• Dunkey - Ocarina of Time (dunkview)
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[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;48544044]I played OOT for the first time a year ago and I made almost to the end but got bored. It wasn't memorable.[/QUOTE] ending of majora's mask is super super memorable
Ocarina is a truly great game. And it's one of the most overrated games of all time.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;48544239]ending of majora's mask is super super memorable[/QUOTE] What the HELL does that have to do with OCARINA OF TIME ?!
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;48546317]What the HELL does that have to do with OCARINA OF TIME ?![/QUOTE] relax, i was saying that majoras mask is more memorable than oot lol, especially for the ending, if you wanted a zelda experience that would be worth your time
OOT, being the first zelda game I played, is great. But after replaying it (since I only had it at the time) over and over, I now realize how overrated it is, but I can also appreciate it more knowing the flaws, such as the last two dungeons, I fucking hate those two dungeons, and the little bit child link dungeon before it. [editline]26th August 2015[/editline] Though, the last time I went through those two dungeons and mini-dungeons, I wasn't really in the mood so I had to push myself through them. [editline]26th August 2015[/editline] Oh and this review made me realize how good the game is once again. It's the fucking music.
My N64 is still the console I play the most, to this day, I love my NES and Genesis and I'm about to pick up a Dreamcast. The newest console I own is a PS1 When it comes to modern games, there's VERY few that I actually enjoy. [editline]26th August 2015[/editline] the funny thing is though, the PS1, NES, Genesis were all acquired in the past 3 years
I remember when OOT came out; we had an n64 at the after school program/daycare. All we did was watch kids taking turns speed running through OOT, before I even knew what speed running was. We'd all be playing pokemon on our gameboy colors, trading secrets and shit. One kid had an original gameboy (black and white, big gray thing) who threw it on the floor, shattering it into a bunch of pieces because he wanted his parents to buy him a gameboy color. He cried 5 minutes after.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;48543230]I'm still yet to play Ocarina of Time. Alas as I have no Nintendo Consoles or Handhelds it's going to stay that way for a while.[/QUOTE] You can emulate it.
I look at OOT the way I'd look at something like "Casablanca". If Casablanca came out today everyone would tear it to bits and say it's cliche'd as hell. The reason why Casablanca is a classic is because it's the damn movie that created those cliches in the 1st place. It's the same with OOT; sure, by today's standards it's not the greatest thing ever, but the fact is it was the inspiration for everything that was to come later, and THAT is a big reason why it's one of the most important games ever made. (Also MM was my 1st Zelda game, too. I found and bought OOT at a Swap Meet shortly afterward, was lucky to get an earlier version with the red blood/original Gerudo Symbol/Islamic-Sounding Fire Temple music) EDIT: Also may I just remind everyone that OOT had the most beautiful Title Screen of all time. [video=youtube;5MD__K-nm4Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MD__K-nm4Q[/video]
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;48544239]ending of majora's mask is super super memorable[/QUOTE] when this music came on [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyGVXAXxmBA[/media] oh man. then with that clocktower ringing. crazy
[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;48549649]I look at OOT the way I'd look at something like "Casablanca". If Casablanca came out today everyone would tear it to bits and say it's cliche'd as hell. The reason why Casablanca is a classic is because it's the damn movie that created those cliches in the 1st place. It's the same with OOT; sure, by today's standards it's not the greatest thing ever, but the fact is it was the inspiration for everything that was to come later, and THAT is a big reason why it's one of the most important games ever made.[/QUOTE] I mostly agree with this. I don't particularly love the game or anything, and on the list of my favorite Zelda games it would probably not even reach the top 5, to be honest. But it was very innovative at the time, and one of the first good 3D action adventure games in general. I respect it for that. A lot of the cliche'd things in OOT weren't just cliches because they've popped up a lot later, though, just saying. It's a very cliche game, and it always was.
I think the biggest thing that helps OoT remain so timeless is the fact that to this day, it's an extremely playable game. The Z-targeting worked so well that I don't think most people would have trouble adjusting to it from modern video games. The GC version would probably be preferable since the N64 controller is so inherently goofy, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the game itself. Because of that, I don't really get the whole 'it was only good for the time' angle. It's fine today, really. There's plenty of content.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;48551718]I think the biggest thing that helps OoT remain so timeless is the fact that to this day, it's an extremely playable game. The Z-targeting worked so well that I don't think most people would have trouble adjusting to it from modern video games. The GC version would probably be preferable since the N64 controller is so inherently goofy, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the game itself. Because of that, I don't really get the whole 'it was only good for the time' angle. It's fine today, really. There's plenty of content.[/QUOTE] I don't think there's a lot of people who say it's a bad game by today's standards, mostly just that it isn't an amazing game by today's standards.
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;48550452]when this music came on [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyGVXAXxmBA[/media] oh man. then with that clocktower ringing. crazy[/QUOTE] it's all about majora's theme man [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ_BQX88g0k[/media]
Wow, I can't believe Dunkey can't hold an opinion. Changing his mind all over the place and stuff. [video=youtube;3u4PCz_Q4jw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u4PCz_Q4jw[/video]
[QUOTE=elowin;48551849]I don't think there's a lot of people who say it's a bad game by today's standards, mostly just that it isn't an amazing game by today's standards.[/QUOTE] Yeah, when I beat the game for the first time in the same 3DS playthrough I mentioned on the first page, on one hand it was a nostalgia-laden trip, but on the other hand I realized that Mask trading and Biggoron's Sword aside, there really wasn't a lot of extra meat to the game and the title didn't even do a whole lot special besides serve as the perfect action-adventure basis for 3D titles after that. Infact, besides the more unique aspects only able to be done because of the 3D design, the base game is pretty much A Link to the Past, replacing the Dark World swapping with Child and Adult Link swapping.
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;48550452]when this music came on [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyGVXAXxmBA[/media] oh man. then with that clocktower ringing. crazy[/QUOTE] MM accomplished better a horror atmosphere than pretty much every AAA horror game in the last 10 years. And in a rated E game.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;48540313]I disagree It seemed like the same little gush I hear everyone talk about, going "wow the music is just GREAT and link is just HYEAAH and it REALLY feels like this EPIC ADVENTURE, and hoLY SHIT its just SO GOOD, and the TIME TRAVEL" and yeah, it gets tiring after a while Having only actually played Ocarina of Time a few years older than Dunkey was (10), I have even less of a nostalgia-vision than he does. Best I can say is that back when this game came out, I can totally understand being "holy [B][I]SHIT[/I][/B] this is a fucking masterpiece" since it was a dawn of a new era of gaming, and Ocarina of Time revamped Zelda as a whole and made it feel like something incredible that you've never experienced before Present time, if a game is as good as Ocarina of Time, it's sub-par. Standards are higher now, because we've past that era where Ocarina of Time [I]was[/I] a must-play game of all time. But if someone has been playing modern AAA titles, and then moved on to start OoT, I'm pessimistic they'll be as blown away as we all are.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but what games are you talking about that are so good? I mean most games take one setting and all the art revolves around it. The OoT map almost felt like an MMO's with there being grassy fields, forests, castles, rivers, lakes, deserts, and all that. Even the temples designs were all pretty different (layout-wise). Then there's the little things like playing music to frogs, catching fish, milking cows, catching those ghost things, diving, the bomb gallery place. I can't name any RPG today, or even in the last 10 years, that has come close to the amount of content that OoT has. And I mean content that isn't 40 books worth of text by talking to characters. I never got to play through the entire game by myself and I only got to watch my cousin(s) play the whole game as it was their nintendo. But holy shit you're deluding yourself if you think this game is sub-par by todays standards. Yeah, the controls, graphics, and camera are outdated but the game is fucking solid even by todays standards.
[QUOTE=TreasoN.avi;48554018]I can't name any RPG today, or even in the last 10 years, that has come close to the amount of content that OoT has. And I mean content that isn't 40 books worth of text by talking to characters.[/QUOTE] This is a joke right? OOT was amazingly complex for its time, and still has quite a bit of content by today's standards as far as action adventure games go, but tons of RPGs nowadays have way more content, especially Western RPGs. How many RPGs have you played in the last 10 years?
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48554057]This is a joke right? OOT was amazingly complex for its time, and still has quite a bit of content by today's standards as far as action adventure games go, but tons of RPGs nowadays have way more content, especially Western RPGs. How many RPGs have you played in the last 10 years?[/QUOTE] Yeah, you do have some optional challenges for Pieces of Heart or upgrades for the wallet, bomb bags and deku nuts, but the main two sidequests of the game are the Mask trading and going through the conditions to get the Biggoron's Sword instead of the Giant's Knife. Otherwise there's random holes around Hyrule for loot, the Dampe races after getting the Hookshot, the Poe hunts across Hyrule Field, the Magic Beans for getting a few out-of-the-way heart pieces. But in terms of raw content, there isn't much. It also doesn't help that until you get Epona and the warp songs as Adult Link, Hyrule Field's wide open expanse is pretty much pointlessly empty and only serves as an oversized hub between each major area that forces you to run through it repeatedly as Child Link.
[QUOTE=TreasoN.avi;48554018]I'm sorry, but what games are you talking about that are so good? I mean most games take one setting and all the art revolves around it. The OoT map almost felt like an MMO's with there being grassy fields, forests, castles, rivers, lakes, deserts, and all that. Even the temples designs were all pretty different (layout-wise). Then there's the little things like playing music to frogs, catching fish, milking cows, catching those ghost things, diving, the bomb gallery place. I can't name any RPG today, or even in the last 10 years, that has come close to the amount of content that OoT has. And I mean content that isn't 40 books worth of text by talking to characters. I never got to play through the entire game by myself and I only got to watch my cousin(s) play the whole game as it was their nintendo. But holy shit you're deluding yourself if you think this game is sub-par by todays standards. Yeah, the controls, graphics, and camera are outdated but the game is fucking solid even by todays standards.[/QUOTE] If we are going with the MMO comparison, Everquest, which came out only a few months after OoT had a lot more content at launch. It's solid, but it's not amazing these days.
[QUOTE=Skyward;48544481]Ocarina is a truly great game. And it's one of the most overrated games of all time.[/QUOTE] I'm quoting this but I'm more or less referencing the entire thread and anyone else who might feel this way. I disagree with using terms like "overrated" or "underrated," it's like a weird way of critiquing a piece by critiquing the critique of the piece. Just tell me how you feel about the game, don't relate your opinion to anyone else's. A lot of the time it's not even saying anything. "This game is great, but not as great as you're saying it is" so you think it's an 8 while someone else think it's 9 or a 10? I mean what does that add to the conversation. Also I disagree with saying things like "this didn't hold up to the test of time" or "if this game was made today it would be a subpar game," especially with regards to video games. Whether or not this is true for OoT doesn't really matter. Because it wasn't made today, a lot of the love for Ocarina comes from the context in which it came in. It was revolutionary for 3D games. Context matters. Disclaimer: man I don't even fucking like Zelda games
[QUOTE=Dunsparce;48554147]I'm quoting this but I'm more or less referencing the entire thread and anyone else who might feel this way. I disagree with using terms like "overrated" or "underrated," it's like a weird way of critiquing a piece by critiquing the critique of the piece. Just tell me how you feel about the game, don't relate your opinion to anyone else's. A lot of the time it's not even saying anything. "This game is great, but not as great as you're saying it is" so you think it's an 8 while someone else think it's 9 or a 10? I mean what does that add to the conversation. Also I disagree with saying things like "this didn't hold up to the test of time" or "if this game was made today it would be a subpar game," especially with regards to video games. Whether or not this is true for OoT doesn't really matter. Because it wasn't made today, a lot of the love for Ocarina comes from the context in which it came in. It was revolutionary for 3D games. Context matters. Disclaimer: man I don't even fucking like Zelda games[/QUOTE] I feel like overrated and underrated should be reserved for the critical reception of games, since that's a lot more objective, instead of "it's overrated because I've seen too many people praise it". You're still comparing it to your subjective opinion, but there's still more substance to that. For instance, I feel that Bioshock Infinite is overrated and The Wonderful 101 is underrated.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48554191]I feel like overrated and underrated should be reserved for the critical reception of games, since that's a lot more objective, instead of "it's overrated because I've seen too many people praise it". You're still comparing it to your subjective opinion, but there's still more substance to that. For instance, I feel that Bioshock Infinite is overrated and The Wonderful 101 is underrated.[/QUOTE] i'm not sure what you're even saying
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;48550452]when this music came on [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyGVXAXxmBA[/media] oh man. then with that clocktower ringing. crazy[/QUOTE] If Majoras Mask ever gets a real remake, not just updated textures/models but a real balls to the wall from the ground up remake, they need to get this guy to do the music. The MM album he made is one of my favorite albums of anything ever because he so perfectly captured the somber atmosphere of the game and its music. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ3CYLU3zTA[/media] That and the December 21st end of the world stunt he pulled when he released this was ultra hype.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;48540313]I disagree It seemed like the same little gush I hear everyone talk about, going "wow the music is just GREAT and link is just HYEAAH and it REALLY feels like this EPIC ADVENTURE, and hoLY SHIT its just SO GOOD, and the TIME TRAVEL" and yeah, it gets tiring after a while Having only actually played Ocarina of Time a few years older than Dunkey was (10), I have even less of a nostalgia-vision than he does. Best I can say is that back when this game came out, I can totally understand being "holy [B][I]SHIT[/I][/B] this is a fucking masterpiece" since it was a dawn of a new era of gaming, and Ocarina of Time revamped Zelda as a whole and made it feel like something incredible that you've never experienced before Present time, if a game is as good as Ocarina of Time, it's sub-par. Standards are higher now, because we've past that era where Ocarina of Time [I]was[/I] a must-play game of all time. But if someone has been playing modern AAA titles, and then moved on to start OoT, I'm pessimistic they'll be as blown away as we all are.[/QUOTE] Yeah but most modern AAA titles are shit. You either get the same game rehashed over and over or a title stuffed with so much DLC and microtransactions that getting all you can get out of one game will cost you double the retail price. If a company other than Nintendo tried to make a modern day Majora's Mask they would probably have mask DLC and if you didn't buy it you couldn't unlock the true final ending, just imagine a $4.99 bunny hood/bomb mask. Personally I didn't play any Zelda games till I was nearly 20, a friend had me play OOT first and it influenced me to dust off my old consoles and buy a Wii, 3DS and a Wii U just so I could continue playing them. No other modern AAA title could convince me to buy a console just for a couple games.
[QUOTE=Why485;48554362]If Majoras Mask ever gets a real remake, not just updated textures/models but a real balls to the wall from the ground up remake, they need to get this guy to do the music. The MM album he made is one of my favorite albums of anything ever because he so perfectly captured the somber atmosphere of the game and its music. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ3CYLU3zTA[/media] That and the December 21st end of the world stunt he pulled when he released this was ultra hype.[/QUOTE] ohhhhhhhhh that's good
I really think that Ocarina of Time can't be compared as far as standards now. This game was simply groundbreaking at the time. The scope of this adventure and it's outlets and little specs of dirt and dust made this a complete package. How many games nowadays can say that or do that? This game instilled something in players that GAVE them nostalgia-goggles and all these hundreds of youtubers that glow and sense of worth of a "masterpiece". The game was strong in all aspects. The last game you played nowadays that broke ground, what was it? Playing games like Metroid when I was younger, and seeing current adventures and such it doesn't compare. That's not because it wasn't latent with nostalgia or good game mechanics or interesting monsters and worlds et. It was because it took me somewhere in some way that other games could not. Games like Dark Souls, which I absolutely love, can only mirror it in a way. It's a dark universe but explored in a familiar medium. I mean, of course games have gotten better and evolved but look at you playing some series. A game I think that can take you on an adventure in such a way that made it memorable was one xbox indie game. Brothers a tale of two sons or such. Such a short game with such a story to tell, it's those little things we take for granted I feel.
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