RE: TotalBiscuit's Reddit Post -- Battling Stress As A Content Producer - General

[QUOTE=be;43940384]Keep the insults coming, it's really mature.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if you're even trying to defend your point of view or if you're just trolling at this point. [editline]17th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=be;43940396]I baked out a few hours ago, and then I got insulted for having an opinion, as fucking always, you guys are disgusting, I'm done, sorry for having a different opinion on a forum[/QUOTE] you didn't back out if you came back

[QUOTE=be;43940396]I baked out a few hours ago, and then I got insulted for having an opinion, as fucking always, you guys are disgusting, I'm done, sorry for having a different opinion on a forum[/QUOTE] Haha, oh dear

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43940169]I've critcised the likes of TB here on facepunch in the past, but I've never gone onto his youtube videos or twitter and started harassing him. The people who cause the likes of TB stress are the type of sad twat who actually go onto their videos and comment or send them messages and personally harassing them.[/QUOTE] Yeah I don't certainly lump all criticism in with abuse, online personalities that make a living off sharing their opinions shouldn't be exempt from criticism.

If anyone wants to talk about this 1on1 then PM me, I would like to have a real conversation about this.

[QUOTE=be;43940396]I baked out a few hours ago, and then I got insulted for having an opinion, as fucking always, you guys are disgusting, I'm done, sorry for having a different opinion on a forum[/QUOTE] No you were not insulted for having an opinion, you were insulted for simply being a childish antagonizing immoral disgusting insensitive fuck.

[QUOTE=be;43940425]If anyone wants to talk about this 1on1 then PM me, I would like to have a real conversation about this.[/QUOTE] That's gonna be hard to do, considering you've disabled PMs.

[QUOTE=BloodFox1222;43940432]That's gonna be hard to do, considering you've disabled PMs.[/QUOTE] I didn't even know you could do that, I'll enable them. [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] Enabled

[QUOTE=be;43940396]I baked out a few hours ago, and then I got insulted for having an opinion, as fucking always, you guys are disgusting, I'm done, sorry for having a different opinion on a forum[/QUOTE] Sounds like internet feedback is really getting to you huh. Feels shit right?

[QUOTE=be;43940353]Because I don't feel that bad for tb and I don't think his strife is that big of a deal? Not really[/QUOTE] The issue (now) is more your lack of empathy for him because he has more money than your average joe like (possibly) you and (certainly) I, you seem to strip him of being legitimately burdened in a very serious way just because he has more cash, it's simply not right, it's not about the cash he has, it's about how impactful everyday bashing is, that's what you don't seem to grasp, or you do understand this part, but you somehow don't put him on the same line as everyone else who have serious depression just because the cause of his depression isn't monetary. It's objectively childish, in this way. How is his strife not a big deal, in your eyes? It's a massive depression that spans over several years, like many people, and like pretty much everyone who ever went through depression, it's an emotional one.

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;43940463]Sounds like internet feedback is really getting to you huh. Feels shit right?[/QUOTE] he has no excuse, be's famous after all he shouldn't be complaining

[QUOTE=J!NX;43940511]he has no excuse, be's famous after all he shouldn't be complaining[/QUOTE] Why don't you PM me and actually have a conversation with me so that we can actually get somewhere instead of trying to zing me

[QUOTE=be;43940551]Why don't you PM me and actually have a conversation with me so that we can actually get somewhere instead of trying to zing me[/QUOTE] I don't see how I haven't already made my point. There is no reason "Fame" makes you any less able to have stress, that's completely insane. [QUOTE=be;43940291]Depression is uncontrollable unhappiness, TB isn't depressed[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=be;43940264]His suffering is next to nothing compared to the suffering of others, he's at the top of the food chain so I really give no fucks[/QUOTE] He's not bill gates by the way, he's some dude that reviews games, I really don't see how that's the top of any food chain. and if TB cannot control his unhappiness does that not mean he is depressed?

[QUOTE=be;43940551]Why don't you PM me and actually have a conversation with me so that we can actually get somewhere instead of trying to zing me[/QUOTE] He's still attempting to make his point and it's perfectly possible to have a decent debate about it on the actual forum.

[QUOTE=spekter;43940347]and to be perfectly honest you don't hear about people stalking internet celebs or trying to break into their house. ... the threat to TB versus huge name celebrities elsewhere is a world apart.[/QUOTE] Actually you do - the reddit thread this video is a response to has boogie2988 and NerdCubed both chime in, the former stating he's had shit mailed to his house and the latter infamously freaked out when a couple of fans tracked his apartment down from a few shots of around his front door and the local area [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/1xs45h/realtotalbiscuit_total_biscuit_of_youtube_fame/cfe8wyz[/url] [quote=boogie2988]But there's a price. HOLY SHIT is there a price. That price is sleepless nights, ulcers, death threats, calls to our home, hatefilled internet interactions, dead animals in our P.O. boxes, invading our personal lives, prank deliveries, getting 'swatted', having our electric/water/cable turned off, our accounts hacked, and worse... actually WORSE. I had someone knock on my fucking door one night. Can you believe that shit?[/quote] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTRJG_-AJjU[/url] (this was a year ago) Famous celebs can afford security, PR, all manner of insulation from the wider public, and it's their decision to have a personal twitter account and expose themselves, but they can get support when harassed. Some internet celeb has none of that - TB has his spouse, but most are a one-man show. It's not comparable at all.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43939016]I agree with almost every word of this video and feel that the way internet celebrities get treated is absolutely disgusting, but I have to ask: why is the gaming community choosing [i]this[/i] as the point where people finally start to agree? TotalBiscuit sure wasn't a saint. He doesn't deserve even half of what his shithead "fans" throw at him, but he could be downright antagonistic toward anyone who doesn't agree with him. It was only a few months ago that the gaming community put Phil Fish and others through even [i]worse[/i] than what TB has been through, and I've yet to see any introspection, apology, or heartfelt support for him like I'm seeing for TB, despite both of these people being, well, assholes. I'm willing to bet that half of you guys nodding silently at the video in the OP were on the forefront of the shitflinging directed at Phil Fish, Anita Sarkeesian, etc, and you're hypocrites if that's the case. I see this video as a good first step but it's all talk and no substance at this point. I'll be willing to believe that gamers have grown up when they actually fucking grow up. I'm not directing this at [i]all[/i] of you but if you're angry at this post you're probably one of the ones it [i]is[/i] directed at.[/QUOTE] I'm not familiar with TBs antics, but what Phil Fish was spouting was essentially abuse bordering on death threats, and I don't think TB has falling quite so far yet. It's hard to stick up for a guy receiving abuse when he was more than happy to dish it out.

If more people listened to this then they probably wouldn't be reacting so childishly to this and being so unsympathetic. It takes fucking balls to say what he says in this: [url]https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/nonsense[/url]

[QUOTE=dingdongpuddi;43938695]boohoo I play video games for a living. My life is so hard. Those laborers in undeveloped countries should be glad they don't have to make YouTube videos like me.[/QUOTE] It's harder than it seems.

[QUOTE=subenji99;43940865]Actually you do - the reddit thread this video is a response to has boogie2988 and NerdCubed both chime in, the former stating he's had shit mailed to his house and the latter infamously freaked out when a couple of fans tracked his apartment down from a few shots of around his front door and the local area [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/1xs45h/realtotalbiscuit_total_biscuit_of_youtube_fame/cfe8wyz[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTRJG_-AJjU[/url] (this was a year ago) Famous celebs can afford security, PR, all manner of insulation from the wider public, and it's their decision to have a personal twitter account and expose themselves, but they can get support when harassed. Some internet celeb has none of that - TB has his spouse, but most are a one-man show. It's not comparable at all.[/QUOTE] boogie2988 is a really awesome dude, sucks how much people treat him like a piece of shit. whatever, call youtubes small time and not deserving a fame but what's the point of treating them like piss? fucking ignore them. with so many people doing that no wonder people like total biscuit are "depressed" if be can't see this then Jesus christ, why WOULD I want to argue with them in a PM? saying "they have no excuse" is the type of shit that makes it [U]worse[/U].

[QUOTE=J!NX;43941036] if be can't see this then Jesus christ, why WOULD I want to argue with them in a PM? saying "they have no excuse" is the type of shit that makes it [U]worse[/U].[/QUOTE] I have no idea why some people think that just because one has a lot of money that one has "no excuse" to be sad, that they should be happy because of all of the money they are making. Just because one has money, it doesn't mean they are automatically happy all the time. How do they get this money? Through hard work, which can be stressful. Not to say that work isn't stressful for everyone else.

[QUOTE=garychencool;43941149]I have no idea why some people think that just because one has a lot of money that one has "no excuse" to be sad, that they should be happy because of all of the money they are making. Just because one has money, it doesn't mean they are automatically happy all the time. How do they get this money? Through hard work, which can be stressful. Not to say that work isn't stressful for everyone else.[/QUOTE] honestly some of the most depressing people I've seen have a lot of money. there is this guy at my old work who is basically a millionaire at 40 but has a shitty life because he has nothing else. he's worked [B]his ass off[/B] and did he actually get anything out of it? the fuck he did, he's not happy. he has an incredible level of intelligence, but he's not happy, do you know why? money's nice but it's not shit if you can't spend it on anything or anyone worth your time.

[QUOTE=Jackald;43941444]If he's too stressed, why not reduce his content output. He's self-employed after all. It's what I did when uni work was getting too much for me to keep up with my KH streams, and those were only done for fun, no adverts anywhere.[/QUOTE] Reduced content output means less income, and youtubers don't pull in a ton of money as is. Plus due to a sense of entitlement in some viewers, the outlash issue would probably get worse due to less content.

[QUOTE=Jackald;43941444]If he's too stressed, why not reduce his content output. He's self-employed after all. It's what I did when uni work was getting too much for me to keep up with my KH streams, and those were only done for fun, no adverts anywhere.[/QUOTE] Afaik he has some people he pay for helping him make content, so it wouldn't just affect him.

[QUOTE=Jackald;43941554]Then find a more efficient way to make content, or make cheaper content. Or, alternatively, find something else to do. I mean shit, Game Grumps pulled in mad dosh for fuckall effort.[/QUOTE] Reduce effort and make stuff that'll only bring in cash, and you end up with Pewdiepie and all the other lazy as fuck games channels. Really though there's lots of ways to reduce stress, biggest one would be not reading the comments and having staff give him the gist of it if he's getting that worked up about it. Plenty of other ways of dealing with it, and if he needs to slow things down while he gets over it, so be it.

[QUOTE=Jackald;43941554]Then find a more efficient way to make content, or make cheaper content. Or, alternatively, find something else to do. I mean shit, Game Grumps pulled in mad dosh for fuckall effort.[/QUOTE] That's when the direction and quality of the videos and the channel changes.

[QUOTE=Jackald;43941554]Then find a more efficient way to make content, or make cheaper content. Or, alternatively, find something else to do. I mean shit, Game Grumps pulled in mad dosh for fuckall effort.[/QUOTE] There's more to LPing than just playing games. You need to plan your release schedule, record, deal with technical issues, edit (big one), upload, deal with fan mail, maintain a social media presence, handle the financial matters, etc

[QUOTE=Jackald;43941722]Yeah, he doesn't exactly have a rapport with his fans... [img]http://i.imgur.com/4fJtsD1.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] That comment was a reply to someone he thought was attacking him, I don't think freddie mercury said that to a fan that he thought was attacking him verbally

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43940326]Everyone has their own problems, if he's going fucking grey at 29 then it's pretty fucking bad, worse than most people.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/lifestyle/the-age-of-obama/img/then_now/lincoln_thennow.jpg[/img] be, don't act like stress ain't that big of a deal.

[QUOTE=Jackald;43941771]Depends. Game Grumps videos weren't very heavily edited, so it's not like it requires trawling through hours of footage finding highlights, and they split their episodes into 10 minute chunks, releasing 3 per day. They could very easily play through 6 hours of footage, and then just cut it up and have footage for the next week or so, which is what they did. If you listen, sometimes Ego used to accidentally let slip when they'd recorded. Besides which, each video is monetized seperately, meaning more videos = more dosh. It's a lot harder to do it with heavy editing in the style that ABadfeeling or Criken do. Oh and believe me, searching through 18 hours of footage for a 15 minute highlight video can be really soul-crushing.[/QUOTE] barry has to sit through hours of footage and he watches ALL of it to look for funny moments. he also pretty frequently uses the editing to add to the humor. there's more of a structure to how game grumps is edited but theres still a lot of work involved.

[QUOTE=be;43940264]His suffering is next to nothing compared to the suffering of others, he's at the top of the food chain so I really give no fucks[/QUOTE] did you not watch the video to the point where he talked about his health problems? get fucking real, man.

[QUOTE=IceyMalone;43938853]Holy shit I already hate you Seriously, did you even read his reddit post? He's going through really tough times. What, so just because he has a big following that makes him somehow incapable of emotion, thought or issue?[/QUOTE] Why can't he just ignore the comments? How does something someone says on the internet effect you? I really don't understand that. If you're the kind of person whose life gets thrown totally out of control because of something mean someone said to you on the internet then you need to re-evaluate your life.