RE: TotalBiscuit's Reddit Post -- Battling Stress As A Content Producer - General

[QUOTE=lionheart1066;43944059]Sadly this'll always happen and there's truely no ways around this, it's just the mindset of these hypocritical people.[/QUOTE] Adam addressed this kind of thinking in the video. Being a defeatist about it isn't helping anyone. Yes, it is a thing. Yes, it exists. No, it shouldn't be accepted. We're not in an ideal world but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to strive for it. If we don't try, we'll never reach it.

I think what a lot of people need to learn is that people are fallible. Tb getting mad and unloading on a guy shouldn't define him, it was one tiny incident. He's done a lot of good and regardless of if he was right or wrong everyone has a bad day.

i dont understand why people think anyone one with a little bit of fame is suddenly the most perfect person and when they do something wrong it is this huge terrible thing.

[QUOTE=Jackald;43941722]Yeah, he doesn't exactly have a rapport with his fans... [img]http://i.imgur.com/4fJtsD1.jpg[/img] personally I don't really like him because I find him a bit pretentious and obnoxious, but it sucks that he's having a rough time making his living so I wish him all the best with finding a way to make his content stress-free.[/QUOTE] Also, I've made the realization that not only are you nitpicking but comparing Freddie and Totbiscuit is literally the most retarded thing ever Freddie clearly can handle stress far better than anyone else, I mean, shit, he died of FUCKING AIDS. TB is the most generic guy ever, in contrast to Fred. Freddie was in a far different situation in any case Freddie was announcing it during a show. Even not as a musician he's much more resistant to stress, and had a huge amount of followers. TB is some random dude that was frustrated had a bad day and argued with another random dude, and I don't even need to know where that quote is from to know that. He's not a musician with the patiance of a god. He's just a dude. And he's said that he was being an asshole anyways and that his biggest flaw to be the negative. He's not a musician like Freddie, and Freddie being a musician is going to have a far more positive outlook on life than most can claim. TotalBiscuit = some dude Freddie = A godlike singer legend. And considering how shitty the youtube community is I'm almost inclined to agree that I could never love my fans as much as Queen could. TB sounds shitty but in a very small way he was kinda right, but that particular quote is dickish yes.

The video in the OP also makes a good point on why Freddie as a musician isn't comparable to TB as a youtube gaming journalist.

Freddie Mercury also didn't have to put up with shit on a daily basis because the internet wasn't really a thing. He had people who could filter the death threats and vitriol.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43945489]Freddie Mercury also didn't have to put up with shit on a daily basis because the internet wasn't really a thing. He had people who could filter the death threats and vitriol.[/QUOTE] That and, yeah ok whatever "just mute them its the internet idiot!" except there's so many billions of people that could be doing that that muting becomes impossible and no matter how long the list you're going to constantly have more people bombarding you.

[QUOTE=J!NX;43945508]That and, yeah ok whatever "just mute them its the internet idiot!" except there's so many billions of people that could be doing that that muting becomes impossible and no matter how long the list you're going to constantly have more people bombarding you.[/QUOTE] That's not the issue, you can very well ignore it all but then you'd be cutting yourself off from your community and limiting your interaction with them.

[QUOTE='[Green];43944761']Adam addressed this kind of thinking in the video. Being a defeatist about it isn't helping anyone. Yes, it is a thing. Yes, it exists. No, it shouldn't be accepted. We're not in an ideal world but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to strive for it. If we don't try, we'll never reach it.[/QUOTE] Why strive for it when it is in theory, impossible to achieve with how dynamically different everyone is, such an equality could only exist correctly if there was enough enforcement empowered or embedded into society or if humanity was more like a hivemind than individuality. The only way I could see, to get around this kind of problem would be to apply a form of heavy administration onto sites such as YouTube, granting partners the abilities to administrate their channel more extensively or to assign mods that would watch over the comments similar to how Twitch has it with chat rooms. But even then that wouldn't be enough due to the majority of people, being anonymous. This can't be solved through education as majority of people who are like this, don't give a fuck. This can't be solved through adminsitration either without causing concerns for the loss of freedom of speech. Since that could easily be abused as well. The best solution imo, would be to provide support for people like Adam and I don't mean medical help even though it could help with a lot of the mental strains this industry puts on people but, what I really meant is help from his actual followers, since majority of them, probably don't even interact with the comments and are only interested in watching him. Hence why his comments are more negative than positive.

What makes it impossible to achieve though, by talking about it you are making people aware of the impacts it's actually having, I doubt most of the people making those comments are making them just to be assholes and to ruin peoples lives but rather in short bursts of impatient annoyance or just following the crowd. And even if it doesn't help the matter it's better than to just sit around and do nothing, stacking shit upon shit within yourself untill finally you break down.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;43945549]What makes it impossible to achieve though, by talking about it you are making people aware of the impacts it's actually having, I doubt most of the people making those comments are making them just to be assholes and to ruin peoples lives but rather in short bursts of impatient annoyance or just following the crowd. And even if it doesn't help the matter it's better than to just sit around and do nothing, stacking shit upon shit within yourself untill finally you break down.[/QUOTE] It's the fact that naturally, a lot of people, want to be ontop of others, they want to feel superior as well, while you and I probably wouldn't think like this. There's an insane amount of people who are like this and would do anything to achieve it as well, even if it goes down to months of communicational abuse.

[QUOTE=lionheart1066;43945582]It's the fact that naturally, a lot of people, want to be ontop of others, they want to feel superior as well, while you and I probably wouldn't think like this. There's an insane amount of people who are like this.[/QUOTE] So are you saying everybody who types immature negative comments are like this? Even if what you claim is true, and there is nothing apart from your speculation that says it is, it really makes no sense why this portion of people would be so large in the gaming community, or more specifically in the youtube gaming video audience, compared to the rest of youtube.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;43945605]So are you saying everybody who types immature negative comments are like this? Even if what you claim is true, and there is nothing apart from your speculation that says it is, it really makes no sense why this portion of people would be so large in the gaming community, or more specifically in the youtube gaming video audience, compared to the rest of youtube.[/QUOTE] While yes its speculation, but do you honestly see any other logical conclusion? Why else would they do this kind of behaviour if they don't get any form of return on it and I doubt it's just on the gaming side of youtube as well, we all know that a lot of celebrities from different genres and industries also get similar treatment. I guess it's just more noticable in gaming due to the audience sizes being a lot different and gaming as a whole has a lot more interaction than any other type of entertainment.

[QUOTE=lionheart1066;43945669]While yes its speculation, but do you honestly see any other logical conclusion? Why else would they do this kind of behaviour if they don't get any form of return on it and I doubt it's just on the gaming side of youtube as well, we all know that a lot of celebrities from different genres and industries also get similar treatment. I guess it's just more noticable in gaming due to the audience sizes being a lot different and gaming as a whole has a lot more interaction than any other type of entertainment.[/QUOTE] Yeah my logical conclusion was that "...I doubt most of the people making those comments are making them just to be assholes and to ruin peoples lives but rather in short bursts of impatient annoyance or just following the crowd" and also because you're anonymous you don't have to suffer any consequences for what you comment on a video, so you don't really think about what you write cause you just type something for 5 secs, post it and it's done. I really don't see how anybody achieves the feeling of being on top of someone by posting a random comment on a video that they know will get drowned out amongst hundreds or thousands of other comments.

[QUOTE=be;43940264]His suffering is next to nothing compared to the suffering of others, he's at the top of the food chain so I really give no fucks[/QUOTE] You should understand mental health before you post more. Edit: Oops banned. Left this tab open.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43939016]I agree with almost every word of this video and feel that the way internet celebrities get treated is absolutely disgusting, but I have to ask: why is the gaming community choosing [i]this[/i] as the point where people finally start to agree? TotalBiscuit sure wasn't a saint. He doesn't deserve even half of what his shithead "fans" throw at him, but he could be downright antagonistic toward anyone who doesn't agree with him. It was only a few months ago that the gaming community put Phil Fish and others through even [i]worse[/i] than what TB has been through, and I've yet to see any introspection, apology, or heartfelt support for him like I'm seeing for TB, despite both of these people being, well, assholes. I'm willing to bet that half of you guys nodding silently at the video in the OP were on the forefront of the shitflinging directed at Phil Fish, Anita Sarkeesian, etc, and you're hypocrites if that's the case. I see this video as a good first step but it's all talk and no substance at this point. I'll be willing to believe that gamers have grown up when they actually fucking grow up. I'm not directing this at [i]all[/i] of you but if you're angry at this post you're probably one of the ones it [i]is[/i] directed at.[/QUOTE] Phil Fish deserved his hate though, he fucking antagonized that shit on twitter and in talks. [editline]17th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;43943903]Who cracked a spazz when TB said no.[/QUOTE] Reddit did, who the fuck else. It was a shit show.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43951565]Reddit did, who the fuck else. It was a shit show.[/QUOTE] He's not asking who, he's saying who.

I never liked TB as a person, and that's why I didn't subscribe to his videos. I do however like his content, and prefer to look to his videos on new games.

A huge fan of TB. I like how he does not sugarcoat his opinions and views into crap sensitive bellies can digest. Instead he just says things more or less unfiltered. Because of that I find his WTF is series very useful in judging if a game is worth checking out/buying. And as someone who gets motion sick easily, I do appreciate his nitpicking for lack of FOV sliders.

[QUOTE=Grizz;43939098]You can still hear about 'TB being a dick' from the man himself. [url]https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/nonsense[/url][/QUOTE] TB doesn't find himself funny? He needs to watch Rollplay Dark Heresy. TB's the funniest guy there.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43951565]Phil Fish deserved his hate though, he fucking antagonized that shit on twitter and in talks.[/QUOTE] It definitely doesn't justify his actions and he still seems to be fairly pretentious but Phil Fish's attitude also appears to come from being unable to handle the stress of all the negativity too.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;43954520]TB doesn't find himself funny? He needs to watch Rollplay Dark Heresy. TB's the funniest guy there.[/QUOTE] Despite him being the "serious" one on the polaris podcast aswell I think he has his share of funny moments on there aswell.

I'm not an asshole but... come on, has it really got it that hard... He stepped out of the masses, and therefor will receive considerable amounts of trolls and negativity. It's the way things are. I myself quit school because I had a, what I thought was a good concept, became the laughing stock of everyone here, and then it flourished into a well-running business. I also, in a way, stepped out of the masses and am now target for ridicule and negativity. As a reward, I get a good income, and the fullfillment of having made something of myself (against all predictions). On the downside, I get a lot of locals and even former friends who think I didn't deserve it, or who think I am somehow taking something that belongs to them, since theyre are the ones who invested heavily in education. Even though I invested just as heavily, by being auto-didactic, and worked 70 hours a week where others only worked 40 at max, they still feel like I do not deserve what I have and they give me flak for that. Part of stepping out of the masses is accepting there will be a lot of negative people who are either haters, jealous or just plain don't like you. I'm fine with it, and so should anyone else. If you cannot handle it, then stop doing the show. You cannot say you dislike the negativity and that it's killing you, and then upload a new episode to Youtube and cash in again. You can't have your cake and eat it too. [editline]18th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;43941732]There's more to LPing than just playing games. You need to plan your release schedule, record, deal with technical issues, edit (big one), upload, deal with fan mail, maintain a social media presence, handle the financial matters, etc[/QUOTE] You're acting like that's a big deal compared to what everyone else in life needs to do? Even when you've got a standard career, you have got quite a list of things you need to be doing and are responsible for. You make it sound like doing those things you named is the most stressfull thing ever, even though it's not. Record is basically "follow the script, play some games". Financial matters have to be dealt with with any soruce of income, be it a paper route, or a business of your own. TB is in no way overburdened.

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43955744]You make it sound like doing those things you named is the most stressfull thing ever, even though it's not. Record is basically "follow the script, play some games". Financial matters have to be dealt with with any soruce of income, be it a paper route, or a business of your own. TB is in no way overburdened.[/QUOTE] Yeah, he totally doesn't spend hours per day every day editing his videos or anything. He takes one day off per week from posting videos. This says nothing about whether he still records and edits videos on that day. And he does some pretty high quality editing as it is so that's going to take hours per video. TotalBiscuit most likely works well over 40 hours per week at his job. Also the rest of that crap you posted is irrelevant. Your situation doesn't even begin to compare to TB's. You have to face what dozens, maybe at the very most a few hundred, negative opinions of you? TB faces tens of thousands. TB's situation is far more relatable to a celebrity than you.

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43955744]I'm not an asshole but...[/QUOTE] Yeah that's a cool story and all but are you seriously trying to say that because you're able to deal with a bunch of locals and old friends being dicks to you (which by the way, great for you, and I mean that), then that's proof that somebody who deals with the same thing [i]multiplied by thousands[/i] can handle it just the same? I mean fuck did you even watch the video you're responding to? Or did you just see "TotalBiscuit being whiny babby" and go "Time to weigh in with my barely relevant anecdote"?

anyone that ever says "I'm not a [x], but..." is probably a [x]

[QUOTE=subenji99;43956064]anyone that ever says "I'm not a [x], but..." is probably a [x][/QUOTE] I work 70 hours a week (that's 10 hours every single day of the week), am or at least responsible for 12 employees and their families, faced and experienced ridicule and doubt from friends, family and loved ones, lost a relationship in the slow start-up period of my company. Where you do come off telling me I'm an asshole, just because I think that if you choose to do a job where you will catch a lot of flak, you should be prepare to handle it. I feel rotten for TB, I like his video's and I like his style. I'm just saying that personally... and I say this from experience, having people who are emotionally close to you be very negative about you hurts more than some anonymous guys on the internet. He can very easily stop reading the comments or his inbox, if it gets to him that much. My mother crying, and becoming depressed because she feared I would have a rotten life after quitting school got to me much more than the anonymous hate I face on the internet, and I had no way of avoiding it. I lived in the same house, and I am emotionally connected to her. Unlike TB and the trolls sending hatred towards him. And I do face anonymous hate too... I regularly get deaththreats in my mailbox, because I found a way do to my companies business in a much cheaper way than the established market does it and competitors are feeling the effects of my activity directly in their livelyhood. A man near me was a direct competitor, he went bust, and commit suicide. He had 3 children. You think that's something I just brush off easily, compared to a few thousand hate comments on the internet from some 12 year old idiots?! I went to his funeral, and laid flowers on his casket, because I felt responsible for his death, even though I had nothing directly to do with it. I am not an asshole.. TB's job is being critical about other peoples work, and he does so in a blunt (and therefor) amusing way. He should be prepared to face hate and trolls. If not, then quit making video's. It's his only choices. Don't jump to your conclusions about me please, I am not one of the "Quit being a whiney baby"-guys, even though I seem to share their final conclusion / opinion.

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43956803]I work 70 hours a week, am responsible for 12 employees, faced and experience ridicule and doubt from friends, family and loved ones, lost a relationship in the slow start-up period of my company. Where you do come off telling me I'm an asshole, just because I think that if you choose to do a job where you will catch a lot of flak, you should be prepare to handle it. I feel rotten for TB, I like his video's and I like his style. I'm just saying that personally... and I say this from experience, having people who are emotionally close to you be very negative about you hurts more than some anonymous guys on the internet. He can very easily stop reading the comments or his inbox, if it gets to him that much. My mother crying, and becoming depressed because she feared I would have a rotten life after quitting school got to me much more than the anonymous hate I face on the internet. I get deaththreats in my mailbox too, because I found a way do to my companies business in a much cheaper way than the established market does it. A man near me was a direct competitor, he went bust, and committed suicide. You think that's something you just brush off easily, compared to a few thousand hate comments on the internet from some 12 year old idiots. I went to his funeral, and had to lay flowers on his casket, and I felt responsible for his death, even though I had nothing directly to do with it.[/QUOTE] You don't seem to get it, so I'll put it bluntly. No one here is interested in the story of your life. Absolutely no one. Want to cry about how you are "above the masses" and how much your friends hate you for it, how it hurts you? Create a thread for it, if you so desire, people wil maybe pat you on the back. This thread is about a specific matter, to which your experience clearly has no connection what so ever, evident by your "you can stop reading comments at any time" argument, which is not just insult to everyone's intelligence here, but is absolutely factually incorrect, for reasons more than once specified in this thread. The very thread you decided not to read for some reason.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;43955779] Also the rest of that crap you posted is irrelevant. Your situation doesn't even begin to compare to TB's. You have to face what dozens, maybe at the very most a few hundred, negative opinions of you? TB faces tens of thousands. TB's situation is far more relatable to a celebrity than you.[/QUOTE] Completely missed the point. Well done. I am not a celebrity, nor do I wish do be, nor do I suggested I was. TL;DR: I'd rather have 10 million anonymous morons send hate my way, than have 10 close ones do it. Those 10 close ones hurt more, I can tell you. Even anonymous ones, that have faces you can attach to them, like the now deceased competitor, hurts much more than anonymous threats or negativity. Again, TB chose a job where he sought publicity, he got it, and he fruited him a steady good income and respect. Yes there's also lots of negative responses, but what do you expect?! When you seek publicity you will get it, both good and negative. [editline]18th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=gudman;43956864]You don't seem to get it, so I'll put it bluntly. No one here is interested in the story of your life. Absolutely no one. Want to cry about how you are "above the masses" and how much your friends hate you for it, how it hurts you? Create a thread for it, if you so desire, people wil maybe pat you on the back. This thread is about a specific matter, to which your experience clearly has no connection what so ever, evident by your "you can stop reading comments at any time" argument, which is not just insult to everyone's intelligence here, but is absolutely factually incorrect, for reasons more than once specified in this thread. The very thread you decided not to read for some reason.[/QUOTE] Ha. And i'm the dick here? Nowhere do I imply that I regard myself to be above the masses, or of more intrinsic value than another human being. I just said that I am the face and personality of a company, and therefor no longer as anonymous as for example my employees are. Both praise and hatred/negativity will come my way, and I accept that. The only thing I ment to say by that... Good job negating the points I am making by pretending I am trying to make this about me, fishing for compliments. I'm not, I was just making a point, and had to illustrate it. I certainly wasn't asking for pats on the back... anonymous compliments mean as much to me as anonymous hatred. They are null and empty. If we were to have this conversation in real life, you wouldn't have responded this way. I don't even know why I try on FP anymore...you guys just like an argument way too much, always try to go ad hominem even though I'm clearly trying to avoid it.

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43956901]Completely missed the point. Well done. I am not a celebrity, nor do I wish do be, nor do I suggested I was. TL;DR: I'd rather have 10 million anonymous morons send hate my way, than have 10 close ones do it. Those 10 close ones hurt more, I can tell you. Even anonymous ones, that have faces you can attach to them, like the now deceased competitor, hurts much more than anonymous threats or negativity. Again, TB chose a job where he sought publicity, he got it, and he fruited him a steady good income and respect. Yes there's also lots of negative responses, but what do you expect?! When you seek publicity you will get it, both good and negative.[/QUOTE] No, I got the point. "I can't empathize with you and can deal with something tangentially similar but to a far lesser degree so WAH WAH stop whining and get over it."