[QUOTE=Sgt.vodka95;49676896]The people vote for the candidates with unusual chracteristics(for example; to Obama was vote by people because he is black; and now Hillary will be presidente because he will be the 1st woman president in the USA)[/QUOTE]
pull the trigger piglet
[QUOTE=Sgt.vodka95;49676896]The people vote for the candidates with unusual chracteristics[/QUOTE]
Then why didn't Vermin Supreme win yet
[QUOTE=Murkrow;49678023]Then why didn't Vermin Supreme win yet[/QUOTE]
he won my heart
[QUOTE=person11;49676145]I've defended her use of the woman card many times, but her assertion that she is not part of the Democrat establishment because she is a woman is completely ridiculous.
[editline]4th February 2016[/editline]
1. The e-mail thing is not that big a deal. Powell and Rice are also being investigated and yet that does not seem to be a big deal to people. Hm.
2. Don't call her a bitch. The more people use gender based slurs on her the more people will accept her sometimes inappropriate use of the woman card. Let's not fulfill the Bernie Bot/Bro stereotype here, leave that to 4chan or reddit.
She's not as good a candidate as Bernie, and she is as corrupt as any other Republican, Democrat or (let's face it) Libertarian, but let's not go crazy with hatred for her. There are a dozen Republicans a thousand times worse than her that need some hate too.[/QUOTE]
Yes thank you! I've been thinking for a while the Bernie is clearly better but Hillary doesn't deserve the exceptional level of hate (in comparison to other, equally corrupt politicians) she seems to get in certain liberal online communities like this one. Especially when people call her a bitch and other ill-informed terms.
[QUOTE=shozamar;49678096]Yes thank you! I've been thinking for a while the Bernie is clearly better but Hillary doesn't deserve the exceptional level of hate (in comparison to other, equally corrupt politicians) she seems to get in certain liberal online communities like this one. Especially when people call her a bitch and other ill-informed terms.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I feel a huge amount of sympathy for her, even though I'm voting for Bernie. The least fans of Bernie can do is act civilized. If we can't treat her better than Republicans do, what's the point?
[editline]5th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=srobins;49676306]So then condemn and investigate them too. I started seeing this posted on Facebook the other day and all I could think is how disappointed I am in Democrats for pulling this protectionist [B]bullshit[/B] once again. Whenever a Democrat does anything wrong, the Democrats wait and wait until a Republican slips up and then.. OH! Well, well! Looks like we're off the hook! You can't possibly criticize Hillary Clinton for mishandling confidential and top-secret emails on a private server, no no! Why? Because not-Democrats did it too, and that makes it okay! Case closed everybody![/QUOTE]
Tell me when Republicans in the house spend 11 hours interrogating one of their own OR until Powell and Rice get some media scrutiny too. Until then, I'll keep insisting that Hillary is being disproportionately targeted by Republicans because of her Presidential run.
this is literally a case of old people being shitty at e-mail, Bernie would have done the same thing if he were secretary of state in some alternate universe
[QUOTE=Judas;49678071]he won my heart[/QUOTE]
That sounds gay :pride:
[QUOTE=person11;49676027]He is smart to make sure [B]he does not wreck her chances of winning against the Republican[/B] (it's why he is running as a Democrat).[/QUOTE]
Thats perhaps his biggest weakness. A decision that I think is foolish.
[QUOTE=Sgt.vodka95;49676896]The people vote for the candidates with unusual chracteristics(for example; to Obama was vote by people because he is black; and now Hillary will be president because he will be the 1st woman president in the USA)[/QUOTE]
what was bush
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49678780]Thats perhaps his biggest weakness. A decision that I think is foolish.[/QUOTE]
Let's be real Sanders would never win as a third party with America's current voting system (and mentality). Even if the republican candidate gets like 40%, Sanders would need two thirds of the non-republican votes, that's just unrealistic.
Though I guess this could maybe highlight how shit the system is and maybe lead to a reform of the election process...
[QUOTE=Kljunas;49679116]Let's be real Sanders would never win as a third party with America's current voting system (and mentality). Even if the republican candidate gets like 40%, Sanders would need two thirds of the non-republican votes, that's just unrealistic.
Though I guess this could maybe highlight how shit the system is and maybe lead to a reform of the election process...[/QUOTE]
bernie is the only one whom would reform it though
[QUOTE=Kljunas;49679116]
Though I guess this could maybe highlight how shit the system is and maybe lead to a reform of the election process...[/QUOTE]
Hilary is backed by corporations. She will not reform this.
[QUOTE=Sgt.vodka95;49678774]That sounds gay :pride:[/QUOTE]
What are you even doing?
[QUOTE=person11;49678174]Yeah, I feel a huge amount of sympathy for her, even though I'm voting for Bernie. The least fans of Bernie can do is act civilized. If we can't treat her better than Republicans do, what's the point?
[editline]5th February 2016[/editline]
Tell me when Republicans in the house spend 11 hours interrogating one of their own OR until Powell and Rice get some media scrutiny too. Until then, I'll keep insisting that Hillary is being disproportionately targeted by Republicans because of her Presidential run.
this is literally a case of old people being shitty at e-mail, Bernie would have done the same thing if he were secretary of state in some alternate universe[/QUOTE]
The issue is when people say they detest Hilary so much they'd rather vote Cruz. Have they fucking looked at Cruz's stance on shit? Gays are the worst, no abortions, global warming isn't real, green emissions targets kill our economy, fuck immigrants, etc. He's [I]hardliner[/I] republican conservative and one of the furthest right to run in a long time. And he's doing well D:
I agree that people need to bring it down against Hilary. I don't like her, she seems to not be as genuine and always seems on edge. And she uses fallacious techniques or irrelevant techniques in speeches like this. It just irritates me. But, she's better by [I]miles upon miles[/I] than Cruz
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49679272]Hilary is backed by corporations. She will not reform this.[/QUOTE]
I mean the public outcry and general awareness of the issue might kick start a reform movement.
But other than that I don't see what good would come out of Sanders running as a third party.
If sanders ran as a 3rd party, the republicans would win automatically.
Imagine if you had two sides and you split on of the sides in two, what side will be biggest?
[QUOTE=gastyne;49679500]If sanders ran as a 3rd party, the republicans would win automatically.
Imagine if you had two sides and you split on of the sides in two, what side will be biggest?[/QUOTE]
He's not going to run as a 3rd party, he's stated this already
[QUOTE=paindoc;49679537]He's not going to run as a 3rd party, he's stated this already[/QUOTE]
he said "if"
If you legitmately think that sending top secret documents over an unsecured private email address is "not that big of a deal", please actually read up. It's a huge deal. Powell and Rice did use private e-mails occasionally, but not exclusively like Hillary did. In fact, it was a fairly common practice to use a private one if for some reason you couldn't use your official governnent one.
After Hillary was no longer Secretary of State, they made using a Private E-Mail server illegal for government buisness. This is because nothing you send will actually documented per FOIA, all outgoing (and incoming iirc) e-mails on a government server are automatically backed up for FOIA purposes. By Hillary NEVER using a Government e-mail, there are no FOIA records on her side of things.
Not to mention she then went and decided that ~half of the emails weren't worth keeping and deleted them before handing the rest over to the investiagation team. She decided, on her own [I]while under investigation[/I], which emails to keep. That is fishy as fuck. Not to mention that 22 or so have been discovered as Top Secret.
So yes, Hillary deserves all the fucking hate and scruitny for that that she gets.
[QUOTE=bdd458;49679572]
So yes, Hillary deserves all the fucking hate and scruitny for that that she gets.[/QUOTE]
Benghazi, mail scandals, flipflopping when she conveniently gets a private backer, flipflopping when a social issue gets popular.
She shouldn't even be doing well.
[QUOTE=Sgt.vodka95;49676896]The people vote for the candidates with unusual chracteristics(for example; to Obama was vote by people because he is black; and now Hillary will be president because he will be the 1st woman president in the USA)[/QUOTE]
Wow, I never thought of it that way. Although I've been a huge Sanders supporter since his campaign started, I will now support Hilliary due to that insightful thought of yours.
[sp]what the hell are you doing?[/sp]
[QUOTE=paindoc;49679537]He's not going to run as a 3rd party, he's stated this already[/QUOTE]
I know and that was a good decision.
[QUOTE=Sgt.vodka95;49676657]If there is a black president in USA,I think now there should a woman in White House...in my opinion[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sgt.vodka95;49676896]The people vote for the candidates with unusual chracteristics(for example; to Obama was vote by people because he is black; and now Hillary will be president because he will be the 1st woman president in the USA)[/QUOTE]
Err...I...um...What?
Get out of my thread.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49679592]Benghazi, mail scandals, flipflopping when she conveniently gets a private backer, flipflopping when a social issue gets popular.
She shouldn't even be doing well.[/QUOTE]
Benghazi is literally just a Republican talking point. I think the e-mails are too. The whole "being funded by corporations" thing is more than enough to show that Bernie is a better candidate on its own. Same for the flipflopping.
[editline]5th February 2016[/editline]
Bernie supporters should be attacking Hillary for her connections to wealthy donors and her past as a "Moderate" who supported DOMA, not regurgitating Republican talking points, possibly making her a weaker general election candidate.
[QUOTE=paindoc;49679329]But, she's better by [I]miles upon miles[/I] than Cruz[/QUOTE]
In Bernie's own words: "on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."
[QUOTE=person11;49680267]Benghazi is literally just a Republican talking point. I think the e-mails are too. The whole "being funded by corporations" thing is more than enough to show that Bernie is a better candidate on its own. Same for the flipflopping.
[editline]5th February 2016[/editline]
Bernie supporters should be attacking Hillary for her connections to wealthy donors and her past as a "Moderate" who supported DOMA, not regurgitating Republican talking points, possibly making her a weaker general election candidate.[/QUOTE]
This makes no sense. Wouldn't painting her as a shill wesken her?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49680489]This makes no sense. Wouldn't painting her as a shill wesken her?[/QUOTE]
tbh this whole Benghazi + Emails thing lost credibility considering how the republicans milked the fuck out of it plus that one guy who I forgot his name just blatantly said "yeah this select committee was designed to fuck over clinton's ratings"
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49675921]Oh boy, shots fired. Hillary is trying hard to talk her way around the fact that she is in the pocket of big business.[/QUOTE]
Her opening statement was hilarious to me for some reason "Oh yeah, we all know this shit is rigged but what about the gays?"
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49680489]This makes no sense. Wouldn't painting her as a shill wesken her?[/QUOTE]
Lot's of nuance in Bernie's strategy.
He has to contrast himself not only as someone to the left of her (partially nullified since she decided she was a progressive), he also has to show himself of a candidate of the people.
However, if he presses too hard on Hillary being a shill, he risks his supporters abandoning Democrats either to stay home on Election day or to vote for Trump.
He also can't use Republican talking points against her because that would 1. delegitimitize his campaign to a part of his Democrat base (the ones who would vote for Clinton in november) and possibly weaken her candidacy in November for swing voters.
Essentially he has to show himself in a positive light ("I don't have a SuperPac, I get an average of $27 donations") rather than cast Hillary in a negative one (Shillary) to at once promote his own candidacy to win without hurting hers if he fails to win.
He's running for the good of this country, not to selfishly throw away the presidency to a Republican, who would ruin it.
[QUOTE=Hanso;49676986]And it is very dumb to elect your country's leader based on these things.[/QUOTE]
When the last time you seen a midget (excuse me vertically challenged person) get into a position of power?
[url]https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/oct/18/voters-tall-politicians-leadership[/url]
The point is, people are choosing leaders on bs standards. We are just not aware of it.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;49680809]Her opening statement was hilarious to me for some reason "Oh yeah, we all know this shit is rigged but what about the gays?"[/QUOTE]
I was more confused to the use of the word "progressive"
"I'm a progressive, I get things done because PROGRESS."
Yeah I'm a conservative because I understand the importance of conserving water.
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