Milo Yiannopoulos at DePaul University 5-24-2016 (Attacked by Protester) - General

[QUOTE=Blazedol;50405577]this is news to me, I've never heard it in such a way other than "someone who transitioned over to the opposite sex."[/QUOTE] Where I come from, a lot of people consider the term "transexual" to be in regards to perverts/drag queens/crossdressers, or just sexually promiscuous men.

I feel like it were best if we halted this debate in case it becomes more heated. What I showed in the video with Milo is what people should be more concerned about. It was clear censorship of a calm public event. This should not be happening. We as a people should not be pushing our own agendas by censoring the other side. That is not a democracy.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50405633]Where I come from, a lot of people consider the term "transexual" to be in regards to perverts/drag queens/crossdressers, or just sexually promiscuous men.[/QUOTE] I don't mean to offend, but then that's just plainly the false definition. if anything, that'd refer more to transvestites but even then the implications of perversion would still make it inaccurate. I'd suggest you, if you haven't left where you came from yet, to attempt to educate any you find who say otherwise, though it's just terminology, so it's not like it's super important. Still, I'd hate to see a harmless word corrupted into something so stupid.

I don't like Milo but it's disgusting how many people in this thread think he shouldn't be allowed to complain when money went into this. The university basically scammed him.

Milo intentionally pisses people off, he's just like Katie Hopkins. The stuff he says about SJWs and the regressive left does have a bit of truth behind it though. [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50405633]Where I come from, a lot of people consider the term "transexual" to be in regards to perverts/drag queens/crossdressers, or just sexually promiscuous men.[/QUOTE] You're thinking of transvestite, which are crossdressers etc Drag Queens are a bit different though. Most drag queens mock gender (they're guys dancing around in wigs and dresses), while transsexuals take gender very seriously.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;50406789]I don't like Milo but it's disgusting how many people in this thread think he shouldn't be allowed to complain when money went into this. The university basically scammed him.[/QUOTE] He should consider suing. Milo might be a cunt but that's no reason to not uphold an agreement you were paid for. Why do people who so strongly oppose him even go to his talks? They know they will only get mad, so then why?

[QUOTE=SpartanApples;50407270]Drag Queens are a bit different though. Most drag queens mock gender (they're guys dancing around in wigs and dresses)[/QUOTE]This is 100% not true. A lot of drag queens are in fact trans themselves, and have been long supporters of the trans community, which in recent years has taken to turning against a community that not only includes many of their own amongst its numbers but actively helped get us where we are today in terms of what acceptance we have. [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] It absolutely fucking infuriates me to see bigots within the trans community treating the drag community like shit because they feel it somehow disrespects them, when those drag queens and their shows were a force in getting acceptance and respect for the trans community to begin with. Its just going, "Thanks for the help, but we're better than you now so get lost." Not that you are doing this, but I know [I]some[/I] of the people in this thread have.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50407426]This is 100% not true. A lot of drag queens are in fact trans themselves, and have been long supporters of the trans community, which in recent years has taken to turning against a community that not only includes many of their own amongst its numbers but actively helped get us where we are today in terms of what acceptance we have.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.vulture.com/2016/03/rupaul-drag-race-interview.html"]That was a quote was RuPaul[/URL]. Drag queens do support the trans community, but that doesn't mean they don't mock gender and identitiy. [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50407426] It absolutely fucking infuriates me to see bigots within the trans community treating the drag community like shit because they feel it somehow disrespects them, when those drag queens and their shows were a force in getting acceptance and respect for the trans community to begin with. Its just going, "Thanks for the help, but we're better than you now so get lost." Not that you are doing this, but I know [I]some[/I] of the people in this thread have.[/QUOTE] I completely agree with this though. Reminds of the 'Free Pride' in Scotland that banned drag queens.

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;50399561]milo is embarrassing[/QUOTE] what? all of this and you come to the conclusion that milo is the embarrassing one? typical

i'm a trump supporter but honestly milo is such a fucking idiot who acts like a 7 year old and constantly uses his "gay-ness" as a trump (heh) card and is in no way humble or he is literally no better than the feminists or lefties who he tries to debate as they all use the same tactics. i'm sure bernie supporters and feminists hate it when some dipshit represents their entire group and makes them all look bad tl;dr fuck milo

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50407426]This is 100% not true. A lot of drag queens are in fact trans themselves, and have been long supporters of the trans community, which in recent years has taken to turning against a community that not only includes many of their own amongst its numbers but actively helped get us where we are today in terms of what acceptance we have. [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] It absolutely fucking infuriates me to see bigots within the trans community treating the drag community like shit because they feel it somehow disrespects them, when those drag queens and their shows were a force in getting acceptance and respect for the trans community to begin with. Its just going, "Thanks for the help, but we're better than you now so get lost." Not that you are doing this, but I know [I]some[/I] of the people in this thread have.[/QUOTE] To quote Patton Oswalt, Ru Paul laid her back on barbed wire for LGBT rights throughout the eighties only for some fucking kids to run across it and scream 'bigot' at her when she used the word 'tranny'

[QUOTE=upsideonion;50408125]i'm a trump supporter but honestly milo is such a fucking idiot who acts like a 7 year old and constantly uses his "gay-ness" as a trump (heh) card and is in no way humble or he is literally no better than the feminists or lefties who he tries to debate as they all use the same tactics. i'm sure bernie supporters and feminists hate it when some dipshit represents their entire group and makes them all look bad tl;dr fuck milo[/QUOTE] you support trump, but you're criticizing someone else for being arrogant, childish, and inflammatory

[QUOTE=DiscoMelon;50408200]To quote Patton Oswalt, Ru Paul laid her back on barbed wire for LGBT rights throughout the eighties only for some fucking kids to run across it and scream 'bigot' at her when she used the word 'tranny'[/QUOTE] Make no mistake that Ru Paul is very much transphobic in plenty of ways and not at all helpful to transpeople and any movement because of it. It has nothing to do with him being drag and everything to do with his attitude towards transpeople. Also i'm 99.9% certain Ru uses male pronouns.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;50408068]what? all of this and you come to the conclusion that milo is the embarrassing one? typical[/QUOTE] Milo is a moron who only exists to perpetuate outrage culture, he's a vulture

[QUOTE=DiscoMelon;50408200]To quote Patton Oswalt, Ru Paul laid her back on barbed wire for LGBT rights throughout the eighties only for some fucking kids to run across it and scream 'bigot' at her when she used the word 'tranny'[/QUOTE] 1) Ru Paul uses male pronouns 2) Tranny is an extremely offensive word It's like "Aw man you shouldn't be so mad, all they said was 'Chink/Nigger/Faggot/Slope/Raghead'! No need to be upset!" [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] Drag queens are the worst lol

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50409026] Drag queens are the worst lol[/QUOTE] This is a golden comment. A vague, sweeping negative comment that encompasses an entire group of people. Let's try to apply it to other things, shall we? [quote]christians are the worst lol[/quote] [quote]gays are the worst lol[/quote] [quote]americans are the worst lol[/quote] [quote]trans people are the worst lol[/quote] [quote]liberals are the worst lol[/quote] [quote]muslims are the worst lol[/quote] This comment has opened my eyes, you are truly the Nostradamus of our time.

people are the worst

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;50409442]This is a golden comment. A vague, sweeping negative comment that encompasses an entire group of people. Let's try to apply it to other things, shall we? This comment has opened my eyes, you are truly the Nostradamus of our time.[/QUOTE] would you also rush to attack a comment that said "racists are the worst"?

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50409472]would you also rush to attack a comment that said "racists are the worst"?[/QUOTE] What the fuck? let's take a look at what a drag queen is: [quote=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_queen]A drag queen is a person, usually male, who dresses in drag and often acts with exaggerated femininity and in feminine gender roles. Often they will exaggerate certain characteristics such as make-up and eyelashes for comic, dramatic or satirical effect. While drag is very much associated with gay men and gay culture, there are drag artists of all sexualities. There are many kinds of drag artists and they vary greatly in dedication, from professionals who have starred in films to people who just try it once, or those who simply prefer clothing and makeup that is usually worn by the opposite sex in their culture. Drag queens can vary widely by class and culture. Other drag performers include drag kings, women who perform in male roles and attire, faux queens, who are women who dress in an exaggerated style to emulate drag queens, and faux kings, who are men who dress to impersonate drag kings. here are many reasons people do drag including self-expression, comfort, transvestic fetishism, and spiritual reasons, as well as the higher-profile performing and entertaining. Drag can be a creative outlet, a means of self-exploration, and a way to make cultural statements. While the general public may be most familiar with the "high drag" of professional performance artists, drag is also part of regular life and street culture for many gender-nonconforming or gender-variant people, who may or may not consider what they do, "drag." Drag queen activities among stage and street performers may include lip-synching performances, live singing, dancing, participating in events such as gay pride parades, drag pageants, or at venues such as cabarets and discotheques.[/quote] These seem like mostly positive things! I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure a racist is a bad person! So no, I would not. Are you next going to ask me if I would do the same for "serial murderers are the worst" ? Or maybe "rapists are the worst" ! I'd also love to compare it with "Anti-vaccers are the worst." What was even the point of this question? [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] Please, explain to me. What was the purpose behind comparing drag queens, which by and large seem to be positively linked with the LGBT community, with racists? I am genuinely curious why you would steer the conversation down such a dark corridor in such an intellectually dishonest way.

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;50409525]What the fuck? let's take a look at what a drag queen is: These seem like mostly positive things! I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure a racist is a bad person! So no, I would not. Are you next going to ask me if I would do the same for "serial murderers are the worst" ? Or maybe "rapists are the worst" ! I'd also love to compare it with "Anti-vaccers are the worst." What was even the point of this question?[/QUOTE] What? I thought you had a problem with generalizations. If you don't think drag queens deserve that sort of negativity then you should've said they don't deserve that sort of negativity, instead of bringing up "sweeping generalizations" when talking about a very specific type of performance

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50409808]What? I thought you had a problem with generalizations. If you don't think drag queens deserve that sort of negativity then you should've said they don't deserve that sort of negativity, instead of bringing up "sweeping generalizations" when talking about a very specific type of performance[/QUOTE] What an awful attempt at arguing semantics

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;50409837]What an awful attempt at arguing semantics[/QUOTE] How so? Your post puts other groups in the place of drag queens to show how bad you think Zillamaster's generalization was My post puts another group in the place of drag queens to show that the problem isn't with the generalization itself, but with the group you generalize (something you apparently agree with)

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50409852]How so? Your post puts other groups in the place of drag queens to show how bad you think Zillamaster's generalization was My post puts another group in the place of drag queens to show that the problem isn't with the generalization itself, but with the group you generalize (something you apparently agree with)[/QUOTE] How naive of me to assume that it went without saying, but your intentional red herring compels me to rephrase. Zillamaster is using one example of a bad drag queen (Ru Paul) to justify saying that they're all awful. This is, coincidentally, the same wrong reasoning that racists, islamaphobes, etc use to justify their beliefs. It is downright silly to use a very small sample (ISIS, Ru Paul, black criminals) to justify hating a much more diverse and nuanced population (all of muslims, all drag queens, black people). I would have thought this was pretty fucking evident, and your attempt to introduce confusion to the point is an obvious attempt at trolling. On your red herring, we have racists. By definition, all racists are racist, and I'm pretty sure most people would agree that racism is bad. Since racism is bad, and racists are racist, then all racists are bad.

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;50409990]How naive of me to assume that it went without saying, but your intentional red herring compels me to rephrase. Zillamaster is using one example of a bad drag queen (Ru Paul) to justify saying that they're all awful. This is, coincidentally, the same wrong reasoning that racists, islamaphobes, etc use to justify their beliefs. It is downright silly to use a very small sample (ISIS, Ru Paul, black criminals) to justify hating a much more diverse and nuanced population (all of muslims, all drag queens, black people). I would have thought this was pretty fucking evident, and your attempt to introduce confusion to the point is an obvious attempt at trolling. On your red herring, we have racists. By definition, all racists are racist, and I'm pretty sure most people would agree that racism is bad. Since racism is bad, and racists are racist, then all racists are bad.[/QUOTE] But Ru Paul isn't the reason Zillamaster hates drag queens? Where did you get that?

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50410004]But Ru Paul isn't the reason Zillamaster hates drag queens? Where did you get that?[/QUOTE] Racists are defined by being racist, which I think is a bad thing, which is why I think racists are bad. Drag queens are not inherently bad, so to say they are bad is a bigoted and prejudicial statement. Unless you mean to say that being a drag queen is in and of itself bad, in which case you aren't bigoted and prejudicial, you're just an asshole.

this is cancer.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50410004]But Ru Paul isn't the reason Zillamaster hates drag queens? Where did you get that?[/QUOTE] Well gee maybe it was the statement "drag queens are the worst lol" arising in the middle of a discussion of Ru Paul

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50410031]Racists are defined by being racist, which I think is a bad thing, which is why I think racists are bad. Drag queens are not inherently bad, so to say they are bad is a bigoted and prejudicial statement. Unless you mean to say that being a drag queen is in and of itself bad, in which case you aren't bigoted and prejudicial, you're just an asshole.[/QUOTE] Why? What's wrong with disliking drag queens? It's a very specific type of performance based on very specific tropes and stereotypes. You don't have to be an asshole not to like it

Oh hey, I just graduated from this school. It's a nice place. [QUOTE=dimitrik129;50399554] This is the worst part. The holders of the event paid thousands on security and the school admin told them to stand down.[/QUOTE] No, the school paid for the visit since Yiannopoulos was a guest speaker for a student organization. Student organizations file for funding through the DePaul activities board at the beginning of the year. If they don't, they're not officially a school group. DePaul's policies towards student groups make it nearly impossible for them to intervene in these situations. While Yiannopolus as a speaker would not be allowed normally if invited by faculty or staff due to his intentionally inflammatory and outrage-baiting attitude, the school couldn't do anything about it. DePaul faculty/staff are not allowed to cancel events called by student groups and they're required by Illinois law to abide by those policies. This is why the officers were told to stand down and wait for any acts of [I]actual [/I]violence. Summary: Conservative student organization hosts Yiannopoulos specifically to cause trouble for the university. They want revenge for getting in trouble for shit they pulled in the past protesting abortion on campus without permission, while also causing property damage. DePaul's main intention is to never stifle respectful open discourse of any topic, no matter how divisive it may be. However, speakers who only say shit to start shit (Speech whose primary purpose is to wound) are not included.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50410123]Why? What's wrong with disliking drag queens? It's a very specific type of performance based on very specific tropes and stereotypes. You don't have to be an asshole not to like it[/QUOTE] There is a stark difference between not liking drag shows and not liking drag queens. It's like the difference between saying "gay pride parades are the worst" and "flamboyant gay people are the worst". [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Super Muffin;50410135]Oh hey, I just graduated from this school. It's a nice place. No, the school paid for the visit since Yiannopoulos was a guest speaker for a student organization. Student organizations file for funding through the DePaul activities board at the beginning of the year. If they don't, they're not officially a school group. DePaul's policies towards student groups make it nearly impossible for them to intervene in these situations. While Yiannopolus as a speaker would not be allowed normally if invited by faculty or staff due to his intentionally inflammatory and outrage-baiting attitude, the school couldn't do anything about it. DePaul faculty/staff are not allowed to cancel events called by student groups and they're required by Illinois law to abide by those policies. This is why the officers were told to stand down and wait for any acts of [I]actual [/I]violence. Summary: Conservative student organization hosts Yiannopoulos specifically to cause trouble for the university. They want revenge for getting in trouble for shit they pulled in the past protesting abortion on campus without permission, while also causing property damage. DePaul's main intention is to never stifle respectful open discourse of any topic, no matter how divisive it may be. However, speakers who only say shit to start shit (Speech whose primary purpose is to wound) are not included.[/QUOTE] You can't tell me that if a group of alt right protestors stormed the stage of a feminist guest, snatched the presenters microphone, and threatened the guest, they would tell security to do nothing. This kind of behavior is at best grossly negligent and at worst an act of childish spite entirely unbecoming of an academic institution.