RE: TotalBiscuit's Reddit Post -- Battling Stress As A Content Producer - General

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43956901] I'd rather have 10 million anonymous morons send hate my way, than have 10 close ones do it. Those 10 close ones hurt more, I can tell you. Even anonymous ones, that have faces you can attach to them, like the now deceased competitor, hurts much more than anonymous threats or negativity. Again, TB chose a job where he sought publicity, he got it, and he fruited him a steady good income and respect. Yes there's also lots of negative responses, but what do you expect?! When you seek publicity you will get it, both good and negative. mpliments. I'm not, I was just making a point, and had to illustrate it. I certainly wasn't asking for pats on the back... anonymous compliments mean as much to me as anonymous hatred. They are null and empty. If we were to have this conversation in real life, you wouldn't have responded this way. [/QUOTE] i'm sorry about what you've had to deal with, but you shouldn't expect totalbiscuit to have the same perspective as you do. maybe you would be more equipped to deal with what he deals with. that's fine. but he's NOT as equipped to deal with it than others and he has less control over that than you'd think. you could just say that he should stop making videos in that case, but as far as i know it was the best option for him and his family and also something he's passionate about. the thing is that he IS trying to deal with it better. did you listen to the recording? he admitted that he's terrible at handling criticism and he's a very flawed human being and he plans to seek help so he can continue doing what he's doing without as much stress. he's aware of the problem and is actively trying to fix it. what exactly do you want from him?

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43956901]I don't even know why I try on FP anymore...[/QUOTE] Going into a thread and posting your opinion without reading the thread or watching the video the thread is about isn't the smartest thing. [QUOTE=Pr0fane;43956901]Yes there's also lots of negative responses, but what do you expect?! When you seek publicity you will get it, both good and negative.[/QUOTE] This right here is the whole problem with your argument. You're justifying people being assholes and blaming TB for the shit he receives. This was specifically covered [i]in the very video this thread is about[/i]. I suggest you watch it before making any further posts. "Don't like it then quit." Would [i]you[/i] quit the career you spent so many years working so hard to build from the ground up because so many people want you to fail? Would you just sever your ties with a career you love and risk going months or even years without an income to support your wife and child? From the sounds of it, no you wouldn't. So why on earth would you suggest anyone else do the same?

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43956901]I don't even know why I try on FP anymore...you guys just like an argument way too much, always try to go ad hominem even though I'm clearly trying to avoid it.[/QUOTE] Surely this isn't your first run in with this kind of discussion? Many people here won't have their opinion changed, so you're simply wasting energy. I'm a giant fan of TB. I've followed him for years and I know the kind of mentality he has, just not the intensity of it. The disappointment and hate from family members is definitely on a different level and of another type. I don't doubt you go through really bad things due to your work and life. But it sounds like you are perhaps much more tolerant of it. TB comes off as this stern person, but we don't know how much his fame affects him. No one knows except him. He may be less able to handle it than others, or more so. And not many of us know actually how it feels to be in his position, so the idea of rather having tens of thousands of hate messages because you think it would be easier isn't as clear cut because we don't really know what that's like. As another topic, TB never chose directly to go into this "career". He was basically bankrupt and if I remember right he was about to be kicked out of his home, but TGS offered partnership and for him to run ads to make some money, he took it in an instant and was surprised at how well it was doing and how much it saved his life in many ways from being evicted. And from there he rode it to where he is today. That was only like 4 years ago. Which on the internet is a long time, but on a personal level is not that long. The work and fame increased extremely fast.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;43956961]No, I got the point. "I can't empathize with you and can deal with something tangentially similar but to a far lesser degree so WAH WAH stop whining and get over it."[/QUOTE] Not at all. I shall from now on refrain from answering you, untill you show that you are trying to have an intellectually honest discussion. [editline]18th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Y'all.;43956995]i'm sorry about what you've had to deal with, but you shouldn't expect totalbiscuit to have the same perspective as you do. maybe you would be more equipped to deal with what he deals with. that's fine. but he's NOT as equipped to deal with it than others and he has less control over that than you'd think. you could just say that he should stop making videos in that case, but as far as i know it was the best option for him and his family and also something he's passionate about. the thing is that he IS trying to deal with it better. did you listen to the recording? he admitted that he's terrible at handling criticism and he's a very flawed human being and he plans to seek help so he can continue doing what he's doing without as much stress. he's aware of the problem and is actively trying to fix it. what exactly do you want from him?[/QUOTE] Nothing actually, it's pretty much all a human being can do. I am trying to say that he should do exactly what he's doing! Force himself to better handle criticism. The only thing I said is that I personally felt he should have been right on top of this issue the moment his Youtube-channel took off. Preparing retroactively is not effective, and that's why he's in the position he is now. And I absolutely dread that for him.

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43957213]Not at all. I shall from now on refrain from answering you, untill you show that you are trying to have an intellectually honest discussion.[/QUOTE] No, that's exactly what you're saying essentially. That he should stop whining about it or quit his job and that it's somehow his fault that people are assholes. If you actually bothered reading the thread or watching the video that has been posted on the subject you would actually have a better understanding of the situation. And if you did watch it and still think this way then you just have a complete lack of empathy.

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43957213]The only thing I said is that I personally felt he should have been right on top of this issue the moment his Youtube-channel took off. Preparing retroactively is not effective, and that's why he's in the position he is now. And I absolutely dread that for him.[/QUOTE] You can't just "be on top of the issue" with depression or any mental illness. He's been struggling with it for a while now, since long before his youtube days. Besides, I don't think he really [i]planned[/i] for his youtube career to take off the way it did. Most successful youtubers don't, and getting thousands upon thousands of utterly hateful messages on a daily basis isn't something [i]anyone[/i] can really prepare for. Again, covered in the video.

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;43957034] This right here is the whole problem with your argument. You're justifying people being assholes and blaming TB for the shit he receives. This was specifically covered [i]in the very video this thread is about[/i]. I suggest you watch it before making any further posts. "Don't like it then quit." Would [i]you[/i] quit the career you spent so many years working so hard to build from the ground up because so many people want you to fail? Would you just sever your ties with a career you love and risk going months or even years without an income to support your wife and child? From the sounds of it, no you wouldn't. So why on earth would you suggest anyone else do the same?[/QUOTE] Ah now I understand you better, thanks for explaining. First of all, no I didn't seriously suggest that he stop making video's. It was ment more like "It's part of the job" so he should've prepared. The fact that he didn't isn't a personal attack towards him, it's just a shame in my opinion. [editline]18th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Alice3173;43957257]No, that's exactly what you're saying essentially. That he should stop whining about it or quit his job and that it's somehow his fault that people are assholes. .[/QUOTE] No, you keep filling that in for me. What I AM saying is, part of the job he does is lots of attention, both negative and positive. The other part, the money, the freedom and earning income with games, is what he does enjoy. You can't just shed yourself of certain parts, it comes as a package deal. My criticism, is that he could've been more prepared for the negativity headed his way. In no way, do I think that TB himself is to blame, or that he is a whining cunt or whatever. Stop postulating I'm a moral or empathic defunkt. You base your responses on presuppositions about me, not what I actually say which is why I said I'd ignore you. Also shower me in boxes all you want, I keep telling you, anonymous criticism is null and void to me. [editline]18th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;43957307]You can't just "be on top of the issue" with depression or any mental illness. He's been struggling with it for a while now, since long before his youtube days. Besides, I don't think he really [i]planned[/i] for his youtube career to take off the way it did. Most successful youtubers don't, and getting thousands upon thousands of utterly hateful messages on a daily basis isn't something [i]anyone[/i] can really prepare for. Again, covered in the video.[/QUOTE] I understand, really I do, probably more than you realize. Dealt with all this shit myself. Not mental illness, but diagnosed depression certainly. All had to do with what I told you before. I won't bore you guys with any more stories about myself, since you'll just mistake me for fishing for compliments or something. [B]Baseline is, I feel shit for TB, and I don't think he deserves all of this shit. But he could've made it better, if he would've had realized it was part of the job early on, and would've prepared for it. I disagree with the people who call "crybaby", although I can also see how it's very ironic for a video game CRITIC to admit not being able to handle criticism himself.[/B]

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43957801][B]Baseline is, I feel shit for TB, and I don't think he deserves all of this shit. But he could've made it better, if he would've had realized it was part of the job early on, and would've prepared for it. I disagree with the people who call "crybaby", although I can also see how it's very ironic for a video game CRITIC to admit not being able to handle criticism himself.[/B][/QUOTE] Hindsight is 20/20, but it helps no one. He [I]could've[/I] prepared, but he [I]didn't[/I]. Talking about what he [I]should've[/I] done doesn't help the situation, nor is it really that relevant to the discussion at hand.

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43957801]No, you keep filling that in for me. What I AM saying is, part of the job he does is lots of attention, both negative and positive. The other part, the money, the freedom and earning income with games, is what he does enjoy. You can't just shed yourself of certain parts, it comes as a package deal. My criticism, is that he could've been more prepared for the negativity headed his way. In no way, do I think that TB himself is to blame, or that he is a whining cunt or whatever. Stop postulating I'm a moral or empathic defunkt. You base your responses on presuppositions about me, not what I actually say which is why I said I'd ignore you. Also shower me in boxes all you want, I keep telling you, anonymous criticism is null and void to me.[/QUOTE] You could have been a lot more clear on that because what I was saying was really how you were coming across. I still disagree that he could have been better prepared for the negativity though. Not everyone handles stress the same way and not everyone has a strong enough sense of self worth to not let negativity like he faces get to them either. And no one could really expect to suddenly get huge like he did then suddenly have to deal with floods of negativity when, as several people with a good amount of subscribers and TB himself have said, interacting with the community had been a significant part of what they loved about their job.

Its fine if you disagree, it's not my goal to make you or anyone see my way, I just wished to give my honest opinion. Maybe I did so clumsily, as I was (and still am at the moment) at the office. I was paying half attention here and with my work at hand.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43940296]Are we going down the "you can't complain, theres people in africa worse off" route? I thought people realised this was a stupid logic after they stopped being a child.[/QUOTE] It's also a very detrimental cyclical thing to think about, and has really caught me quite a few times when I've been extremely down. "Well, my life could be so much worse. So why do I feel bad? Man, I'm such an idiotic loser. I deserve this." Bam, cycle established, and it's a downward spiral.

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43957801]It's part of the job It's part of the job It's part of the job [/QUOTE] When he started doing his videos he didn't expect to get that big, thus didn't expect what was coming to him, thus didn't prepare for it or quit before that happened. Your point is null. Also stop fucking denying that your point is "it's part of the job, he knew what he was getting into, he should have prepared for it, now he should stop whining about it and ignore it or suck it up, it's part of the job". Because you keep repeating it in every single post. And nice rant about "ad hominem" or something when someone called you out on going on and on about the story of your life to create an authority argument.