How to Recognize a Fascist | ContraPoints - General

[QUOTE=01271;52638653]Definitely not a boring talking head like what you're used to.[/QUOTE] not really. this is literally all it is.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52645990]There is no airtight definition of the western culture or society, it's dogwhistle for "white people" hence white nationalists using it so often. The alt right isn't building museums, they intend to cast out or purge "non whites." Try to just define "western culture/society" based upon countries and boundaries; you're going to have a hard time getting lines that most can agree on especially if you go back through history. Generally speaking it has more to do with economic/military alliances and interdependence than cultural heritage because even wikipedias own defenition of "the western world" defines it as countries or ideas related to europe while also including north america, australia, NZ, a single nation in south america and excluding Russia despite the fact that 2/3rds of russian live in the European part of the country.[/QUOTE] I just listened to an evolutionary biologist describe the social and political relevance of an old 4chan meme. They made a art, and that art is being discussed by intellectuals around the world. When even your memes are being broken down like Mozart pieces, I'd say you're winning at culture. I find it incredibly ironic that these are the same people that tell me hip-hop "isn't music."

[QUOTE=MedicWine;52646008]I just listened to an evolutionary biologist describe the social and political relevance of an old 4chan meme. They made a art, and that art is being discussed by intellectuals around the world. When even your memes are being broken down like Mozart pieces, I'd say you're winning at culture. I find it incredibly ironic that these are the same people that tell me hip-hop "isn't music."[/QUOTE] This isnt a coherent post and the last sentence reads as fallacious dismissive cuntiness. You could formulate yourself better as it's not even clear who or what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;52645361]Oh, I'm sure she [B]meant[/B] to say Nazism every time she said fascism. I'm sure it was just an honest slip-up, with no mischievous intentions. But at the end of the day, it's still wrong to equate them.[/QUOTE] You're pretty much right about them being separate. But I don't think it really matters that much. The sad truth is, with public political science, people muddy up and misuse terms all the time. Especially since OG fascists are VERY rare compared to their Nazi brethren. And because of that, I'd actually even argue that contrapoints did the most ideal thing by defining what group of people she was talking about and what their beliefs were. It's the general thing academics do, and while your definition might not match it, you at least know what ground you're working on.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52646253]This isnt a coherent post and the last sentence reads as fallacious dismissive cuntiness. You could formulate yourself better as it's not even clear who or what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] As weird as it to think, each unique alt-right meme that gets made is a piece of culture. People who actually get paid to think, write, and talk on topics of great significance are breaking down frog memes and kek flags. "There is no airtight definition of the western culture or society, it's dogwhistle for "white people" hence white nationalists using it so often. " Even their [i]trivial[/i] culture is being magnified and broadcast on a [url=https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohryCNP6uXSqXAoGA/giphy.gif]global[/url] scale. And not just 'white culture' or 'western culture' but the culture hand-made by them themselves. The people claiming non-whites are going to take away their right to free speech ironically have one of the biggest megaphones in the world right now. The last part was purely anecdotal as it's something I've only experienced in person, and isn't so much relevant to the above point. That said: I have had [B]a lot[/B] of people (who have expressed the above sentiment about fearing non-whites) tell me rap is defacto not music because black people had a heavy hand in it's inception. People have said this to my face knowing I make the exact kind of music they're saying is valueless. The point with this part being that if they cared so much about "western culture" then they would.. idk.. [I]care about western culture existing.[/I] or at the very least be into the idea of form of music that helps promote [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJUx8didhZA]free speech.[/url]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52646283]You're pretty much right about them being separate. But I don't think it really matters that much. The sad truth is, with public political science, people muddy up and misuse terms all the time. [B]Especially since OG fascists are VERY rare compared to their Nazi brethren. [/B] And because of that, I'd actually even argue that contrapoints did the most ideal thing by defining what group of people she was talking about and what their beliefs were. It's the general thing academics do, and while your definition might not match it, you at least know what ground you're working on.[/QUOTE] What I find also interesting about this is the fact that OG nazis are also very rare compared to the wave that came with Hitler, since neo-nazis primarily take their whole doctrine from this latter group and that's the one everyone refers to when talking about nazis. Contrary popular belief Hitler did not found the Nazi Party and in fact was not even around in its earlier years, he popped up later and kind of took control of the party with the same kind of manipulation he'd end up using on the nation as a whole. The original ones weren't the most commendable bunch either but their goals were mostly to keep people away from communism by introducing them to a hardcore brand of right-wing nationalism which carried a strong anti-big business, anti-capitalist sentiment. Hitler actually severely downplayed these aspects in favor of much more extreme doctrines partly because he really fucking hated the jews and also partly because he needed to be friends with large industries in order to produce the war machine he wanted to start invading everyone else around Germany. They were racist from the start though, but the real mean shit only started when Hitler got to power. It kind of undertook a procedure reverse to the one found in modern neo-nazis, wherein they went from "let's get the foreigners the fuck out and build an ethno-state so we all live in our little corners" to "fuck it, let's just slaughter them all, we own our land and the neighbor's land by genetic right", the opposite of what modern nazism tends to do.

[QUOTE=MedicWine;52646593]As weird as it to think, each unique alt-right meme that gets made is a piece of culture. People who actually get paid to think, write, and talk on topics of great significance are breaking down frog memes and kek flags. "There is no airtight definition of the western culture or society, it's dogwhistle for "white people" hence white nationalists using it so often. " Even their [i]trivial[/i] culture is being magnified and broadcast on a [url=https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohryCNP6uXSqXAoGA/giphy.gif]global[/url] scale. And not just 'white culture' or 'western culture' but the culture hand-made by them themselves. The people claiming non-whites are going to take away their right to free speech ironically have one of the biggest megaphones in the world right now. The last part was purely anecdotal as it's something I've only experienced in person, and isn't so much relevant to the above point. That said: I have had [B]a lot[/B] of people (who have expressed the above sentiment about fearing non-whites) tell me rap is defacto not music because black people had a heavy hand in it's inception. People have said this to my face knowing I make the exact kind of music they're saying is valueless. The point with this part being that if they cared so much about "western culture" then they would.. idk.. [I]care about western culture existing.[/I] or at the very least be into the idea of form of music that helps promote [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJUx8didhZA]free speech.[/url][/QUOTE] Thanks for the great response! I get what you're saying now and agree with you.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52647526]Hitler actually severely downplayed these aspects in favor of much more extreme doctrines partly because he really fucking hated the jews and also partly because he needed to be friends with large industries in order to produce the war machine he wanted to start invading everyone else around Germany.[/QUOTE] Philosopher Slavoj Zizek has a few words about this in one of his books: The Sublime Object Of Ideology. The jews actually do double duty in nazism by plugging the failures in the ideology. Nazis can fail as hard as they can in their economic policies, their ways of actually fixing the country, but this does not matter because it is the jew who causes all of this in the first place. The way that nazism can mask its failures (it does not fix the economy and make people happy) is to blame it on the jews. Moral corruption etc doesn't just happen in the society as a fact of life it's pushed on it from the outside. Ideologies engage in a fantasy to hide flaws all the time but it's especially evident with nazism.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;52645817]I don't understand anybody who talks of "preserving culture." Sure, we should preserve it for history - document it, write it down, everything. But 1940s "western culture" is very, [I]very[/I] different from 1970s western culture, and that is different from 2010s western culture. The Beatles were once the musical and cultural icon of the west. They took the sitar from India and plastered it on their music. Dozens of famous American musicians stole or repurposed the music of non-white musicians and re-marketed it to the (wealthier) white audience. There would be no modern "western culture" without the influence of non-westerners or racial minorities. It's funny how we see different groups talk about this, too. We have "cultural appropriation," which implies that culture needs to be preserved from "culture vultures" and so on. But then we have right-wing people using the same talking points - western culture needs to be "preserved" from being "replaced" by other cultures (which are always minorities what a surprise). Everyone who wants to "preserve western culture" needs to stop watching anime immediately. No listening to K-Pop - it's an eastern corruption of western songwriting traditions. "Preserve western culture" is a dogwhistle for "keep the blacks and spics out of my music and movies." [B]There is no such thing as preserving a culture[/B]. You cannot freeze culture in place. Culture is an organically-developing network of millions of people interacting and inspiring each other and influencing each other. There is no way to "preserve" it, and there should be no reason to. Note it down in history, then cannibalize your influences and make more art.[/QUOTE] Sure I see your point, I think I shouldn't have said 'culture' specifically cuz it's too nebulous and constantly evolving/intermingling (and that isn't a bad thing, I agree the idea of 'cultural appropriation' is bullshit). I guess I'm thinking of more basic ideological or philosophical stuff like the valuing of logic and reason that's attributed to the enlightenment, emphasis on individual rights and freedom from tyranny manifested in British common law and later the US constitution, that sort of thing. My impression is that lots of people feel radical leftists are working to undermine basic underpinnings of society in the US and western europe, and it's important not to lump them in with white nationalists or radical right-wingers unless they are in fact actually those as well

But... what if I'm just an advocate for Fascist corporatism? As for the matter of culture, i'd say it's largely dependent; some cultures simply clash, while other syncretize.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52648898]At least communists have an excuse to overtake all of the economy. And using "culture" and "simply" in the same sentence is kind of an oxymoron.[/QUOTE] Perhaps, nothing is ever so black and white, but one would be a fool to say that culture clash and shock is non-existent. I also failed to notice the other part of your response, but corporatism doesn't call for complete and total government control of industry.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52639343]I like the video and what it's trying to do, but the way it's doing it isn't enough. Sure thousands of people will see it and the world is probably an immeasurably barely better place because it exists; but it's 23 minutes long and a vast majority of the people that would probably want to know the info wont see it. Actually undermining the alt right is going to require a lot of long term effort and will pretty much require constantly keeping an eye on them, adapting and acting proactively against their ideas. It's going to mean pushing out anti alt right memes and making talking points that are just as effective and parrotable. I'd love to help but I don't even know where to begin.[/QUOTE] I've noticed no one gave you a useful response. What you asking for is how to create successful counter propaganda. If you want to be successful you might want to start mingling with folks outside your idealogical circles and address their concerns. That would be a good start.

Oh fuck thats a dude

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52648826]Are there even any OG nazis around? OG KKK? It seems to me that Self-Identified Nazis, Fascists and Klansmen of the USA -entities that used to be on life support- nowadays mostly morphed into a single political entity out of desperation, and they rose together this past couple of years, using same tactics and talking points. I believe this is why she uses terms interchangeably and why the infamous rally was to "unite the right" - those are the right that have united. We did see nazi salutes, fasci-painted-shield-bearing self-identified fascists, and klan costumes there, none of whom really having much to do with OG (except the Klan, about which I dont know that much about, but I doubt they have much to do with OG either.). Of what value are the historical meanings of these political terms are when the people that identify with these terms are anything but historical?[/QUOTE] The original Klan disappeared over a century ago. Today's Klan is the fragmented remains of a newer incarnation that originated in the early 20th century. It's a lot more decentralized than the original was, and in most places it seems to be rather stagnant and isolated. Anything beneath the uppermost ranks of the organization is likely too remote to be majorly affected by neo-nazi activity, despite being something they'd usually agree with.

I like how the person in this video largely hints to there being fascists on both sides, but completely ignores it. Instead, they say "well, if antifa beat you up for being white, maybe you should think about how that relates to racism towards blacks, and you need a taste of your own medicine". Then, they imply that using memes is grounds for being a nazi. and "yes, the OK sign IS a fascist symbol!". Yes. /pol/ is attempting to turn centrists against equality. But you forget that devil's advocate and making light of serious subjects is the best tool for keeping clarity in this world. Claiming that either you're with us or with them is not helping anything. You can browse /pol/ and tumblr, use memes from both sides, and even agree and disagree with talking points of each side. There is literally nothing wrong with this. For example, I believe that "Western Culture" is largely a better culture than many others. But I also believe that many other smaller cultures fit into this culture, all the people who live in this country IS an american, after all. Of course, I would be called a fascist for claiming that american culture is superior to most. Despite that all races live in this culture. I'm not being fooled into "Shifting my overton window". I pick and choose my own ideals. Think for yourselves. On the other hand, I have been noticing my right-wing friends turn a little too alt-right for my taste, maybe the message isn't for me. I really, really, want to like the left. But they make themselves unlikable. I was hyped to vote for bernie sanders, a genuinely uncorruptable man. Until they ousted him and replaced him with someone who has decades of questionable conduct and self-serving under her belt. I wanted to be an ally of the left, as I'm a bisexual mixed-race dude, but they fall into the same exact pitfalls the alt-right nazis take. If you look like a white male, you are the problem apperantly. The left needs to look at what they're doing at say "huh, why are our people turning centrist". Because they are completely clueless. At least the nazis know why they're not liked. You can not build a campaign on the idea of "We do a lot of bad stuff, but we're still better than the other guys!"

It's a bit late but it's not the biggest fuck-up to use the phrase 'nazi' and 'fascist' interchangeably because almost all fascist regimes had and have some kind of racial element to them that would invariably lead to genocide. Sure, Mussolini wasn't the one [I]doing[/I] all the legwork for the holocaust, but he was aiding and abetting the Nazis at every possible moment to ensure that it was to happen.

[QUOTE=Carlito;52669940]It's a bit late but it's not the biggest fuck-up to use the phrase 'nazi' and 'fascist' interchangeably because almost all fascist regimes had and have some kind of racial element to them that would invariably lead to genocide. Sure, Mussolini wasn't the one [I]doing[/I] all the legwork for the holocaust, but he was aiding and abetting the Nazis at every possible moment to ensure that it was to happen.[/QUOTE] But in Mussolin's case it was because Hitler pressured him into accepting the racial laws, Italians during the war were not inherently for genocide, it was a byproduc of being in the axis. The difference is there seeing as Fascism is a broad term to describe socialist, nationalist, imperialist and and Totalirianism(you can look at the difference between Italian fascism and Japanese fascism). Nazism on the other hand is a branch of fascism that put the emphasis on race. Sure it may not be the biggest problem to use them interchangeably but it's being a bit imprecise when talking about fringe ideologies which are usually more fanatic.

[QUOTE=Carlito;52669940]It's a bit late but it's not the biggest fuck-up to use the phrase 'nazi' and 'fascist' interchangeably because almost all fascist regimes had and have some kind of racial element to them that would invariably lead to genocide. Sure, Mussolini wasn't the one [I]doing[/I] all the legwork for the holocaust, but he was aiding and abetting the Nazis at every possible moment to ensure that it was to happen.[/QUOTE] Not really, you are only thinking of the most famous examples of Fascism. If you get down to just the base ideology by Giovanni Gentile, and other real-world examples, there is no inherent racial component that leads to genocide at all. People can mention Mussolini and even see for decades he was of staunch belief of Italian identity>Race. [quote=Mussolini]Race? It is a feeling, not a reality. Ninety-five per cent, at least. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today.… National pride has no need of the delirium of race.[/quote] Only his later allying with Germany did that functionally change during wartime, and even then it is unlikely he fundamentally changed his view on race outside of that context. But then you also have the Falangists in Spain that didn't advocate for Genocide. You also have the Integralists of South American countries that didn't focus on race really at all either. Oh and even Chang Kai-Shek dabbled with fascism with his Blue Shirt Society. Now will you find cases of racism happening in those countries? For sure, even the most social justice of governments still have racism happening in them, but this idea of inherent racial ideology and genocide is not accurate at all. Would be more accurate to say that just like Communism, there is a human nature for ideologies that require homogenous opinions to be full realized make people be extremist against groups who oppose them, and sometimes that category is racially, but it can often be class, nationality, or any other factor that prevents their utopia. This isn't me supporting Fascism at all, but atleast get your absolutes right.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52669981]Not really, you are only thinking of the most famous examples of Fascism. If you get down to just the base ideology by Giovanni Gentile, and other real-world examples, there is no inherent racial component that leads to genocide at all. People can mention Mussolini and even see for decades he was of staunch belief of Italian identity>Race. Only his later allying with Germany did that functionally change during wartime, and even then it is unlikely he fundamentally changed his view on race outside of that context. But then you also have the Falangists in Spain that didn't advocate for Genocide. You also have the Integralists of South American countries that didn't focus on race really at all either. Now will you find cases of racism? For sure, but this idea of inherent racial genocide is not accurate at all. This isn't me supporting Fascism at all, but atleast get your absolutes right.[/QUOTE] Thank you, when talking about ideologies during the '900 people only deal in absolutes, and they never analyze the facts, stopping only at some surface level. I would like to remind that Mussolini was a syndicalist before starting to feel disillusioned with the movement. I would also like to point out that i am not advocating fascism, but it would be dishonest not to get things right.

[QUOTE=Joseph Smith;52669986]I would like to remind that Mussolini was a syndicalist [/QUOTE] A shit ton of fascists (and I would argue alot in the early years before 1930) were disgruntled marxists and socialists that felt the communist view was unrealistic/never going to happen. From Giovanni Gentile, Mussolini, even to a degree Hitler are excellent examples of that. Pretty much most fascists still identified as the superior socialists (Enjoy reading Hitler quotes on that), and thus fascist regimes can often be more left-leaning or right-leaning depending on which policies they emphasized. Hence why fascism is more a third position ideology than simply right or left-wing.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52669850] Being fascist is more than being violent, it's a far right ideology so that excludes anti fa whose beliefs are incompatible with a far right white nationalist movement. Far right violence in general greatly eclipses both far left and radical islamic violence in the United states. Don't equate them, the white nationalist movement has no shame or credibility so these statements only enable them.[/quote] Not only right-wingers can act in violence. Or have fascist intents. I did a quick research and right-wing political attacks do seem to be the majority, so I'll give you that one. But in general, these days it is only the left who dox and fire people over their beliefs, their wrongthink. They look at centrists like sargon of akkad, call them a nazi for not picking a side, and treat them as such. I'd call that pretty fascist. [QUOTE=Vodkavia;52669850] This is a lie, the video goes on about how why you [I]can't[/I] assume everyone is a nazi, the symbols alt righters use on the internet are intentionally made to seem as mundane as possible to avoid detection while still giving people "in the know" a way to spot them. [/quote] I didn't see this at all, it really seemed like they were implying that anything could be a hate symbol and therefore they are. [QUOTE=Vodkavia;52669850] Have any any evidence for this feelgoodsotrue platitude? I would be impressed if you could somehow, by pretending like they have anything but completely malicious intentions, extract anything of value out of a bunch of notoriously racist and irrational, angry basement dwelling idiots.[/quote] When you read the news, do you only read it from one source? Because it really helps to get a better picture from all angles. I don't agree with nearly anything they say, but more often than enough, the media giants hide details. Like the democratic primaries being entirely rigged. Or how CNN really, really wanted us to overthrow Assad without thinking about who would replace him in syria afterwards (hint: ISIS would) [QUOTE=Vodkavia;52669850] pol is a subforum, tumblr is an entire platform, that's a completely slanted comparison and frankly if you read shit on pol and nod as you do so... while it's not concrete, someone would have valid reasons to question your judgement for the reasons above. [/quote]A generalization; /pol/ is staunchly far-right, tumblr politically is generally staunchly far-left. [QUOTE=Vodkavia;52669850] This is you parroting (I would say racist but honestly it transcends even racism) alt right sentiments that[B] you most certainly did not come up with yourself based upon your ownadmission of viewing /pol/[/B] while in same post complaining that your friends are getting too alt lighty and [B]telling us to think for ourselves.[/B] I'm going to need 20 bucks to pay for my broken irony meter.[/quote] Is it racist to say that the developed world are the champions of democracy, equality, and religious tolerance? When our culture is historically multi-racial? I would call such a culture a pretty damn good culture. Maybe the best. [QUOTE=Vodkavia;52669850] Ousted? Replaced? As much as I wanted him to be president, Bernie didn't win and he wasn't nominated before Clinton pushed him off a cliff.This isn't the Lion King. [/quote] Except she kinda-sorta did? [url]http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-rigged-hillary-clinton-dnc-lawsuit-donald-trump-president-609582[/url] [url]http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/enjoying-president-trump-then-blame-democrats-for_us_5899769ce4b0985224db5997[/url] [QUOTE=Vodkavia;52669850] Clinton told her followers to ram people with cars and hide weapons around a small virginia town so that they could massacre their opposition once bullets starred flying so that they could kick gay people, muslims and brown people out of the country?[/quote]Like that time trump did, is what you're implying? I'm pretty sure trump blamed both sides, but whatever. He acts in his own interests, I seriously doubt he supports actual racists. [QUOTE=Vodkavia;52669850] How else are you supposed to vote? If trying to be superior to your opposition and voting for the candidate who seems to have the best pros/cons? is bad what's the alternative? Put pressure on your representatives, vote and join the discussion when you have clarity of mind but remember; This is the real world, if you're holding out for the day everyone is a clone of bernie sanders you're going to be taken for a ride. Also hate to burst your bubble but; the United states as a whole leans left, the democratic party is so hardcore centrist it can hardly be called leftist by most of the world, Clinton won the popular vote and Trump "won" because he cheated with help from the russians and because of the electoral college. The man has record low approval ratings, The fantasy that the white working class male stamped his boot down and said "no more identity politics!!111 so instead I'm going to vote for the biggest identitarian on the planet!" is a fabrication cooked up by people who needed to grasp upon any straw to make his sham election look legitimate.[/QUOTE] Trump isn't a good person, I'll agree. But the idea a lot of americans had was that a defeat would help the democrats realize they need to get their shit together. Unfortunately it didn't.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52670137]Those are examples of inconsistent world views or people doing 180 on political spectrum, the way fascist ideas evolved, the baggage and deep intertwining with white nationalist/supremacists from their roots in the 20th century to today make it wholly incompatible with even the deepest in the spectrum of the left.[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/dailyuw.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/f3/5f36135e-bdcb-11e6-b40e-7306885035cd/584a38df3426e.image.jpg[/IMG] Might not be verbatim per-definition fascism. But it sure seems like the same message.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52669981]Post defending fascism.[/QUOTE] If you can't understand that the virulent and insidious brand of nationalism that is central to fascist ideology won't eventually lead to racism and genocide, then I'm not sure how to explain it to you. Also Mussolini obviously didn't feel too strongly about race being unimportant and genocide being bad on account of the fact that he aided and abetted a regime that was actively committing genocide. Simply the fact that he let it happened and helped it occur speaks volumes about his priorities.

[QUOTE]. How else are you supposed to vote? [/QUOTE] You're not going change get any thing by voting. What needs be addressed is the left right divide. Fix that and things will get better. The only way to do this is create new narratives that transcend left vs right.

This is an insightful video that says a lot of things that are obvious but rarely clearly enunciated. Politics is strange these days, it's like: "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. But ironically, it's a meme that the normies wouldn't get."

That was a pretty informative video in terms of the point of view the anti-facists have, but I'm not sure if I am totally convinced. Im pretty sure that there are plenty of people who really are "just" anti-imigration or "just" identitarian or whatever and not just nazis in disguise and treating them like they are just makes them side with the nazis. White supremancists arent vampires or aliens from they live, they are humans and they dont have to (and most often probably cant) mascarede all that well. Some of them can be smart and manipulative, but from my experience most of them are just kinda dumb and naive. They hold a variety of different beliefs on stuff like economy and race not because they want to mascarade their true perfectly cut aryan intentions, but because they genuienly arent a hivemind. I think the viewpoint this girl has is interesting a certainly makes a lot of anti-facist stuff that Ive heard or seen make more sense, but just like she would probably dismiss me as being too naive, I think she is too paranoid and she might be hurting her case.

[QUOTE=WhyNott;52670633]That was a pretty informative video in terms of the point of view the anti-facists have, but I'm not sure if I am totally convinced. Im pretty sure that there are plenty of people who really are "just" anti-imigration or "just" identitarian or whatever and not just nazis in disguise and treating them like they are just makes them side with the nazis.[/QUOTE] Look up "identitarian" on Wikipedia and the very first line tells you they are a white nationalist movement.

I'd say it's completely alright to equate fascism with Bazism, when you're talking about modern practicioners. The older styles of fascism, the ones that weren't about killing Der Jüden and securing a white ethnostate, have almost entirely died out. All we have now are cryptofascists who just like the "you get to control everything" aspect and racists who like the "woooo let's gas the undesirables" aspect that Nazism brought to the table, and the former have shown themselves to be completely alright working with the latter.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;52670559]This is an insightful video that says a lot of things that are obvious but rarely clearly enunciated. Politics is strange these days, it's like: "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. But ironically, it's a meme that the normies wouldn't get."[/QUOTE] >Implying Eastasia aren't doubleplus ungood cucks.

Good job for the people who are going to call other people nazis or side them with nazis by saying they are "defending fascism" when they actually aren't. You know the alt-right cannot be happier about people like you right? You are their main recruiters. Who do you think Joe Shmoe is going to turn to after you call him a racist fascist nazi enough times? Hint: it's not going to be you.