Redditor steals a dog, boasts about it online, local news interviews the family of the stolen dog. - General

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43164426]Houses aren't natural formations found in the wild. Your dog will be fine if it has shelter from rain and a warm place to sleep.[/QUOTE] Are you the type of person who feed your pet a no starch/all meat cuz "that is what wolves eat"?

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43164534]He claims he called the police and animal control. There is no evidence that says he did. A t-shirt and shorts don't compare to a coat of fur. Dogs don't have the same anatomy as humans.[/QUOTE] oh my god you are stupid ok so wheres the evidence that the family wasn't neglecting the dog??? quit trying to use that like its an argument 2) ok so i guess since dogs are different from humans then they can last 5+ hours out in the cold with a thin fur of coat and not practically freeze to death

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43164534]He claims he called the police and animal control. There is no evidence that says he did. A t-shirt and shorts don't compare to a coat of fur. Dogs don't have the same anatomy as humans.[/QUOTE] Non winter fur is practically the same as a tshirt and jeans, have you ever owned a dog by chance?

[QUOTE=Crimor;43164556]Non winter fur is practically the same as a tshirt and jeans, have you ever owned a dog by chance?[/QUOTE] He claimed it has, probably died in 2 months due to extreme neglect.

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43164534]He claims he called the police and animal control. There is no evidence that says he did. A t-shirt and shorts don't compare to a coat of fur. Dogs don't have the same anatomy as humans.[/QUOTE] A 10 month old dog, which barely has a fur coat and is smaller than most people. Yup sure sounds like they can stand outside in a snow storm for 8 hours!

[QUOTE=Mastermind of42;43164542]Are you the type of person who feed your pet a no starch/all meat cuz "that is what wolves eat"?[/QUOTE] What? No. Dogs aren't wolves. I'm not a naturalist or something. I already said early in the thread that my dog sleeps inside. I'm just pointing out the fact that not all dogs like to be inside. It's not unreasonable to think that.

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43164498]It's not "freezing fucking cold" the dog is in Texas. It's 30-40 degrees in the middle of the night.[/QUOTE] You heard it here first, just because it's Texas means it's impossible to become ill due to long term exposure to cold weather.

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43164567]What? No. Dogs aren't wolves. I'm not a naturalist or something. I already said early in the thread that my dog sleeps inside. I'm just pointing out the fact that not all dogs like to be inside. It's not unreasonable to think that.[/QUOTE] It is unreasonable to think that just because they're different from humans that they can last 5+ hours in 20 degree weather with a thin fur coat.

My point is: dogs don't belong in the wild anymore. Most will die and no matter how similar to their wild cousins, they are suited to live with the comforts humans provide. Not all of them will die and those who survived are not better off.

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43164567]What? No. Dogs aren't wolves. I'm not a naturalist or something. I already said early in the thread that my dog sleeps inside. I'm just pointing out the fact that not all dogs like to be inside. It's not unreasonable to think that.[/QUOTE] Just saying, take the best wintery clothes you have, then sit immobile in a fucking sub zero wind tunnel for like six hours and see how you feel after that.

Holy shit never mind this thread. Obviously I'm a terrible person because I think stealing pets is bad. I'll just continue lurking for a while.

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43164534]He claims he called the police and animal control. There is no evidence that says he did. A t-shirt and shorts don't compare to a coat of fur. Dogs don't have the same anatomy as humans.[/QUOTE] A 10 month old pup is obviously not going have have fully developed fur. And regardless of breed, if you were to put any dog ON ITS OWN at that age in those conditions (+malnourishment, +shit tier shelter, +freezing temperatures), its not much of a stretch to imagine that it'll probably [i]die[/i] after a while. -Someone whose lived with and raised dogs pretty much their entire life. [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Crimor;43164532]Not saying what he did was the right way to do it, but those people should not have a live animal because they obviously know nothing about caring for animals. Especially the "it's a swiss dog so it can survive in the coldhuehuehue" No it fucking can't, it was like 80 degrees the weeks before this ice storm apparently, giving it no chance to switch to thicker winter fur.[/QUOTE] Loads of people seem to be missing this detail.

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43164610]Holy shit never mind this thread. Obviously I'm a terrible person because I think stealing pets is bad. I'll just continue lurking for a while.[/QUOTE] you seem to be missing the fucking point that it was neglected i would have done the same thing if the police and shelter services were unavailable if anything you're a douchebag for thinking it could live out there easily like the owners

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43164610]Holy shit never mind this thread. Obviously I'm a terrible person because I think stealing pets is bad. I'll just continue lurking for a while.[/QUOTE] That wasn't even your argument. You were saying that a dog is okay in a fucking snow storm because it's a dog.

I must say. I expected it to go a lot worse because of the title.

This is great because some dipshit is making like animals can't freeze to death. At 10, I had to scrape my dead cat up that had frozen to the driveway. But it wasn't a long haired cat, so fuck. The fur is a light insulation and wind break... it ain't fucking magic. Help your pet live or you don't deserve it. -edit This was in texas, btw, where the winters seem mild.... mild enough to kill small animals.

Guy sounds like a straight up asshole, why doesn't he break the door to the dog's home and let the thing in or something, since he obviously didn't have much trouble getting through that locked fence I'd get it if the thing was out on the yard but come on, it had a shelter. a locked shelter.

I don't claim to be an expert on dogs and the different breeds of the dog. I don't claim to be an expert on weather or weather patterns. I'm most definitely not a detective or authority on the case. What I do know is: 1. Someone stole a dog. 2. The owners have been trying to get their dog back. [url]http://m.imgur.com/a/zpAsF#[/url] 3. The thief has yet to reveal their identity. 4. The thief claims to have contacted the authorities and the owners themselves about a neglected dog. 5. The owners showed the news station the conditions in which the dog lives in. 6. The owners may be terrible owners for leaving their dog outside during a storm. 7. The thief believes the dog has been neglected by its owners. Stealing is illegal no matter the light you put it under. I can't steal your stuff because I think you neglect it. I don't have that authority over you. My personal belief is that specific dog breed could most certainly withstand at least 20 degrees without causing any harm or pain to the dog. That dog may not be adapted towards the cold weather since it lives in such a hot climate. I may be horrible for thinking that a cold-tolerant breed could survive under such conditions, but that doesn't mean I would treat my pet the same way. I keep mine inside regardless of the hot or cold. I take my dog for walks and let him go outside if he wants, but I don't force him to sleep in a place he doesn't want. I don't know the owners, but I'd hope they have the same logic. We don't know if the dog chose to sleep outside and if they just provided the bed or not because we aren't those people.

Stop please.

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43165000]I don't claim to be an expert on dogs and the different breeds of the dog. I don't claim to be an expert on weather or weather patterns. I'm most definitely not a detective or authority on the case. What I do know is: 1. Someone stole a dog. 2. The owners have been trying to get their dog back. [url]http://m.imgur.com/a/zpAsF#[/url] 3. The thief has yet to reveal their identity. 4. The thief claims to have contacted the authorities and the owners themselves about a neglected dog. 5. The owners showed the news station the conditions in which the dog lives in. 6. The owners may be terrible owners for leaving their dog outside during a storm. 7. The thief believes the dog has been neglected by its owners. Stealing is illegal no matter the light you put it under. I can't steal your stuff because I think you neglect it. I don't have that authority over you. My personal belief is that specific dog breed could most certainly withstand at least 20 degrees without causing any harm or pain to the dog. That dog may not be adapted towards the cold weather since it lives in such a hot climate. I may be horrible for thinking that a cold-tolerant breed could survive under such conditions, but that doesn't mean I would treat my pet the same way. I keep mine inside regardless of the hot or cold. I take my dog for walks and let him go outside if he wants, but I don't force him to sleep in a place he doesn't want. I don't know the owners, but I'd hope they have the same logic. We don't know if the dog chose to sleep outside and if they just provided the bed or not because we aren't those people.[/QUOTE] Yes the dog chose to sleep in a snow storm instead of a warm house.

The problem with your argument is that a dog isn't material possession. It isn't 'stuff' one has possession over (although the law is built in such a way as to protect owners' pets as if they were possessions). It is a creature for Christ's sake. If the guy saw it was sitting out in the cold for hours on end then he had not just the right but the moral obligation to help it. It might be a breed from a cold area but mammals have an extraordinary ability to adapt to their climates. The dog would be used to the heat of Texas and would not be used to such cold temperatures especially at a young age.

[QUOTE=DeandreT;43165000]My personal belief is that specific dog breed could most certainly withstand at least 20 degrees without causing any harm or pain to the dog. That dog may not be adapted towards the cold weather since it lives in such a hot climate. I may be horrible for thinking that a cold-tolerant breed could survive under such conditions, but that doesn't mean I would treat my pet the same way. [/QUOTE] If your personal belief is that a dog can be left in temperatures below 20 degrees fahrenheit for approximately five hours straight solely on the basis that it's a Swiss breed, then you're extremely ill-informed.

I guess we'll find out what happens tonight. [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/FortWorth/comments/1skcel/2000_reward_for_lost_greater_swiss_mountain_dog/cdyp17e[/url]

[QUOTE=agentalexandre;43165060]The problem with your argument is that a dog isn't material possession. It isn't 'stuff' one has possession over (although the law is built in such a way as to protect owners' pets as if they were possessions). It is a creature for Christ's sake. If the guy saw it was sitting out in the cold for hours on end then he had not just the right but the moral obligation to help it. It might be a breed from a cold area but mammals have an extraordinary ability to adapt to their climates. The dog would be used to the heat of Texas and would not be used to such cold temperatures especially at a young age.[/QUOTE] Legally he didn't go through the correct channels to prevent animal abuse, isn't it still a crime? i'm not up to date on "can you trespass and steal a dog if you think it's being mistreated" laws

Animal abuse is animal abuse and you're an damned fool for thinking that the person should have taken no action because the dog doesn't belong to him. No shit hes not revealing his identity, he stole a dog. That's a crime, yeah. But in doing so he prevented any further harm to the dog, which should morally negate the law he broke in any sane, empathetic, or caring person's mind.

Humans are animals, Animals can survive in nature. you dont need a house or your clothes, THROW IT ALL AWAY and run into the woods, see how long you'll survive, Ill give you a minute.

Thanks to my extensive memory of pop culture references, I know [B]exactly[/B] how to solve this. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz8vhlHF1yQ[/media]

Here's the original post (that has since been removed): [QUOTE]Hi there Asshole, You don't really know me and I don't really know you but I have seen you a few times over the last few years. Mostly when you'd let your old dog shit in my lawn and also when your new one would do the same. Thanks for leaving it all for me to pick up too. I really appreciated it. But even though I don't really know you, I do know of you and watching you put on such a show to find your dog absolutely disgusts me. Pretending that she was stolen only because she was outside for three hours. For starters, why the fuck did you leave your dog outside in 16 degree weather for three hours! I'll let you know what happened though. I was walking to McDonalds on Friday afternoon and cut through your car port to avoid the ice and that's when I your dog sitting alone in her dog run looking really miserable. It might have been because it was 20 degrees out or maybe it was because she had no food, water or blanket. Who knows. Anyway I saw your cars in the driveway and figured she would be okay because no one would leave a sweet dog outside in the cold for very long so I kept on walking. Several hours later I was walking to CVS and noticed that she was still there. I petted her some and couldn't believe how incredibly cold to the touch she was. As if she'd been outside for hours. I knocked on the door to see if anyone was home but no one answered. I called animal control and the humane society but no one was available because of the weather. I left for CVS and came back 30 minutes later and she was still there. Not wanting such a sweet dog to freeze to death I headed home, grabbed some tools and headed back. It’s now been close to 7 hours since I first saw her, temps are in the teens and that poor dog is ice cold. I cut off the lock, took her home and that’s when the real fun started. She immediately made a bee line for the litter box and started chowing down on crap. I pulled her away and gave her some real dog food which she inhaled. Oh, and she pissed herself while eating too. And did I mention she’s very thin and malnourished. Because she is and she ate three bowls of food. Seriously, I've picked up strays that weren't as thin or hungry as her. So good job on that one buddy. Now, what else should I add. How about the fact that she had no collar or tag and that she hasn't been fixed yet. Seriously? That's the first thing you get anytime you get a dog. So yea, bravo on that. Maybe I should add that she doesn’t even recognize her own name, doesn’t know how to play with toys, is covered in a film of filth and has a crap ton of fleas. How the hell do you get fleas in winter! So yea, I’m confused as to why you’re offering so much for a dog that you seemed to care so little for. Btw, what happened to your other dog? Not that it really matters anyway because Heidi is so much happier now. She whines at the door when her new daddy leaves, has a huge back yard to play in and two other dogs her size to play around with. Oh, and she has a doggie door so she can go in and out whenever she wants. Now please do us all a favor and stop littering the neighborhood with your crap. Sincerely, A real dog lover TL:DR You neglected the shit out of your dog. She's now with a family that will love her and give her the attention she deserves. You're a piece of shit for trying to look like a victim in all this. Edit: Proof of happy Heidi [url]http://imgur.com/DCZVgQn[/url][1] EDIT 2: Holy shit. Go to bed for the night and everything suddenly explodes. Also thanks for the gold and r/bestof! I'm going through all the responses I can and trying to get messages out. I'll add some additional info that I put on a few other comments for ease of viewing. Heidi's "dog run" was a 10 x 4 foot hallway with a large gate on both ends. The thing was a freaking wind tunnel and was even colder. She had no room to run around and get warmed up either. There was also no way for her to go in and out of the house from the "dog run." For a protective breed, she was awfully happy to see me when I petted her and didn't bark, growl or show any signs of aggression. For those who weren't in Texas at the time, we had just gone through a major ice storm with about 4" of ice on the ground making roads all but impassible. The cops were busy with accidents and all the rescue organizations were closed down. I gave them all a call and tried to contact the owner before doing anything as well. It was cold as balls out and I wasn't thinking much about taking pictures of the conditions she was stuck in. For those people saying "she's a Greater Swiss dog and they love the cold weather so she was fine." It was 80 degrees out two days before the storm and she wouldn't have had the chance to grow out much of a winter coat. I took her with the intention of returning her the next day and was hoping that her owners had merely got stranded on the ice. Given the condition she's in and the owners desire to have her back I can only assume that they do care for her but they are at best incompetent or worse, neglectful. The most damning thing of all is that she has already bonded to her new family and whines when her new daddy leaves the house. She shows no signs of being depressed or angry and is having an absolute blast playing with two other dogs her size. Edit 3 Boy that escalated quickly. I've been reading and responding to a lot of messages and yea... First off, sorry to OP for getting you in trouble. I thought you were the dogs owner and didn't realize you were posting on their behalf. I've also learned quite a bit more about greater swiss dogs than I'd ever thought I would so thanks for all that. Anyway, here's another update on all this. I never said that she was being abused. Only that she seemed to be neglected and there were multiple signs of it that were very noticeable. Please stop saying I'm making that accusation when I've done no such thing. I've changed a few details of the story to protect my identity but the essential facts remain the same and I would do it all over again without hesitation. That's why there are a few weird things about it. I'm reaching out to the humane society for advice and will have her checked out. From that I will make a decision as to what to do next. I'm talking to the mods here and if she is given a clean bill of health then they will help me return her. Again, thanks for all the support and information. I'm not some heartless monster and I would never steal a dog away from a family that loves her and cares for her. I'll do the right thing for Heidi once I get all the information.[/QUOTE]

Meh. Both parties are fucktards, honestly. The owners are a bit silly in their beliefs. Yeah, ok, it's a swiss mountain dog. But that thing has less fur on it than my fucking cat!...and even that cat gets cold when she's outside for more than 2 or 3 hours. That dog should have been left somewhere far warmer, simple as that. The 'good samaritan' is a moron because he broke in and stole the dog. There's no evidence presented so far that this guy went through the proper, legal channels to have it investigated. Two wrongs don't make a right. [QUOTE=latin_geek;43165137]Legally he didn't go through the correct channels to prevent animal abuse, isn't it still a crime? i'm not up to date on "can you trespass and steal a dog if you think it's being mistreated" laws[/QUOTE] It's not [i]exactly[/i] the same thing, but in a lot of jurisdictions, if you see someone's dog locked in a sealed car in the summer you're legally within your right to smash the windows out to save its life.

[QUOTE=TestECull;43165610]Two wrongs don't make a right.[/QUOTE] you know except he saved a life so i guess thats a plus...