Milo Yiannopoulos at DePaul University 5-24-2016 (Attacked by Protester) - General

the genius of milo yiannopoulos is that he realised how stupid his opponents actually are he can get attention and news stories just from them being stupid it is earning him hundreds of thousands of dollars a year

anybody else see that fucking lil dance lmao

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50401908]the genius of milo yiannopoulos is that he realised how stupid his opponents actually are he can get attention and news stories just from them being stupid it is earning him hundreds of thousands of dollars a year[/QUOTE] Exactly. The great irony for these protestors is the reaction he gets in this video is precisely the reaction he desires. Who is gonna watch a video of Milo talking for an hour. Basically fans of the alt-right. Who is gonna watch a video of a human shitfest? Everybody, it's entertainment and interesting. They could've easily had a conversation with him on the stage with the now stolen mic but instead they chose to do inane bullshit on stage and block any kind of conversation. They managed to portray themselves as anti-intellectual and childish while Milo managed to portray himself as snide and calm in the face of emotionalism. Their reaction only reveals how childish and idiotic they are while boosting Milo's views and the general alt-right movement. The effect of this is to dissuade normal people from the extreme left, and to move people more right of left/center/right and it's already working.

[QUOTE=Hiccuper;50400863]Doesn't really sound like a neutral viewpoint to me[/QUOTE] I should have put in more context. I don't believe in the femenism that has been constructed by modern femenists who think females should be men. Women should have the same rights as men, but that doesn't mean they should be men. Equal rights is something I am a firm believer in, but modern femenists are spewing facts that are simply not true. An example of this would be that women earn 77 cents to every man's dollar. They take this statistic and automatically think it applies to wages, but simply not true. Women have 77 cents to the dollar in [B][I][U]EARNINGS[/U][/I][/B] because of lifestyle choices (pregnancy, supporting children, etc.). To add, I have a very hard time taking anything seriously from a social justice warrior being how often they contradict the issues that they are fighting for. Let's take femenism and transgenders as an example. They are trying to convince people that gender isn't a social construct with femenism (that men are women and vice versa), but the entire basis of being transgender is that you are assimilating with the apparent social constructs of the other gender.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50404084]I should have put in more context. I don't believe in the femenism that has been constructed by modern femenists who think females should be men. Women should have the same rights as men, but that doesn't mean they should be men. Equal rights is something I am a firm believer in, but modern femenists are spewing facts that are simply not true. An example of this would be that women earn 77 cents to every man's dollar. They take this statistic and automatically think it applies to wages, but simply not true. Women have 77 cents to the dollar in [B][I][U]EARNINGS[/U][/I][/B] because of lifestyle choices (pregnancy, supporting children, etc.). To add, I have a very hard time taking anything seriously from a social justice warrior being how often they contradict the issues that they are fighting for. Let's take femenism and transgenders as an example. They are trying to convince people that gender isn't a social construct with femenism (that men are women and vice versa), but the entire basis of being transgender is that you are assimilating with the apparent social constructs of the other gender.[/QUOTE] this sounds even less neutral

[QUOTE=Virtanen;50400454]Welcome to SJW vs. anti-SJW, it's the same as any other ideological 'debate' on the internet, just [B]sides waving their fucking dicks.[/B][/QUOTE] Fixed that for you even though before that was basically the gist of what you said.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50404084]I should have put in more context. I don't believe in the femenism that has been constructed by modern femenists who think females should be men. Women should have the same rights as men, but that doesn't mean they should be men. Equal rights is something I am a firm believer in, but modern femenists are spewing facts that are simply not true. An example of this would be that women earn 77 cents to every man's dollar. They take this statistic and automatically think it applies to wages, but simply not true. Women have 77 cents to the dollar in [B][I][U]EARNINGS[/U][/I][/B] because of lifestyle choices (pregnancy, supporting children, etc.). To add, I have a very hard time taking anything seriously from a social justice warrior being how often they contradict the issues that they are fighting for. Let's take femenism and transgenders as an example. They are trying to convince people that gender isn't a social construct with femenism (that men are women and vice versa), but the entire basis of being transgender is that you are assimilating with the apparent social constructs of the other gender.[/QUOTE] Have you considered these lifestyle choices aren't entirely their choice but are largely because they're kind of indoctrinated with what kind of careers they should choose, or lacking in upwards mobility to receive higher paying positions. And even if you control for stay-at-home moms, there is still a very large wage gap. Even at the same level of schooling, there is a wage gap. Even within the same majors in schooling, there is a wage gap. Like say what you want but when it comes to Fortune 500 Companies, women only make 5% of the total makeup of CEOs. Isn't that kind of weird to you, how 50% of the population only makes up 5% of a very successful position? It's not even like women aren't going into business, 50% of all business majors are women. Would you say women have the same opportunity as men when they make up 50% of business majors but don't make up anywhere close to 50% of high ranking positions in successful businesses?

Really at this point I really would not put it past Milo to be faking these incidents for attention.

I don't support Trump but I love Milo and agree with him on a lot of things. I consider myself left-wing but there's no denying intersectional feminism is cancer and this video proves it. Their solution is to silence dissent. That's not cool.

[QUOTE=meek;50405110]I don't support Trump but I love Milo and agree with him on a lot of things. I consider myself left-wing but there's no denying intersectional feminism is cancer and this video proves it. Their solution is to silence dissent. That's not cool.[/QUOTE] i don't know what intersectional feminism is, but surely the small group of people in the video doesn't prove that the entirety of the movement is "cancer"

[QUOTE=Lysander32;50404810]Have you considered these lifestyle choices aren't entirely their choice but are largely because they're kind of indoctrinated with what kind of careers they should choose, or lacking in upwards mobility to receive higher paying positions. And even if you control for stay-at-home moms, there is still a very large wage gap. Even at the same level of schooling, there is a wage gap. Even within the same majors in schooling, there is a wage gap. Like say what you want but when it comes to Fortune 500 Companies, women only make 5% of the total makeup of CEOs. Isn't that kind of weird to you, how 50% of the population only makes up 5% of a very successful position? It's not even like women aren't going into business, 50% of all business majors are women. Would you say women have the same opportunity as men when they make up 50% of business majors but don't make up anywhere close to 50% of high ranking positions in successful businesses?[/QUOTE] How is it not a choice to become pregnant? How is not a choice as to what career path you choose? It is extremely unlikely a woman will be discriminated against for trying to choose a career that she is capable of handling. What isn't alright is giving women unfair advantages over men when they are not working as much as men. They are always compensated and treated according to the amount of work they put in. The reason you see women making up 5% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies is that of their lifestyle choices, as I stated previously. Women, unless they choose to prolonged pregnancy, almost always put children in front of career. Work is about efficiency. It is unlikely workforces will lower their standards if women are unable to keep up just as they won't delegating work to countries like China for cheap labour. I believe women should pursue the career of their choice, but there are clear obstacles in their way from choices they have to make. [editline]27th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50405153]i don't know what intersectional feminism is, but surely the small group of people in the video doesn't prove that the entirety of the movement is "cancer"[/QUOTE] What do you think the movement is?

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50405172] The reason you see women making up 5% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies is that of their lifestyle choices, as I stated previously. Women, unless they choose to prolonged pregnancy, almost always put children in front of career. [/QUOTE] Bullshit and you know it. A 95% discrepancy CANNOT be explained by "lifestyle choices".

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50404084]To add, I have a very hard time taking anything seriously from a social justice warrior being how often they contradict the issues that they are fighting for. Let's take femenism and transgenders as an example. They are trying to convince people that gender isn't a social construct with femenism (that men are women and vice versa), but the entire basis of being transgender is that you are assimilating with the apparent social constructs of the other gender.[/QUOTE] did you mean to say "convince people that gender [I]is[/I] a social construct"? because i wanted to say something about this, but what you say doesn't make a lot of sense

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50405189]did you mean to say "convince people that gender [I]is[/I] a social construct"? because i wanted to say something about this, but what you say doesn't make a lot of sense[/QUOTE] Yeah I did. My bad. In simpler words: SJWs are femenists and transgender supporters. (Modern) Feminists say that men and women are the exactly the same in every sense. Transgenders believe that men are women are completely different hence they assimilate to the gender of their choosing. These two ideas contradict themselves.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50405172] Work is about efficiency. It is unlikely workforces will lower their standards if women are unable to keep up just as they won't delegating work to countries like China for cheap labour. I believe women should pursue the career of their choice, but there are clear obstacles in their way from choices they have to make.[/QUOTE] This is also dumb. You MIGHT have a point for more physical fields that require hard labour, but even thats stretching it. Even so, fields like computer science in which sex has no bearing whatsoever on 'efficiency', there's an incredibly large discrepancy between Men and Women in the makeup of the workforce. And it hasn't always been that way, so saying that women just natrually dont enjoy computer science for whatever reason (lmao) is far fetched at best.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;50405197]This is also dumb. You MIGHT have a point for more physical fields that require hard labour, but even thats stretching it. Even so, fields like computer science in which sex has no bearing whatsoever on 'efficiency', there's an incredibly large discrepancy between Men and Women in the makeup of the workforce. And it hasn't always been that way, so saying that women just natrually dont enjoy computer science for whatever reason (lmao) is far fetched at best.[/QUOTE] What is stopping women from persuing any career they choose?

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50405199]What is stopping women from persuing any career they choose?[/QUOTE] Cultural bias is a deeply rooted phenomenon in our society and just because there have been recent leaps forward in eliminating it does not mean it is gone. People look at stuff like that female lego scientist that was released in the past year or two and say "sexism is over!" but the women that are entering college and the workforce at present still grew up with the biases towards prospective careers that result in these discrepancies. I'm 20 and in my formative years these biases certainly did exist by and large in our culture. It's getting better, but the seeds take time to grow.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50405196]Yeah I did. My bad. In simpler words: SJWs are femenists and transgender supporters. (Modern) Feminists say that men and women are the exactly the same in every sense. Transgenders believe that men are women are completely different hence they assimilate to the gender of their choosing. These two ideas contradict themselves.[/QUOTE] [quote](Modern) Feminists say that men and women are the exactly the same in every sense.[/quote] Who says this? Are you paraphrasing or is this what you think "SJWs" believe? Because I don't think I've ever heard someone denying that the two genders are different. I think you might be missing the distinction between gender and gender roles

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50405237]Who says this? Are you paraphrasing or is this what you think "SJWs" believe? Because I don't think I've ever heard someone denying that the two genders are different. I think you might be missing the distinction between gender and gender roles[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;GuTWMMpv4yk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuTWMMpv4yk[/video] [video=youtube;PSsk_k7MBpw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSsk_k7MBpw[/video] [IMG]http://puu.sh/p7Crj/6ed1e11b52.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50405280][video=youtube;GuTWMMpv4yk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuTWMMpv4yk[/video][/QUOTE] mind telling me where in the video

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50405237]Who says this? Are you paraphrasing or is this what you think "SJWs" believe? Because I don't think I've ever heard someone denying that the two genders are different. I think you might be missing the distinction between gender and gender roles[/QUOTE] Why is there a distinction between gender and gender roles? Could you explain so I can get a better idea because genuinely have no idea.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50405196] Transgenders believe that men are women are completely different hence they assimilate to the gender of their choosing.[/QUOTE] That's not how it works. I do not "choose" to be "assimilating" to a different gender, please stop believing+repeating that.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50405297]mind telling me where in the video[/QUOTE] Here this is a more direct response: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_transgender_and_transsexual_people[/url] [QUOTE]Feminist views on transgender and transsexual people have evolved over the years from fairly critical to more accepting. Some feminists such as Janice Raymond and Sheila Jeffreys believe that transgender and transsexual people uphold and reinforce sexist gender roles and the gender binary, while other feminists, such as Judith Butler and Jack Halberstam, believe that transgender and transsexual people challenge repressive gender norms and that transgender politics are fully compatible with feminism. Additionally, some transgender and transsexual people, such as Julia Serano and Jacob Anderson-Minshall, are feminists.[/QUOTE] Femenists, whom are SJWs, have contrasting views on transgenders. The latter view as shared by Judith Butler and Jack Halberstam seem to be more and more rampants nowadays, from what I see at least.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50404084]I should have put in more context. I don't believe in the femenism that has been constructed by modern femenists who think females should be men. Women should have the same rights as men, but that doesn't mean they should be men. Equal rights is something I am a firm believer in, but modern femenists are spewing facts that are simply not true. An example of this would be that women earn 77 cents to every man's dollar. They take this statistic and automatically think it applies to wages, but simply not true. Women have 77 cents to the dollar in [B][I][U]EARNINGS[/U][/I][/B] because of lifestyle choices (pregnancy, supporting children, etc.). To add, I have a very hard time taking anything seriously from a social justice warrior being how often they contradict the issues that they are fighting for. Let's take femenism and transgenders as an example. They are trying to convince people that gender isn't a social construct with femenism (that men are women and vice versa), but the entire basis of being transgender is that you are assimilating with the apparent social constructs of the other gender.[/QUOTE] gavin, is that you?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50405366]That's not how it works. I do not "choose" to be "assimilating" to a different gender, please stop believing+repeating that.[/QUOTE] Transgender: An umbrella term that refers to those with identities that cross over, move between, or otherwise challenge the socially constructed border between the genders. While this can include medical or social transition, it may not. I have less of a problem with transsexuals because rather than being: "fuck you i be what i want to be you bigots" like transgenders, they actually realign their gender. Transsexual: A term referring to a person who does not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth and wishes, whether successful or not, to realign their gender and their sex through use of medical intervention. [QUOTE]'Transgender' describes a person, male or female, who dresses, behaves or presents themselves in a way that is different from their gender norm. Transgender includes transvestites/crossdressers, Drag Queens/Kings, androgynes and genderqueers. It does NOT include transsexual people. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50405458]Transgender: An umbrella term that refers to those with identities that cross over, move between, or otherwise challenge the socially constructed border between the genders. While this can include medical or social transition, it may not. I have less of a problem with transsexuals because rather than being: "fuck you i be what i want to be you bigots" like transgenders, they actually realign their gender. Transsexual: A term referring to a person who does not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth and wishes, whether successful or not, to realign their gender and their sex through use of medical intervention.[/QUOTE] What are you even trying to say? Do you have a problem with me because I don't want to be discriminated against? Is it wrong that I wish to be how I am? By the way, nobody actually [I]wants[/I] to be trans. It fucking sucks. People are moving away from the term "transsexual" because it's largely outdated and has immensely negative connotations to the public, as the term transsexual is almost synonymous with sex objects. Am I suddenly not as good as you want me to be because I haven't gone through with hormonal treatment? Am I not considered something to have "less of a problem" with?

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50405172]How is it not a choice to become pregnant? How is not a choice as to what career path you choose? It is extremely unlikely a woman will be discriminated against for trying to choose a career that she is capable of handling. What isn't alright is giving women unfair advantages over men when they are not working as much as men. They are always compensated and treated according to the amount of work they put in. The reason you see women making up 5% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies is that of their lifestyle choices, as I stated previously. Women, unless they choose to prolonged pregnancy, almost always put children in front of career. Work is about efficiency. It is unlikely workforces will lower their standards if women are unable to keep up just as they won't delegating work to countries like China for cheap labour. I believe women should pursue the career of their choice, but there are clear obstacles in their way from choices they have to make. [editline]27th May 2016[/editline] What do you think the movement is?[/QUOTE] You just ignored everything I said. I said controlling for stay at home moms, there is a wage gap. You repeated the pregnancy thing even though I addressed that. You said becoming a CEO is part of lifestyle choices. I cited the fact 50% of business majors are women. Shouldn't many business majors strive to become a CEO? I'm sure there's plenty, PLENTY of women who are looking to become a fortune 500 CEO. The world isn't a perfect meritocracy, there's plenty of stats proving that. In a completely different field, there was one study that, when you show code to prospective employers in the computer fields, women's written codes and men's written codes are largely equal in quality when gender is unknown. When gender is known, however, there is a noticeable drop in how employers deem women's quality in coding. I fail to see your vision of a "perfect meritocracy" when employers have these kind of biases. "Women aren't able to keep up", are you sure that's because women aren't given the same opportunities to get higher positions? You're suggesting women are worse than men at doing the same job.

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50405458]Transgender: An umbrella term that refers to those with identities that cross over, move between, or otherwise challenge the socially constructed border between the genders. While this can include medical or social transition, it may not. I have less of a problem with transsexuals because rather than being: "fuck you i be what i want to be you bigots" like transgenders, they actually realign their gender. Transsexual: A term referring to a person who does not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth and wishes, whether successful or not, to realign their gender and their sex through use of medical intervention.[/QUOTE] Uhhh... What? [URL="http://www.dictionary.com/browse/transgender"]Your defintion of transgender is way off.[/URL] It's an umbrella term that encompasses anyone that's not cis pretty much. Use this handy guide: [IMG]http://prideandjoycampaign.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/transgender-umbrella.jpg[/IMG] Also Milo is a fucking scumbag creep who does nothing more than intentionally piss people off. Somehow someone who works for fucking breitbart is given credibility. [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/48ia89/i_am_milo_yiannopoulos_and_donald_trump_is_my/"]He also calls Trump his daddy and its all a bit creepy.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50405468]People are moving away from the term "transsexual" because it's largely outdated and has immensely negative connotations to the public, as the term transsexual is almost synonymous with sex objects.[/QUOTE] this is news to me, I've never heard it in such a way other than "someone who transitioned over to the opposite sex."

[QUOTE=Lysander32;50405498]You just ignored everything I said. I said controlling for stay at home moms, there is a wage gap. You repeated the pregnancy thing even though I addressed that. You said becoming a CEO is part of lifestyle choices. I cited the fact 50% of business majors are women. Shouldn't many business majors strive to become a CEO? I'm sure there's plenty, PLENTY of women who are looking to become a fortune 500 CEO. The world isn't a perfect meritocracy, there's plenty of stats proving that. In a completely different field, there was one study that, when you show code to prospective employers in the computer fields, women's written codes and men's written codes are largely equal in quality when gender is unknown. When gender is known, however, there is a noticeable drop in how employers deem women's quality in coding. I fail to see your vision of a "perfect meritocracy" when employers have these kind of biases. "Women aren't able to keep up", are you sure that's because women aren't given the same opportunities to get higher positions? You're suggesting women are worse than men at doing the same job.[/QUOTE] I can't comment on women who code because it is a weird issue to talk about. Women were predominately coders in the 80s and it stopped from there. Not exactly sure what stopped it. Maybe it was sexism, can't comment. I didn't say that becoming a CEO was a lifestyle choice, but lifestyle choices create a regression in careers for females. I can also definately see sexism occuring in leadership positions, but that gender bias is definately disappearing as women start to take up more and more of those positions.