[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;47874165]Bruh.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/LXvCPf7.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I could not care less about a gutter dwelling 4chan neckbeard's opinion, no matter what subject.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47874561]I could not care less about a gutter dwelling 4chan neckbeard's opinion, no matter what subject.[/QUOTE]
wtf?
what he's saying makes sense tho and is a valid point brushing it off because it's 4chan is just incredibly arrogant
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47874561]I could not care less about a gutter dwelling 4chan neckbeard's opinion, no matter what subject.[/QUOTE]
He's not wrong, though.
You can like Fallout 3, but you can't deny that the story and characters were extremely shallow and just not well thought-out. Especially when you compare it to the various factions of New Vegas and how well everything ties together.
I understand that people liked New Vegas, and that there was a lot of coming-home feelings around it; but I thought New Vegas' story-line was also extremely flawed.
Caesar's Legion was just not very well-done, and even with their ridiculous premise ended up being really bland.
Yeah, the Legion was the biggest weakpoint of New Vegas. You ain't wrong there. There's nothing much to them other than "we're assholes".
But man is it better than literal white knights of steel fighting literal human-eating orcs.
One of the things I liked about NV over FO3 is that the locations and characters you met felt like they were a part of this world. With FO3 you just kinda bounced around locations that really had no reason to be there other than to [I]be there.[/I] Oh here's the [I]spooky place[/I], here's the [I]lord of the flies place[/I].
Idk, I've posted a lot about this but I had a soft-spot for FO3 because it felt closer to what Fallout 1 did for me which 4 me a very personal game that I had a real sincere connection to.
But certainly New Vegas accomplished more when it came to its world, what I remember about Fallout 3 concerns its quests and not much else and of course New Vegas had plenty of memorable ones as well.
I guess I'm saying there's no need to compare really, they felt like two games trying to accomplish vastly different things 'ya feel me?
I played the originals back in the day, too. Still got those fucking huge manuals lying around somewhere.
I guess, for me at least, I loved seeing the continuation of the previously established setting in New Vegas. It felt more [I]Post[/I]-Apocalyptic. Whereas everyone can do a destroyed dilapidated nuclear apocalypse, not a lot of games or movies show the actual societies and governments that spring up hundreds of years after the fact.
Plus, I have a boner for westerns so being a cowboy with a revolver really resonated with me.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;47874165]Bruh.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/LXvCPf7.png[/img][/QUOTE]
He left out a pretty important plot point on how Enclave was trying to fuck with the water purifier and insert a virus into it, which would kill all "non-pure" creatures drinking the water :v:
[QUOTE=FpShepard;47874740]He left out a pretty important plot point on how Enclave was trying to fuck with the water purifier and insert a virus into it, which would kill all "non-pure" creatures drinking the water :v:[/QUOTE]
I don't see how that's a bad thing :v:
[QUOTE=FpShepard;47874740]He left out a pretty important plot point on how Enclave was trying to fuck with the water purifier and insert a virus into it, which would kill all "non-pure" creatures drinking the water :v:[/QUOTE]
That was only the President's plan which traced back to F2 Enclave's plan to wipe out the entire country via air streams. The rest of the Enclave didn't want to insert the virus because they wanted to establish a totalitarian community over the Capital population.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47874561]I could not care less about a gutter dwelling 4chan neckbeard's opinion, no matter what subject.[/QUOTE]
Dismissing someone based on who they are, and not the content of their opinion/argument, is pretty damn ignorant.
Have you even tried to participate in a 4chan discussion without shutting down and calling everyone a "gutter dwelling neckbeard" before running off to a hugbox?
Is Facepunch a hugbox
- Snip, not going to feed some petty argument -
[QUOTE=thisispain;47874588]I understand that people liked New Vegas, and that there was a lot of coming-home feelings around it; but I thought New Vegas' story-line was also extremely flawed.
Caesar's Legion was just not very well-done, and even with their ridiculous premise ended up being really bland.[/QUOTE]
What was your problem with the Legion?
[QUOTE=FpShepard;47874740]He left out a pretty important plot point on how Enclave was trying to fuck with the water purifier and insert a virus into it, which would kill all "non-pure" creatures drinking the water :v:[/QUOTE]
Which was pretty much just "bad guys are bad and are doing bad thing to demonstrate they're bad."
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;47874844]Dismissing someone based on who they are, and not the content of their opinion/argument, is pretty damn ignorant.
Have you even tried to participate in a 4chan discussion without shutting down and calling everyone a "gutter dwelling neckbeard" before running off to a hugbox?[/QUOTE]
It's easier to dismiss an opinion based on who they are or what they might look like before entering the discussion. That way you don't need to have your opinions challenged.
Okay, calm down Parmenides; he's here getting his opinion "challenged".
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;47874057]since bethesda is writing it, maybe we'll have great story elements such as:
- losing karma for killing ghouls that murdered an entire tower's worth of innocent people who, upon asking, say they're okay with ghouls living there
- blowing up an entire town and having 0 negative repercussions at all aside from 1 line of dialogue from like, 1 person
- super mutant resistant to all types of radiation: "no... its your destiny...."
- water..... purifier.....
- little lamplight....
- after hundreds of years, the ancient arts of "sweeping" and "carpentry" are lost; people elect to live in shitty shacks with scrap metal laying everywhere
please oh god let there be some kind of confirmation that the guys who wrote FO3 aren't writing this. i'd be happy if at least [I]one[/I] obsidian/ former obsidian guy was working on this.[/QUOTE]
Megaton does have negative repercussions though. Aside from the loads of negative karma, at some point the surviving megaton people will try to murder you. Also moira brown is moved to the DC ruins, so its going to be less convenient to do her quests (if you ever find her). It also might be that if you havent started them she dies and you cant do the quest line. Also you cant take a shortcut to finding your dad if you blow up the town before you take it.
Having really low karma also means that you cant get several followers in the game, and it makes it so that you periodically get attacked by the regulators.
I've never played any Fallout, is it any good?
Which game should I start with?
[QUOTE=thisispain;47875340]Okay, calm down Parmenides; he's here getting his opinion "challenged".[/QUOTE]
New Vegas didn't have a good story for the most part but I did find it a better game story leaving me more to do in the story itself
So what do you guys think?
Is that blimp a NPC with the blimp being it's hat? :v:
[QUOTE=nomad1;47875883]So what do you guys think?
Is that blimp a NPC with the blimp being it's hat? :v:[/QUOTE]
I smell Fallout 4 Pre-Order TF2 Hats!
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;47874165]Bruh.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/LXvCPf7.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I don't think it's that silly that enclave and bos went to war despite wanting the same thing, they both wanted the same thing but for different reasons and the ideological differences is what caused the fighting.
And as for the FEV thing that was a crazy scheme by the president that the other peeps didn't know about at all.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47875316]Which was pretty much just "bad guys are bad and are doing bad thing to demonstrate they're bad."[/QUOTE]
The Enclave believed that they were the true heirs to America and the direct continuation of American government (this is well established in the games.) As such, they believed in a manifest destiny; America was theirs, and nobody else was American. By releasing a virus into the water to kill literally everyone that isn't American (by their standards,) they can move in and claim the wasteland as their own virtually unopposed.
Also I kinda get confused when people discuss the BoS and the Enclave in Fallout 3. Isn't America a big place? Isn't it reasonable to assume that other Enclave strongholds existed aside from the oil rig in this gigantic country, especially considering how powerful the American government was in a time where it was immensely paranoid? Also, don't the Brotherhood exist mostly in California? If the BoS we see is an expansion of that, wouldn't that have taken a very long time to reach the other coast? Wouldn't they have been there for decades, almost completely cut off from their brothers in the West? Don't societies and cultures diverge naturally after they become cut off from each other for very long periods of time? I don't think it's far fetched to assume that after a very, very long amount of time, the Brotherhood in the East developed their own philosophies unique from the ones in the West. I'm not saying that Fallout 3 is a very well written game, it's not really, but the biggest criticisms seem to fall apart under the most basic scrutiny.
[QUOTE=kariko;47871992]I'm guessing at E3 they're gonna show off some gameplay. Can't wait for that!
[editline]oh[/editline]
Oh, durr. Just looked at the description.[/QUOTE]
Builds hype before E3, guarantees massive showing at their conference, and allows them to spend more time to elaborate id suppose
Man I just watched that trailer for the 9th time.
I especially love that reprisal of the main theme from FO3
Looking forward to seeing what king of amazing things the community can make through mods for this game
Well personally speaking I found Fallout 3 to have a very un-immerisve and often questionable world which - while it looked pretty - there were things that made me feel like things were no running how they should.
I came to realize it was due to the illogical choices or often lack of attention to civilization in F3 Besthesda made; from towns, villages or even the basis of farming and surviving. Most people ate pre-war food and the atmosphere was one more of a few days after the bombs fell, not over two hundred years.
This has probably been posted before, but I always feel its relevant when it comes to a Bethesda open world;
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwlt4FqmS0[/media]
With that, I have found Bethesda can make a world look pretty - but they fail at giving it heart and soul.
One thing I really hope they get finally fix are the shitty loading times. Completely ruined the re-playability of FO3 and NV for me
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