnail and the title.
To the people who don't want to give the video views I think it doesn't up the view counter if you watch it through the embed here instead of on the actual youtube site
[QUOTE=Turnips5;50049982]
if someone offered me a can of shit and said "this is nice, take a drink", I don't need to consume the entire can to confirm it's shit. I can just take a whiff and with 99% accuracy I can deduce that it is shit. especially when I've drunk entire cans of shit before that look, taste and smell the exact same as this one. the same concept applies here, with the thumbnail and the title.[/QUOTE]
I hate the idea that every single opinion is sacred and worth equal consideration. This is why people think science class needs to "teach the controversy" over Earth maybe being created 6000 years ago by God. It makes us dumber.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50050022]I hate the idea that every single opinion is sacred and worth equal consideration. This is why people think science class needs to "teach the controversy" over Earth maybe being created 6000 years ago by God. It makes us dumber.[/QUOTE]
considering the facts behind every opinion is fine, it only starts being stupid when people keep arguing for the opinion despite all evidence to the contrary (as with biblical creationism, "Transgender is a MENTAL ILLNESS REEEEEEE", etc.)
he compares transgender people to otherkin in the first couple minutes
he goes on to blatantly misrepresent statistics regarding suicide rates of post op transsexuals and detransitioners
he also found one whole doctor that's willing to rubberstamp his views (that means they're science)
really nice production quality though
[QUOTE=PsiSoldier;50049879]is it really though, or is it just treating the symptoms instead of the root cause?[/QUOTE]
[I]yes[/I]
all it takes is 5 seconds to google shit like the APA and find out that yes, indeed, hormone therapy and acceptance of transgender individuals is generally psychologist and psychiatrist approved
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