[QUOTE=Ithon;51142858]Like dumb movies, don't have an ear for music, like explosions and fighting, then TFA will be fine because you're probably not going to find the flaws.
How simple can I make that for you?[/QUOTE]
The music might have been bland, sure, but I don't see how that makes the movie terrible. Good music can elevate a movie for sure, just look at Cinema Paradiso. But unless the music is horrendously bad, the music mostly just blends into the background of whatever is going on. So it just becomes a totally neutral thing.
Good music can make a good movie great, but okay music will make a good movie... good.
[editline]2nd October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gar;51143056]TFA was honestly a disappointment in both that I was disappointed in it as a film, and disappointed that there are so few who share that opinion.
Not because of music or whatever, but because it didn't need to hit the same exact beats as in a previous movie in order to "make it relevant" again or give fans a nostalgia trip. Star Wars is so big you don't need to remind people why, prequels or not. So it was just disappointing to be given a story that didn't tread anywhere new.[/QUOTE]
As someone who only watched the original Star Wars movies like last year, I thought TFA was alright. It wasn't the greatest movie ever but I still think it was entertaining enough.
[QUOTE=patq911;51141922]I haven't actually seen tfa yet. I want to watch this but I don't at the same time.[/QUOTE]
You'd be better off just watching A New Hope since TFA has an almost identical plot except it's worse. Apparently when disney heard people liked the style of the old films they decided to literally just remake one of them.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51142901]Using orchestral music is a a significant or recurrent theme in movies. That's a trope.[/QUOTE]
Okay, I see that now, thanks for clarifying that for me. On a side note, Rich Evans (played Lucas), has said in twitch chat he doesn't like the prequel music because it didn't feel like star wars.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51142917]Also, just because the music is bland or forgettable doesn't make the movie bad.
If the movie was based around the music or the music was actually bad, then yeah, but this score is neither.[/QUOTE]
Star wars movie to me is based around the music.
Hope this clears things up.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51143326]This is the hardest I've laughed today, thank you for this.
Maybe this video means we'll get Plinkett videos each following year for all the new Star Wars movies?[/QUOTE]
We'll probably only get them for the actual main series movies. The anthology stuff will probably just get HiTBs
[QUOTE=Ithon;51143312]Star wars movie to me is based around the music.
Hope this clears things up.[/QUOTE]
music is a small part of the whole package
you have to realise that it's not all about the music, right???
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51143221]You'd be better off just watching A New Hope since TFA has an almost identical plot except it's worse. Apparently when disney heard people liked the style of the old films they decided to literally just remake one of them.[/QUOTE]
Except for you know the almost entirely different character arcs (Kylo and Rey especially).
[editline]2nd October 2016[/editline]
Was TFA perfect? No. But was it a highly enjoyable Star Wars movie? Hell fucking yes.
My biggest worry is Star Wars getting stale though, that was one of my favorite things about Star Wars, there was only so much and then that was it. No more.
The talk about the background of the movie dragged for way too long and the discussion about the actual movie felt way too short and shallow.
I get that since it wasn't a "bad" movie that there isn't as much to talk about, but there were still things that could have been talked about.
[QUOTE=Thlis;51143489]The talk about the background of the movie dragged for way too long and the discussion around the movie felt way too short.[/QUOTE]
did you read the video thumbnail?
[QUOTE=meppers;51143501]did you read the video thumbnail?[/QUOTE]
I watched the video, it felt like 2 hours of background and 20 minutes of TFA.
I think it was actually 1 hour of background and 40 minutes of TFA.
Just as I expected it to be. Basically, saying it's an enjoyable movie, but does have some flaws here and there. Not nearly as flawed as the prequels, but just doesn't have the exact same magic as the original trilogy.
Didn't expect the whole splurge on the topic of Disney marketing the fuck out of the franchise and what it's become, but it was definitely welcome.
I don't really get why some people say it's shit or "worse than the prequels," but hey, if that's really their opinion, then fine. No need to dispute something that is subjective.
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51142514]wait what, the movie is almost a year old now, this seems very late[/QUOTE]
It's hard for Plinkett to review movies when Jay and Mike keep not fixing his VCR.
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51142514]wait what, the movie is almost a year old now, this seems very late[/QUOTE]
So?
You can't exactly just shit out every video like you want. Jay and Mike can do it, so can PrevRec, because they're just talking. This takes a huge amount of script writing, editing, and planning, even if it's literally just a dude talking on a couch. It needs to be crafted into something coherent and not made up on the spot.
That being said its not wrong to just make a video and call it a day. Game Grumps record, talk, mark an episode, talk some more, mark an episode, and repeat and they have like 7 episodes to be posted over the coarse of 7 days. Jack and Rich talk about a video game. This isn't a bad way to make videos of course, it actually works really well but shit changes when you have scripts, thick layers of editing, and other shit to do in your life.
you must learn the way of the f***
[QUOTE=Ithon;51143312]Star wars movie to me is based around the music.
Hope this clears things up.[/QUOTE]
i mean
it's not
[editline]how many times ahve you jerked off today?[/editline]
i mean that's fine for you to enjoy it on that level but you probably need to realize that everyone isn't you and they don't give half a fuck about the music
[editline]3rd October 2016[/editline]
considering score is one of the last things that is done in the filmmaking process you're pretty much destined to be wrong on that front fam
TFA wasn't bad. Sure they went too far in rehashing the originals and forcing fan service (though it's Star Wars, it was going to have a fairly simple adventure/fantasy plot structure regardless), but what matters most is the characters imo. A difference between Episode VII and IV is that VII is made to be part of a trilogy from the get go, and so characters have longer arcs (for instance Rey's past that has yet to be revealed). I think TFA will have a harder time standing on its own than A New Hope, especially if VIII and IX end up sucking.
Now about the review. I like his plot rewrite about the Starkiller, etc. I don't get the point of the Resistance in the actual film either. They could be merged into the Republic and it would change nothing. Since the film spends no time really explaining the political situation things should have been kept as simple as possible.
I don't agree with his sex complaint though, or at least it's not something that bothered me. Characters can show humanity through other ways than romance, and they do in the film.
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;51144335]i mean
it's not
[editline]how many times ahve you jerked off today?[/editline]
i mean that's fine for you to enjoy it on that level but you probably need to realize that everyone isn't you and they don't give half a fuck about the music
[editline]3rd October 2016[/editline]
considering score is one of the last things that is done in the filmmaking process you're pretty much destined to be wrong on that front fam[/QUOTE]
A good score can sometimes make or break a film though
[QUOTE=Ithon;51142858]Like dumb movies, don't have an ear for music, like explosions and fighting, then TFA will be fine because you're probably not going to find the flaws.
How simple can I make that for you?[/QUOTE]
This has to be the most anti-clever """observation""" I've seen in my life
at least come up with better reasons to criticize the movie
[editline]3rd October 2016[/editline]
Like just say Rey's tits weren't big enough and I'll accept it or something
god anything would be better than this
[editline]3rd October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=mchapra;51144928]A good score can sometimes make or break a film though[/QUOTE]
A good score is very important. But Avengers barely had shit for a score and it grossed out mad money. Some directors don't use music for a scene, and may even use none at all. Sometimes having NO score would be better.
Meanwhile you have RE 1 which imho had a [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L7mZH2u3Qc"]good score [/URL]and fucking blew, though that film has unbelievably glaring flaws I'm not even sure its fair to point it out.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51144963]A good score is very important. But Avengers barely had shit for a score and it grossed out mad money. Some directors don't use music for a scene, and may even use none at all. Sometimes having NO score would be better.
Meanwhile you have RE 1 which imho had a [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L7mZH2u3Qc"]good score [/URL]and fucking blew, though that film has unbelievably glaring flaws I'm not even sure its fair to point it out.[/QUOTE]
Well, yeah, a score can only do so much for a movie that isn't very well made. But then you have directors like David Fincher, who have experience in making music videos, who are very particular about who they collaborate with when making films and understand what music can change about a scene. You get really effective and subtle scores like Gone Girl or The Social Network that way.
But yeah, I agree, music isn't the end all be all. Though I also believe a good score can make a huge difference, if you get what I mean.
My issue is that JJ Abrams can't fucking shoot a fighting scene. Probably because he failed to get the same kind of fencing/martial artist choreographers.
[editline]3rd October 2016[/editline]
Actaully I have alot of issues with TFA as direct by JJ.
[QUOTE=mchapra;51144928]A good score can sometimes make or break a film though[/QUOTE]
That's definitely true but a good score revolves around the cinematography, not the other way around.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51146097]My issue is that JJ Abrams can't fucking shoot a fighting scene. Probably because he failed to get the same kind of fencing/martial artist choreographers.
[editline]3rd October 2016[/editline]
Actaully I have alot of issues with TFA as direct by JJ.[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with the fighting scenes in the new Star Wars?
tfa is no 'not terrible' that only the second half of the video talks about it, not to mention mostly about missed opportunities rather than things they fucked up.
hopefully episode viii will not feel like empire 2.0
[QUOTE=Swilly;51146097]My issue is that JJ Abrams can't fucking shoot a fighting scene. Probably because he failed to get the same kind of fencing/martial artist choreographers.
[editline]3rd October 2016[/editline]
Actaully I have alot of issues with TFA as direct by JJ.[/QUOTE]
The original trilogy had dick all in terms of choreography/fencing and did just fine. Fights felt more raw and emotional rather than cold and "professional."
Usually, the allure of the fights in the original trilogy and TFA is not the fight itself, but why they're fighting in the first place. Fighting just for the sake of fighting (what the prequels mostly do) just destroys any intensity and feeling behind them. They end up not feeling as powerful as they should be.
The only memorable fight for me in all of the prequels is the final bout between Anakin and Obi Wan (which goes on for way too long), and it's not because of the flashiness and choreography of the fight itself, but rather, because of the tensions that led up to it and bled into it.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51146097]My issue is that JJ Abrams can't fucking shoot a fighting scene. Probably because he failed to get the same kind of fencing/martial artist choreographers.
[editline]3rd October 2016[/editline]
Actaully I have alot of issues with TFA as direct by JJ.[/QUOTE]
The prequels had a bunch of martial artist choreographers and the fights in that were mostly fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51146148]What's wrong with the fighting scenes in the new Star Wars?[/QUOTE]
In every Star Wars movie, up until TFA, the cameras have always stayed back and kept each strike in the same shot like Chinese made Kungfu movies.\
You always saw the sword strikes happen first and then a close up or camera change. You saw the impact in one shot instead of multiple shots.
Even down to the different colored lightsabers, you know who is who even in darker scenes.
Compare that the shakeycam close up where every hit is a changed shot, you lose all the cheorgraphy, the power of the hit and the consequences of the strike. Instead you get three different strikes with limbs in different positions that remove the power behind them. You can see this in the first Star Trek movie he directed with the Sulu fight scene where to make up for that fact they're literally just swinging like idiots at eachother, they change the camera and make it look shakey to provide more action for it.
Samething in TFA which ruins the classic duels.
[editline]3rd October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=simkas;51146216]The prequels had a bunch of martial artist choreographers and the fights in that were mostly fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]
That's because we're talking about masters fighting, the original series didn't have that kind of fighting mainly because Luke was completely new to everything and Ben wanted to do something else.
If you've read about the original designs for the Original Trilogy, George wanted to do that kind of choreographed fighting.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51146218]That's because we're talking about masters fighting, the original series didn't have that kind of fighting mainly because Luke was completely new to everything and Ben wanted to do something else.
If you've read about the original designs for the Original Trilogy, George wanted to do that kind of choreographed fighting.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, because what George wanted to do is what would have been good, that's why the prequels were soooo great. Time has proven that probably the main reason why the originals were so good were because Lucas didn't have 100% complete control over them. The prequels proved that plentifully. He got his wish of doing stupid flashy overly-choreographed fight scenes and that pretty much just took out all the tension and impact that they could have had.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51146218]In every Star Wars movie, up until TFA, the cameras have always stayed back and kept each strike in the same shot like Chinese made Kungfu movies.\
You always saw the sword strikes happen first and then a close up or camera change. You saw the impact in one shot instead of multiple shots.
Even down to the different colored lightsabers, you know who is who even in darker scenes.
Compare that the shakeycam close up where every hit is a changed shot, you lose all the cheorgraphy, the power of the hit and the consequences of the strike. Instead you get three different strikes with limbs in different positions that remove the power behind them. You can see this in the first Star Trek movie he directed with the Sulu fight scene where to make up for that fact they're literally just swinging like idiots at eachother, they change the camera and make it look shakey to provide more action for it.
Samething in TFA which ruins the classic duels.[/QUOTE]
It's really not true. There are plenty of shots in the ending duel where you can clearly see the choreography. The shaky parts are only when Rey is running away from Ren down that canyon area and it makes perfect sense to have a hectic, moving camera during that part. It conveys the mood of the chase and Rey's frantic attempt to escape from Ren's attacks. The final part of the duel between Rey and Ren is completely clearly shot and you can see exactly what she's doing to him.
I think that this is one of my favorite lightsaber duels because it looks a lot like how a sword fight with laser swords would go. There's constant slashing of trees and sizzling of the snow on the ground as the two opponents bash at each other and both parties receive injuries throughout the fight. It comes second only to Empire's duel IMO.
[QUOTE=simkas;51146253]Oh yeah, because what George wanted to do is what would have been good, that's why the prequels were soooo great. Time has proven that probably the main reason why the originals were so good were because Lucas didn't have 100% complete control over them. The prequels proved that plentifully. He got his wish of doing stupid flashy overly-choreographed fight scenes and that pretty much just took out all the tension and impact that they could have had.[/QUOTE]
There's different ways to build tension that go to different audiences? I'm not saying the prequels are bad, but hand to hand fighting [B]needs to be shot[/B] in wide angle. And choreographic fighting doesn't have to do stupid flips and shit, they can be done to show the same 'raw' fighting in the Original Trilogy but because they're choreographed you can see the entire length of the fight without having immersion breaking cuts.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51146264]There's different ways to build tension that go to different audiences? I'm not saying the prequels are bad, but hand to hand fighting [B]needs to be shot[/B] in wide angle. And choreographic fighting doesn't have to do stupid flips and shit, they can be done to show the same 'raw' fighting in the Original Trilogy but because they're choreographed you can see the entire length of the fight without having immersion breaking cuts.[/QUOTE]
You might want to actually rewatch the fight in TFA:
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWF0f183tSA[/media]
There is zero shaky cam and more than half of the shots are quite far and are not super quick. And the parts that do have quick cuts are all very clear on what's actually happening.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51146218]
That's because we're talking about masters fighting, the original series didn't have that kind of fighting mainly because Luke was completely new to everything and Ben wanted to do something else. [/QUOTE]
In TFA the lightsaber fighting is done by 2 people who've never held a lightsaber before and a sith-in-training whose only experience with lightsaber-on-lightsaber combat was from a short-lived jedi school years prior, and the fights were still more exciting (in my opinion).
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