• Garry's Mod Time travel!
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[QUOTE=-TRASE-;22563909]Me interested [editline]12:16AM[/editline] I got it! It's all because the engine of the car is Darth Vader! [IMG_thumb]http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q140/RomaZroddoma/gm_construct0000-4.jpg[/IMG_thumb] :ms:[/QUOTE] [url=http://dclone2.deviantart.com/art/Nothing-Moved-Except-the-Birds-167413518]Here you are then.[/url] Hope it is entertaining. It's pretty bad though, I wrote it like 2 years ago.
Also, [IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/ParaParadox.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Nexosz;22563748]- Start 1. Guy joins 2. Guy builds 3. Guy sees incoming object with dead man inside 4. Guy takes it and goes back in time 5. Guy crashes and dies - End This only happened one time. But this is the paradox giving you illusion of infinite amounts. And now imagine this: When that guy, instead of dropping dead body away, would leave it as it is and ride with it?[/QUOTE] From the car's perspective though: 1. Car crashes 2. Guy gets in 3. Goes back in time 4. goto 1 [QUOTE=-TRASE-;22564205]Also, [img_thumb]http://filesmelt.com/dl/ParaParadox.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Is that some sort of metaphor using portals to suggest that he made the car, and then started the paradox, rather than it having no beginning?
Therefore it's not infinite paradox because yes, car can crash, so it continues it's loop and does something different during each of it's passes, therefore it can stop happening. [editline]09:33PM[/editline] But when it crashes, it ends the loop. That means it never started because it couldn't continue it. Nothing really existed. Nothing happened. oh boy I love paradoxes
Why doesn't the machine break?
False pretense. Although I suppose if every star in a galaxy aligns under a twin blue full moon on the 61st of the 50th month in a leap year the car could materialize by chance. If he can't build it, it can't go back in the first place. Simple as that really. Any cars he would build would require him to be alive to build it, meaning he can't use it to interfere.
That was... interesting...
Let's say his future self made the car. Once the past self finds the car, the event where he made the car no longer exists.
[QUOTE=Paynith;22566270]Let's say his future self made the car. Once the past self finds the car, the event where he made the car no longer exists.[/QUOTE] Dat paradox.
[QUOTE=Paynith;22566270]Let's say his future self made the car. Once the past self finds the car, the event where he made the car no longer exists.[/QUOTE] Novikov says that by necessity, him finding the car leads him to a series of events that causes him to build the car which ends up in the past where it can influence him to build the car where... you see where it's going.
Someone watch Moon recently?
This isn't really a paradox. If you were a bystander, this is how it'd look like: Player would spawn, car would appear, and player would leave in car. Player would be gone, and you'd continue with your life. But then the car would never have been obtained - so this is impossible. If the car would come from the future, then he'd kill himself and stop himself from creating it. If I can recall right, there's already been an answer to the grandfather paradox - you cannot change the past. The story posted on the last page describes this well. The entire scenario cannot happen - it's like Harry Potter or the likes - it just can't happen. We humans can be convinced to believe it can, and rationalize it.. but [B]it can't happen[/B]. There's one more possibility though. The car doesn't go back in time, but rather to an alternate universe each time it teleports. |Universe 1 The creation of the machine, the player enters the car and travels |Universe 2 Same spot, in another universe, the player kills a person who happens to be exactly the same as him. The second player travels in the car to Universe 3. |Universe 3| The same happens, but just to universe 4. If alternate universes exists, and travel between them is possible - then the scenario is possible - just very, very, very unlikely (though, the likelyhood if it happening would almost be certain, but happening:universes ratio would be low). My thoughts about this subject.
A: Where did the time machine come from in the first place? B: The reason the guy gets in the time machine is that this is the only thing that can cause fate/destiny. He [b]has[/b] to get in the time machine and go back into the past and get killed, otherwise it would never have happened, and thus the past would be altered, etc. etc.
What if you go back in time and kill your self, the time machine does not exist, but how did you past self get killed from your future self?
Once more Novikov provides a simple solution; there is an infinite number of alternate self consistent solutions, all of which are infinitely more likely to occur than the paradox scenario, which is in fact impossible. In other words, asking why you can't kill yourself with time travel is like asking why you can't fly by the power of wishful thinking.
[QUOTE=Dclone2;22564024][url=http://dclone2.deviantart.com/art/Nothing-Moved-Except-the-Birds-167413518]Here you are then.[/url] Hope it is entertaining. It's pretty bad though, I wrote it like 2 years ago.[/QUOTE] [img]http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6567/mindblown.png[/img]
it was dumb
Time travel always confused me. This paradox is one of the easier things about time travel to understand though.
All we know is, this should be an addon.
[QUOTE=jr059375;22562725]I wanna know how he got the Time Machine in the first place, seeing as he's in a continuous loop.[/QUOTE] [quote]A paradox is a statement or group of statements that leads to a contradiction or a situation which defies intuition. The term is also used for an apparent contradiction that actually expresses a non-dual truth.[/quote]
[QUOTE=-TRASE-;22563034]The funny thing is, no one actually made that car. (if we look at the time concept as "you can't change the past or the future" - If something happened in some time, it will always happen in said time, no matter what.)[/QUOTE] But if this is true, then it wouldn't be continuous, if he made the car in the future, then went into the continuous loop, then he wouldn't have been able to make the car, thus destroying the loop and continuing time. Fuck, but if nothing happened, he'd still make the car. Well shit. The only way it would stop is if someone stopped him from getting in the time machine.
Very weird.
see [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naming_of_Names[/URL] in the story, people settle mars > get infected by a virus > mutate into wierd martians > rescue teams come to bring stranded people back to earth > find noone > decide to stay and colonize > get infected by a virus > mutate into wierd martians > rescue teams come to bring stranded people back to earth > find noone > decide to stay and colonize > get infected by a virus > mutate into wierd martians > rescue teams come to bring stranded people back to earth > find noone > decide to stay and colonize > repeat infinitely not a time loop, but a decision loop. unrelated people following the same path and the same fate, but at different times, one after another. creepy huh? i know this isnt on subject, but when that one guy mentioned the twilight zone, and pelpix mentioned loops, i dug out this story out of an old magazine and pulled the term "Decision loop" out of my ass
I think I would have noticed that was MY corpse in that car (unless it was charred to an unrecognizable state) and I would stay the hell away from that thing. At any rate, how many people here wouldn't check the body at all and just hop into the strange vehicle and push buttons? [IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/ads/rating/tick.png[/IMG] for Yes [IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/ads/rating/cross.png[/IMG] for No [editline]06:11AM[/editline] But, all in all the video was pretty well made. It's kind of an "in theory" thing. Inb4 someone makes a wisecrack about Communism.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;22623774]Honestly, I don't think this a paradox. A paradox in time travel is when you fuck something up. This is a flawless, perfectly repeating loop, almost the exact opposite of a paradox[/QUOTE] It's a paradox because the car can't exist.
Isn't this in the wrong section? Shouldn't this be in the Garry's Mod videos section? P.S: I still don't get where he got the time machine from :(
The car is the only constant (apart from the viewer, obviously) so the car crashes over and over, getting more damage over time. Everything else gets reset, but the car keeps all the damage and wear it has. So even if it didn't crash into something when coming out of the time warp, wear on the car would eventually break the loop. One can repair the damage and start another cycle, but the original loop is broken.
I waited 5 minutes for something interesting to happen, but that was pretty pointless I found.
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