Mr. Plinkett's The Star Wars Awakens Review - General

[QUOTE=Oizen;51155214]As someone with no nostalgic connection to Star wars I had a hard time enjoying TFA. The movie just pauses to zoom into things that everyone cheered their asses over and I was just confused. I mean its a fucking lightsaber in a box guys get over it.[/QUOTE] I always thought that focusing so much on a weapon was a silly thing, even for the characters. "His lightsaber speaks to you" or whatever that was really made me feel like it was pandering. And like Plinkett himself says in a previous review it's that star wars was never about lightsaber: "Yoda never once trained luke with a lightsaber, the other stuff seemed more important".

[QUOTE=Oizen;51155214]As someone with no nostalgic connection to Star wars I had a hard time enjoying TFA. The movie just pauses to zoom into things that everyone cheered their asses over and I was just confused. I mean its a fucking lightsaber in a box guys get over it.[/QUOTE] pauses to zoom into things oh no, anything but the forbidden cinematic art of the close-up

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51156818]pauses to zoom into things oh no, anything but the forbidden cinematic art of the close-up[/QUOTE] especially on an item of fairly large importance within Star Wars.

I hadn't considered Poe and Finn but now it makes sense now that he mentions it. Though I disagree fundamentally that every film needs to have romance for it to have a heart. Sometimes that shit gets tiring to me but that's just me.

[QUOTE=IQ-Guldfisk;51156801]I always thought that focusing so much on a weapon was a silly thing, even for the characters. "His lightsaber speaks to you" or whatever that was really made me feel like it was pandering. And like Plinkett himself says in a previous review it's that star wars was never about lightsaber: "Yoda never once trained luke with a lightsaber, the other stuff seemed more important".[/QUOTE] Well lightsabers were always a fundamental part of the whole jedi identity. Luke received his fathers lightsaber and a decent bit of his limited training with Obi-Wan was using the lightsaber. The problem isn't focusing on lightsabers as an important element but more on mishandling of lightsaber choreography with people flipping around and swinging these extremely deadly weapons totally wantonly. One thing I really liked in TFA is the focus on the power of the force and lightsabers, whenever the force is used there's an ominous, powerful sound cue that gives an impression of almost eldritch energy, especially when you're in a theatre with a huge sound system all around you. Also as someone mentioned they give subtle and not-so-subtle demonstrations of the destructive power of a lightsaber. Subtle being how you can notice snowflakes melting on contact with the blade and how loud the hum is on Kylo Ren's saber, not so subtle being how they're shown cutting metal and trees like butter and Kylo using his crossguard to torture Finn during their fight by shoving it into his shoulder.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51157107]I hadn't considered Poe and Finn but now it makes sense now that he mentions it. Though I disagree fundamentally that every film needs to have romance for it to have a heart. Sometimes that shit gets tiring to me but that's just me.[/QUOTE] If anything, I think not having the obligatory, shoehorned relationship [I]adds [/I]heart.

not having it is okay, yes. but when the movie clearly steers toward it and then rey gives finn the comatose blue balls trip to the friend zone, it's a slap in the face.

[QUOTE=Pops;51157865]not having it is okay, yes. but when the movie clearly steers toward it and then rey gives finn the comatose blue balls trip to the friend zone, it's a slap in the face.[/QUOTE] It never steered toward it.

I thought it was just a thing of them being at least somewhat interested in each other but were both too social inexperienced/busy with other shit to approach each other about it (and also because it's the first fucking movie and maybe the writers want to build the relationship more before they commit to anything). Or at least just Finn wants the booty.

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51157885]It never steered toward it.[/QUOTE] maybe a slow burner, but it definitely did. they could also just be making rey oblivious to finn's attraction for her.

[QUOTE=Pops;51158141]maybe a slow burner, but it definitely did. they could also just be making rey oblivious to finn's attraction for her.[/QUOTE] I never ever saw Finn want for the whole entire film, I even watched it twice.

watch it again. if you don't catch on it, you need to get your eyes checked. i suggest you put on subtitles as well, so you can read the dialogue that clearly shows finn's got a thing for rey.

[QUOTE=Pops;51158441]watch it again. if you don't catch on it, you need to get your eyes checked. i suggest you put on subtitles as well, so you can read the dialogue that clearly shows finn's got a thing for rey.[/QUOTE] i can remember the film clear as day, and I think you need to see what a normal human friendship looks like.

I want Poe and Finn to be really gay together just because the amount of piss and hatred over it Star Wars would get would be glorious and the best part is that it'd be 100% immune to all verbal diarrhea that comes its way for something that isn't wrong in the slightest. Other shows and movies have already done it, but I feel Star Wars would be the first one that's big enough that it'd make a positive impact.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51158550]I want Poe and Finn to be really gay together just because the amount of piss and hatred over it Star Wars would get would be glorious and the best part is that it'd be 100% immune to all verbal diarrhea that comes its way for something that isn't wrong in the slightest. Other shows and movies have already done it, but I feel Star Wars would be the first one that's big enough that it'd make a positive impact.[/QUOTE] antagonizing people, no matter how dumb, is not how you foster tolerance and unlike gender, sexuality is irrelevant to someone's character outside of sex. if it's not important to a narrative it shouldn't be shoehorned in. gender should be celebrated, sexuality is irrelevant unless the subject matter is sex. making a character gay just because, or to piss off idiots, is terrible and is using a sexuality to push your agenda and parade it around like a dancing monkey, and it isn't showing any respect for the sexuality one bit.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;51158748]antagonizing people, no matter how dumb, is not how you foster tolerance and unlike gender, sexuality is irrelevant to someone's character outside of sex. if it's not important to a narrative it shouldn't be shoehorned in. gender should be celebrated, sexuality is irrelevant unless the subject matter is sex. making a character gay just because, or to piss off idiots, is terrible and is using a sexuality to push your agenda and parade it around like a dancing monkey, and it isn't showing any respect for the sexuality one bit.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure how that's antagonizing people but ok. It's more like ignoring their shitty intolerance and making a movie how you want it to be made. if a movie casually just happens to have two gay characters as if its completely normal, is that really an issue? If it's an issue to people who don't like that kind of thing, then that sucks for them. it's not antagonizing anyone. They're just 2 dudes who happen to be gay, acting exactly like a man and woman might. A lot of people had issue with Star Trek having a black communications officer. They didn't shoe horn it in or parade it around but intolerant idiots made it an 'issue' regardless. If they want to bitch about two dudes who are openly gay in a movie over twitter then yeah I'm going to laugh at their stupidity. [editline]5th October 2016[/editline] Star Trek didn't give a shit about how people hated black people. I want the mainstream media to do the same. Normalizing it in media will show people how ludicrous the hatred is when twitter explodes over something legal.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51158805]I'm not sure how that's antagonizing people but ok. It's more like ignoring their shitty intolerance and making a movie how you want it to be made. [/QUOTE] yeah but the way it should be made is that sexuality should feel natural and not shoehorned in for no purpose and only matter in the context of sex and is otherwise not relevant to a story arc (unless the story is about sex). otherwise you just start parading it around like 'look at how diverse this is' instead of it being treated, well, normally. Because it's all normal. And people want to be treated like normal human beings and not be defined by their sexuality.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;51158843]yeah but the way it should be made is that sexuality should feel natural and not shoehorned in for no purpose and only matter in the context of sex and is otherwise not relevant to a story arc (unless the story is about sex). otherwise you just start parading it around like 'look at how diverse this is' instead of it being treated, well, normally. Because it's all normal.[/QUOTE] considering how casual and effective SW7 was at making all races pretty much randomized, I'd expect they'd play the gay card really, really well. They wouldn't do what super hero comics are doing and go "BUT BUT YOUR GAY" "BUT BUT THATS INTOLLERANT TO GIRLS!" the way super hero comics do it is hilariously bad and I think no one should do it that way for sure yeah

IMO the music really wasn't that great and felt like your generic space fantasy score. The Rey vs Ren fight was really good and could've been better if they had more powerful music, I.E. Duel of the Fates or something.

[QUOTE=mralexs;51158902]IMO the music really wasn't that great and felt like your generic space fantasy score. The Rey vs Ren fight was really good and could've been better if they had more powerful music, I.E. Duel of the Fates or something.[/QUOTE] I think the music is really the only thing that they dropped the ball on in TFA, most memorable piece of music from TFA was the trailer score imo.

that was just [sp]kylo ren's[/sp] cue being replayed, you can hear it at the beginning of the movie. ep 4 did that cue much better.

[QUOTE=BusinessRed;51158914]I think the music is really the only thing that they dropped the ball on in TFA, most memorable piece of music from TFA was the trailer score imo.[/QUOTE] The trailer music kicks the ungodly crap out the score.

i never said you said tfa was better, alls i'm saying is the music in that spot was done better 40 years ago. also, the humor bit is just JJ's writing style, you can see it with star trek. i'm also curious as to what you didn't like about jedi's pacing.

[QUOTE=Rebi;51157472]Well lightsabers were always a fundamental part of the whole jedi identity. Luke received his fathers lightsaber and a decent bit of his limited training with Obi-Wan was using the lightsaber. The problem isn't focusing on lightsabers as an important element but more on mishandling of lightsaber choreography with people flipping around and swinging these extremely deadly weapons totally wantonly. One thing I really liked in TFA is the focus on the power of the force and lightsabers, whenever the force is used there's an ominous, powerful sound cue that gives an impression of almost eldritch energy, especially when you're in a theatre with a huge sound system all around you. Also as someone mentioned they give subtle and not-so-subtle demonstrations of the destructive power of a lightsaber. Subtle being how you can notice snowflakes melting on contact with the blade and how loud the hum is on Kylo Ren's saber, not so subtle being how they're shown cutting metal and trees like butter and Kylo using his crossguard to torture Finn during their fight by shoving it into his shoulder.[/QUOTE] Yes, Luke gets his fathers old lightsaber, but it's not like that's a big thing, it's more like "I thought you should've had this before, but Owen didn't and he was in charge of you so I dropped it". I thought that implied there was no issue if he couldn't have it, otherwise Ben would've tried harder. You see what I mean? It's not like there was this big deal about him getting that lightsaber when he finally receives it either, he tries it out and then they don't talk about it pretty much for the rest of the movie. Saying that the lightsaber is part of the jedi identity is, in my opinion, misunderstanding the use of the lightsabers. Yoda never used one (obviously not talking about the prequels) and he was the embodiment of a jedi in my eyes. He even discourages Luke to take his lightsaber with him when he walks into the cave on Dagobah. The lightsaber seems more of a tool to the jedi that the more untrained ones need because they aren't strong enough in the force. This I thought was demonstrated perfectly in Jedi when the Emperor is taunting Luke, and Luke decides to throw away his lightsaber. It might not be intentional, as in Luke may not even realise this himself at that moment, but throwing the lightsaber brings him as far away from the dark side as he can possibly get in that situation and I would like to believe that the true strength of the light side is shown in that moment and it's so strong that it compels Vader to embrace it and rid both himself and Luke from the agony that the Emperor is subjecting them to. So the lightsaber was only really a tool to convey something much bigger. In the lightsaber fights it was to show the strength between the characters and in that scene in the throne room it's used to imply strength in not using it. I agree with you the the silly-nilly lightsaber battles are bad, but they were only one really bad part regarding lightsabers among an entire catalogue of things that was bad regarding lightsabers in the prequels. The new movie I suppose make the fights better with less obvious scripted choreography, but I stand by that they also missed the point of lightsabers.

To be honest, I don't get the big deal about people being so pissed over the lightsaber in VII. I mean it shouldn't be there, wasn't that fucking thing lost in Cloud City, but it was deified because it's Luke's lightsaber - and instead of jumping right into embracing the mere idea of holding it, Finn utterly fails at using it properly and Rey rejects it wholesale until she has no other options in a desperate moment. And Kylo being the only other person with a lightsaber in the movie has a shitty, hobbled-together one that pretty much serves as a physical manifestation of his tantrum-throwing rage and anger. It's hilarious because the most bitching I see about the lightsaber stuff is that Rey jumped into using one way too fast, but a large part of its usage has established to be the Force, and her other 'big problem' most are concerned about is that she's got metric fucktons of Force potential all flowing through her by the end. It's almost like a shonen power-up in Star Wars. And yet I really don't mind, seeing as we only have 3 movies with limited timeframes to develop these new characters and no plans for interquel materials or so forth currently.

The only parts of The Force Unleashed that really bothered me were the complete lack of explanation of how the Republic let the First Order get so powerful, and the fact that a genocide of everyone in an entire solar system that was also the home of the Republic was a really minor part of the film that only served as an example of what the Starkiller base was capable of.

[QUOTE=laserpanda;51169103]The only parts of The Force Unleashed that really bothered me were the complete lack of explanation of how the Republic let the First Order get so powerful, and the fact that a genocide of everyone in an entire solar system that was also the home of the Republic was a really minor part of the film that only served as an example of what the Starkiller base was capable of.[/QUOTE] Could be worse. Could be the genocide of everyone in an entire solar system as a really minor part of the film that doesn't even affect the film's universe and is left as major baggage for anyone trying to continue the story of the original universe.

[QUOTE=BusinessRed;51158914]I think the music is really the only thing that they dropped the ball on in TFA, most memorable piece of music from TFA was the trailer score imo.[/QUOTE] i agree with you mostly. there are some bits that are really good. i love rey's theme even though I know a lot of people disagree with me. It's not as catchy as some other themes, but it's incredibly memorable for me and plays well with Binary Sunset. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65As1V0vQDM[/media] [QUOTE=ParoshWasHere;51154702]If you plan on reading the video comments, don't. Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/OJaPf1n.png[/t] [B]wow[/B]. i know it's a troll straight out of /pol/ but jesus christ.