[QUOTE=PsiSoldier;50053408]well no shit, but unfortunately that's irrelevant to what i said since something being 'generally approved' is no indication that it's the 'cure' to a given illness, or if it's just a stop-gap that deals with the symptoms instead of the actual underlying problem; you just have to look at the dark history of mental health see that.[/QUOTE]
would you deny HIV-positive people anti-retrovirals on the grounds that it's "not a real cure" and "only deals with the symptoms"?
[QUOTE=verynicelady;50047220]Basically the video maker thinks gender reassignment is self-harm with help from the medical profession. [/QUOTE]
That's one hell of a slippery slope
[QUOTE=proch;50053873]That's one hell of a slippery slope[/QUOTE]
I believe that gender dysphoria can lead to self harm (mainly because of the depression that seems to come with it), but depending on how you look at it, being able to assign a gender to yourself can lead to more of that harm by others who find enough hate in their hearts to do something about it violently.
We live in a time where life has found a way to scapegoat problems onto others once again, and depending on what we do against those ordeals, we'll shape history for the better or worse.
[QUOTE=gufu;50052086]You are literally defining gender as sex, literally defining people's gender by their sexual organs. In all honesty, I'm confused as to why you have never brought this up to a qualified psychologist/psychiatrist, instead of taking up a twisted stance on something by downgrading it to a mere (by your description) sexual fetish. You don't become male or female through the transition - you already psychologically are. Transition merely assists in acclimation to your existing body and shaping it to one's existing psychological profile. It's not a "what if" situation where someone goes "I wonder if I was a boy/girl" - it is quite literally someone being of a specific psychological gender not matching the one developed during their pre-birth processes. Also, associating being gay and transgender doesn't even make sense, as one's sexuality and another is a label for an individual who has a gender dysphoria and is transitioning.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the technology available today would make [i][b]me[/b][/i] feel like an actual female. There are too many weird quirks about the transition process (which I have outlined in detail in my original post) which would remind me pretty much on a daily basis that I am not genuine. I want to change my sex, not my gender. And that's why I choose not to transition. I'd rather be a genuine male than a pseudo-female.
When I was associating being gay with transitioning, I was comparing the respective processes of fully realizing your "coming out". Being gay works pretty well because you don't have to do anything to be gay. With being transgender, you have to physically change your body and chemistry, which may or may not be successful.
With regards to your definition of transgender, you seem to seem to assume that there is a [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_binary]gender binary[/url]. In my own personal experience I do not think that such a thing is real. I have days where I feel feminine and days I feel masculine. It's just that I more often feel feminine more often than I feel masculine. But those days where I feel masculine certainly exist, so I feel I am comfortable in not transitioning until the technology gets better (which may not be in my lifetime, but that's life).
[QUOTE=Turnips5;50053787]would you deny HIV-positive people anti-retrovirals on the grounds that it's "not a real cure" and "only deals with the symptoms"?[/QUOTE]
hold on, who said i'd deny anyone anything? i think you're reading far too much into what i said and making some unjustified assumptions, mate.
[QUOTE=dds98;50054375]I don't think the technology available today would make [i][b]me[/b][/i] feel like an actual female. There are too many weird quirks about the transition process (which I have outlined in detail in my original post) which would remind me pretty much on a daily basis that I am not genuine. I want to change my sex, not my gender. And that's why I choose not to transition. I'd rather be a genuine male than a pseudo-female.
When I was associating being gay with transitioning, I was comparing the respective processes of fully realizing your "coming out". Being gay works pretty well because you don't have to do anything to be gay. With being transgender, you have to physically change your body and chemistry, which may or may not be successful.
With regards to your definition of transgender, you seem to seem to assume that there is a [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_binary]gender binary[/url]. In my own personal experience I do not think that such a thing is real. I have days where I feel feminine and days I feel masculine. It's just that I more often feel feminine more often than I feel masculine. But those days where I feel masculine certainly exist, so I feel I am comfortable in not transitioning until the technology gets better (which may not be in my lifetime, but that's life).[/QUOTE]
you should rather talk to a psychiatrist than obsess on it on your own
[QUOTE=Saturn V;50054549]you should rather talk to a psychiatrist than obsess on it on your own[/QUOTE]
I'm not obsessing about it. I saw this thread, and noticed some bias in here. I'm simply giving my perspective as a genderfluid person.
[QUOTE=PsiSoldier;50054409]hold on, who said i'd deny anyone anything? i think you're reading far too much into what i said and making some unjustified assumptions, mate.[/QUOTE]
okay, fair enough, you didn't actually say you'd deny anyone anything. still, the point stands: why should anyone NOT take the only treatment available just because it's less than perfect?
[QUOTE=Turnips5;50055171]okay, fair enough, you didn't actually say you'd deny anyone anything. still, the point stands: why should anyone NOT take the only treatment available just because it's less than perfect?[/QUOTE]
Because the treatment could not work?
Like, the anti-retrovirals metaphor isn't sufficient because that's a perfect cure. You said yourself that transition is less than perfect. A better analogy would be something like experimental chemo to treat a rare type of cancer. It could work and cure you, or it could make your life worse.
[QUOTE=dds98;50055207]Because the treatment could not work?
Like, the anti-retrovirals metaphor isn't sufficient because that's a perfect cure. You said yourself that transition is less than perfect. A better analogy would be something like experimental chemo to treat a rare type of cancer. It could work and cure you, or it could make your life worse.[/QUOTE]
it's not anywhere close to a perfect cure, you have to take these drugs for the rest of your life (like HRT) and there are [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_of_HIV/AIDS#Concerns"]quite a few concerns and nasty side effects[/URL] (not really like HRT at all). if you ever get cancer while taking ART, for instance, you're less likely to survive. I don't have the studies immediately to hand but medical transition is actually highly effective at dissipating dysphoria. I'll get back to you on that
[QUOTE=Turnips5;50055171]okay, fair enough, you didn't actually say you'd deny anyone anything. still, the point stands: why should anyone NOT take the only treatment available just because it's less than perfect?[/QUOTE]
i don't get what this has to do with what i said; i've literally said and implied nothing about whether people should or shouldn't be doing it, so idk why you feel you have to ask that.
This is not the place for general discussion of gender issues. People are not discussing the video, thread closed.
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