[QUOTE=simkas;51142542]Not really? I imagine the majority of people would think the movies you mentioned are bad and will like TFA, I don't really see any connection or correlation. They're barely comparable.[/QUOTE]
When Plinket says, "you didn't see it, but you're brain did", put it into context of a trained mind in music and hero's journey morality.
Transformers doesn't have the emotional gravity within it's score, not like a typical John Williams piece. Transformers also has flaws within it's film, but it has large explosions and pew pew sounds. Plus optimums kills someone in cold blood, the music playing is kinda bland while expressing what he's doing is fine. The ghostbusters murder scene is odd, I could post it in comparison but I think enough people seen it or heard about it to get the picture.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOOsQQ65xZ8[/media]
In addition transformers is mentioned in this video about the topic of Marvel's music. Which tfa has been hit with, there's an article or two out there talking about making the music minimalist.and other factors which fall into this trend of forgettable music.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs[/media]
goto 5:17 for film music intended not to be noticed as one example.
With a large number of movies with john william's music, they can be played without any sound except the orchestra or symphony, it's something that you can also singalong with. TFA falls into the marvel bland forgettable ness. Now there is one part [sp]when Rey is alone collecting stuff, her theme fits it well. Change how the notes are played, like breath more and accent some of it makes it a lot better, something a conductor can catch and change.[/sp]
The morality part I'm mentioning in tfa, [sp]is with Rey vs Kylo at the end. She got emotional, like a sith or dark jedi and the music doesn't carry the fight and doesn't replay what she is doing is wrong and is on the path of darkness. Just change the music to lets say a dark evil version of her theme, something you can get an earworm with. Changes the gripe with Rey's character, fit's within the rules of the hero's journey (I have to look this type of case up down to it's origins), gives Luke even more gravity in his minute of sad face. Finally changes the "we don't know we will see until 8 so maybe" to "the path is clear yet we don't know how it will be resloved"[/sp]
I want to stick with this thread being the center of the review then Star Wars itself, so I will add [sp]the part where vadar is talking about the dark side of the force while she's doing a similar thing like Luke did to vadar.[/sp] That felt so good knowing that I'm not alone in this.
[QUOTE=Pops;51142581]here's a better plinkett review, not made by plinkett or rlm
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg29Sa6QFes[/media][/QUOTE]
This wasn't a bad review, why the dumbs?
[QUOTE=ThePanther;51142786]I like that his main gripe this time was about how the Star Wars franchise has grown and changed into a consumer's nightmare, even more-so than during the prequels. With Disney holding the reigns, how long until the idea of a new star wars movie is as exciting as when they announced the newest, greatest marvel cinematic universe film? [sp]_____AntMan_____[/sp][/QUOTE]
I liked that it was his main gripe but I feel like everything he complained about I also pretty much knew and had conversations about already. Yes, the Star Wars Cinematic Universe is going to be fucking horrifying over the next several years. Yes, it's neat to have Star Wars back but it's going to be very controlled. Yes, TFA did do too much that was similar to ANH. Yes, it wasn't as bad as it could have been but certainly didn't strive super hard in a new direction.
[QUOTE=Ithon;51142478]If you liked transformers, ghostbusters 2016, or are devoid of a musical upbringing then you'll like tfa.
Tfa gets worse the more you are experienced with orchestral music and hero's journey/karma story telling. One part of music could had been replaced and it would had solved the problem which sticks out with one major character.
If you were fine Bill Muray just getting murdered buy a so called good person in ghostbusters, you'll be fine with this film.
(I can give detail to back what I'm saying up, but it goes into spoilers)[/QUOTE]
this is the most bizarre and illogical post ive ever read. this week maybe
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51142801]My brother graduated from fucking Oberlin Conservatory and he loves this movie.[/QUOTE]
so? you can like a movie but still know the music is shit. it had a good few cues here and there, but relied way too much on OT motifs. it felt very recycled, which is something you'd hear listening to williams' scores over the years, but it was never as noticeable as it was this time around.
I love how you're saying the Hero's Journey trope is inheriently bad.
No, in a character driven film or adventure film, you kind of need the Hero's Journey in one way or the other in order for your movie to not suck.
[editline]2nd October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pops;51142828]so? you can like a movie but still know the music is shit. it had a good few cues here and there, but relied way too much on OT motifs. it felt very recycled, which is something you'd hear listening to williams' scores over the years, but it was never as noticeable as it was this time around.[/QUOTE]
Generic maybe, but far from shit.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;51142825]this is the most bizarre and illogical post ive ever read. this week maybe[/QUOTE]
Like dumb movies, don't have an ear for music, like explosions and fighting, then TFA will be fine because you're probably not going to find the flaws.
How simple can I make that for you?
he's saying your post is illogical and dumb because you think the movie sucks for using tropes.
[QUOTE=Ithon;51142858]Like dumb movies, don't have an ear for music, like explosions and fighting, then TFA will be fine because you're probably not going to find the flaws.
How simple can I make that for you?[/QUOTE]
mate have a listen to yourself
'this entire film was terrible because of a few music choices'
you're going on about finding the flaws because you're an expert. and you're literally just regurgitating something someone else has said about modern music choice, acting like it's a brilliant observation of your own, and slamming the rest of the film for it.
and you're putting people who liked the film in the same umbrella as people who like action shit-fests like transformers. because of tfa's music. even though the film is in no way comparable other than forgettable music? matey i think you're being a delusional contrarian right now
also fight scenes are bad now? Wait what?
i can almost guarantee you that every frame a painting, who you seem to be parroting, would like tfa, and think you're being really weird
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51142870]he's saying your post is illogical and dumb because you think the movie sucks for using tropes.[/QUOTE]
the movie's score is is a lack luster john william's piece, that's not a trope.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;51142883]
'this entire film was terrible because of a few music choices'
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wasn't a few, majority could be improved. It's the trend of fill music now of days.
[quote]
you're going on about finding the flaws because you're an expert. and you're literally just regurgitating something someone else has said about modern music choice, acting like it's a brilliant observation of your own, and slamming the rest of the film for it.
[/quote]
I don't see myself as brilliant, but it so blatant for me it's bothersome to listen to and distracted me from enjoying the film, not everyone is going to have this problem.
People I know who write or play music for a living or hobby agree the music wasn't good compared to John William's previous works, people who I've talked to which weren't bothered by it were neither.
People I've talked to who saw the character flaw's in Rey, don't like Transformers or Ghostbusters 2016, the few people that I've talked to who like the new Ghostbusters didn't have a problem with Rey.
[quote]
and you're putting people who liked the film in the same umbrella as people who like action shit-fests like transformers, because of tfa's music. even though the film is in no way comparable other than forgettable music? matey i think you're being a delusional contrarian right now[/QUOTE]
No, was stereotyping people who liked transformers would like tfa, because it has explosions. IE If Tran = Good then TFA = Good.
Trying to go for, "If you like the bottom of the barrel for apples, you're going to enjoy the apples in the middle of the barrel. If you enjoy Oranges or just the top of the crop, disclaimer this apple has the type of busing that may bother you".
It's interesting, people kinda got the point until ones got in who were offended tfa thinking it was on bar to some shit movies getting confused over analyzing. Some thing with people who are fans of the prequels and is wasn't until after the 3 film had been out for a year or two, for civil discussion.
I do have grammatical and spelling errors that has always plagued me, and I do try to get my message across, this time I started small. But not going to bend over people being overly protective.
If you wanted a john williams quality seal of approval movie, this isn't for you, if you get irritated from a certain character flaw that isn't resolved properly, this isn't for you.
If you are offended because I'm using comparisons on something so heavily despised by a ton of demographics to make things transparent, I can't help you.
At least it wasn't one time where I said "I didn't like TFA, because the music wasn't good" that someone said to me, "Kill yourself". At least this thread is not as bad, but it's derailing from specific discussion of TFA and the prequel's flaws expressed in this video.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51142885]also fight scenes are bad now? Wait what?[/QUOTE]
um, duh. because reys theme song sucks..........
[QUOTE=Rusty100;51142891]i can almost guarantee you that every frame a painting, who you seem to be parroting, would like tfa, and think you're being really weird[/QUOTE]
Using orchestral music is a a significant or recurrent theme in movies. That's a trope.
[QUOTE=Ithon;51142895]the movie's score is is a lack luster john william's piece, that's not a trope.[/QUOTE]
yah and everyone pretty much agrees that the movie is good despite it's weak score
uve chosen a pretty stupid battle friend
Also, just because the music is bland or forgettable doesn't make the movie bad.
If the movie was based around the music or the music was actually bad, then yeah, but this score is neither.
you like the force awakens? pshyeah, somebody obviously didn't have a musical upbringing...
[QUOTE=Ithon;51142858]Like dumb movies, don't have an ear for music, like explosions and fighting, then TFA will be fine because you're probably not going to find the flaws.
How simple can I make that for you?[/QUOTE]
musicality has nothing to do with it, but i guess you did a good job of pretending its such an esoteric subject
was a good review but i guess nothing could live up to the older plinkett videos. Felt like it dwelled on the ring cycle thing a bit too mcuh
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51142931]TFA's musical score was still really good!
It was just the weakest Star Wars score. But considering that the Star Wars films have arguably the greatest film scores ever, I dunno, kind of a hard act to follow.[/QUOTE]
this is true. i attribute it's faults to john williams having been sick during writing/recording. still, with his name and reputation, there is a bit of expectation to be held.
it's just that imo, none of the tracks even hold a candle to something like this.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrpyAl0IvcQ[/media]
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51142931]TFA's musical score was still really good!
It was just the weakest Star Wars score. But considering that the Star Wars films have arguably the greatest film scores ever, I dunno, kind of a hard act to follow.[/QUOTE]
I also can't take people calling it out right bad seriously after you find out stuff like this exists:
[video]https://youtu.be/K8bPZlm2KXM[/video]
Did I forget what TFA's music sounded like the day after? Yeah. Did I wanna rip my ears out while listening to it? No.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51142962]I also can't take people calling it out right bad seriously after you find out stuff like this exists:
[video]https://youtu.be/K8bPZlm2KXM[/video][/QUOTE]
You take that back. This is the most amazing theme ever.
I really really disliked the first 50 minutes. It just felt like filler to compensate for the fact that he only had a few things to talk about.
Which really isn't his fault because I feel that fans would complain about it being too short.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51142962]I also can't take people calling it out right bad seriously after you find out stuff like this exists:
[video]https://youtu.be/K8bPZlm2KXM[/video]
Did I forget what TFA's music sounded like the day after? Yeah. Did I wanna rip my ears out while listening to it? No.[/QUOTE]
i can't tell if this is a video game or porno. it sounds suspiciously like both.
TFA was honestly a disappointment in both that I was disappointed in it as a film, and disappointed that there are so few who share that opinion.
Not because of music or whatever, but because it didn't need to hit the same exact beats as in a previous movie in order to "make it relevant" again or give fans a nostalgia trip. Star Wars is so big you don't need to remind people why, prequels or not. So it was just disappointing to be given a story that didn't tread anywhere new.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51143033]I really really disliked the first 50 minutes. It just felt like filler to compensate for the fact that he only had a few things to talk about.
Which really isn't his fault because I feel that fans would complain about it being too short.[/QUOTE]
There has been a seeming resurgence of love for the prequels as a means of slamming the new film though, and it is something worth dissection. I've never been particularly invested in Star Wars either way so I'm sort of watching the debate from arm's length. But I do find those lists journalists crap out to be very shallow.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51142931]TFA's musical score was still really good!
It was just the weakest Star Wars score. But considering that the Star Wars films have arguably the greatest film scores ever, I dunno, kind of a hard act to follow.[/QUOTE]
Unpopular opinion here but I think TFA's score works better emotionally than any of the prequel scores.
Though that is just me, the prequel scores (other than a couple pieces) sounded phoned in.
And I did have a big musical upbringing btw so that means im objectively right for some reason
This was a good review, but it felt weird when he pointed out the articles about people who hate the diverse cast, the new ghostbusters had a similar thing blown out of proportion as a marketing gimmick but for star wars he just takes it at face value, I doubt there were really that many people who hate the casting.
[QUOTE=Ithon;51142858]Like dumb movies, don't have an ear for music, like explosions and fighting, then TFA will be fine because you're probably not going to find the flaws.
How simple can I make that for you?[/QUOTE]
"Let me condescend about how good my taste is"
heh if a movie doesn't play Mozart's "leck mich im arsch" or Bach's "air on the g string" then the movie is DUMB AS HECK YOU IDIOTS
*leaves facepunch playing the finale of Tchaikovsky's 1812 overture*
[QUOTE=simkas;51142657]Plinkett reviews were never "relevant", he started doing [B]reviews of Star Trek movies from the 70s and 80s[/B], then did Star Wars reviews long after they were out, they've never done reviews on things that were still completely brand new and fresh.[/QUOTE]
err no he's only reviewed the TNG and JJ movies which are 1990s and onwards
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