Resident of Calais, France, speaks of how the migrants terrorize the city, and goes unpunished by th
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[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49759091]Aw hell no. I'm not calling him a race-traitor. Stop looking to brandish me as racist wherever possible. It's strongly supporting the government's actions when they are clearly against the interests of the population. Not the fucking refugees or whatever you want to believe I meant[/QUOTE]
He's a traitor against his nation becaaaaaause he....did
what, exactly?
I mean, besides disagree with you, which I guess is a heinous enough crime in and of itself
How has he "~betrayed his people ;(~" by disagreeing with the constant anti-immigrant rhetoric.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49759091]Aw hell no. I'm not calling him a race-traitor. Stop looking to brandish me as racist wherever possible. It's strongly supporting the government's actions when they are clearly against the interests of the population. Not the fucking refugees or whatever you want to believe I meant[/QUOTE]
cool, here's a recommendation: when you're trying to present yourself as not racist, while supporting views expressed in a video by a racist organisation, don't use language that is word for word the same language that racists use when referring to europeans who don't think people from the middle east are a problem
killuah isn't fucking betraying shit when he criticizes an organisation that has counter protests against it
in the same way that when people express extremely xenophobic views, they're not "betraying" shit
[editline]17th February 2016[/editline]
(pegida has more people counter protesting them than protesting)
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49759128]cool, here's a recommendation: when you're trying to present yourself as not racist, while supporting views expressed in a video by a racist organisation, don't use language that is word for word the same language that racists use when referring to europeans who don't think people from the middle east are a problem
killuah isn't fucking betraying shit when he criticizes an organisation that has counter protests against it
in the same way that when people express extremely xenophobic views, they're not "betraying" shit[/QUOTE]
The Nazis also use the swastika does that mean a ban should be enforced on its usage in Asia because it's exactly what they used? I couldn't gaf if I sounded similar in respects to your huge generalisation of the words "a racist" says, as I know I'm not racist even if my strong opinions are often aggressive in nature.
I didn't use language that is word-for-word. They use race-traitor, didn't you say?
Naw he ain't betraying shit when he criticizes an organisation that has counter protests against it -but here he's criticising the [B]single woman[/B] because of her political affiliation, that's fucked up as hell. No matter your opinion which obviously differs from mine I'm still willing to engage, debate and attempt to understand everybody on Facepunch that also takes their time to make an effort to reply to me, and this woman has valid concerns with actual consequences on her life so I understand and look past her political beliefs which are obviously biased as a result of her experiences.
[editline]17th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49759118]He's a traitor against his nation becaaaaaause he....did
what, exactly?
I mean, besides disagree with you, [B]which I guess is a heinous enough crime in and of itself[/B]
How has he "~betrayed his people ;(~" by disagreeing with the constant anti-immigrant rhetoric.[/QUOTE]
No it isn't. A lot of people disagree with me.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49759170]The Nazis also use the swastika does that mean a ban should be enforced on its usage in Asia because it's exactly what they used? I couldn't gaf if I sounded similar in respects to your huge generalisation of the words "a racist" says, as I know I'm not racist even if my strong opinions are often aggressive in nature.
I didn't use language that is word-for-word. They use race-traitor, didn't you say?
Naw he ain't betraying shit when he criticizes an organisation that has counter protests against it -but here he's criticising the [B]single woman[/B] because of her political affiliation, that's fucked up as hell. No matter your opinion which obviously differs from mine I'm still willing to engage, debate and attempt to understand everybody on Facepunch that also takes their time to make an effort to reply to me.
[editline]17th February 2016[/editline]
No it isn't. A lot of people disagree with me.[/QUOTE]
because you're not arguing with someone trying to convince you of anecdotes that happened to them, while at the same time being a member of a racist organisation.
when someone is arguing with you, sure, taking their background into account is bad form because it's not relevant
when someone is trying to convince you that they have seen bands of migrants roaming calais beating people up, when they're a member of a racist, anti-muslim organisation, it might be JUST A BIT reasonable to think they're talking shit
and yes, you did use the language word for word, you said that he was "betraying his own people" - this is the language that is used almost exclusively by racists when used concerning government policy and immigrants
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49759091]Aw hell no. I'm not calling him a race-traitor. Stop looking to brandish me as racist wherever possible. It's strongly supporting the government's actions when they are clearly against the interests of the population. Not the fucking refugees or whatever you want to believe I meant[/QUOTE]
okay well to begin with a Pegida rally does not necessarily equal the general population of Germany, so the base assumption here is made on shaky evidence
and secondly even if it did, you're essentially saying anything less than full agreement with what the overwhelming majority of your country thinks is betraying the country as a concept because ??? because snitches get stitches i guess?
and thirdly if you think someone should bow to peer pressure for having a different opinion than most people, then you have no right to complain about people jumping down your throat for controversial opinions on immigrants or "not toeing the party line" on them or whatever shit you can pull to make it look like you're just telling it how it is
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49759193]because you're not arguing with someone trying to convince you of anecdotes that happened to them, while at the same time being a member of a racist organisation.
when someone is arguing with you, sure, taking their background into account is bad form because it's not relevant
when someone is trying to convince you that they have seen bands of migrants roaming calais beating people up, when they're a member of a racist, anti-muslim organisation, it might be JUST A BIT reasonable to think they're talking shit
and yes, you did use the language word for word, you said that he was "betraying his people" - this is the language that is used almost exclusively by racists when used concerning government policy and immigrants[/QUOTE]
What about the Scots that when the verdict was received in the independence referendum that said the Scots had betrayed their own people. Racist?
If you want me to meet you half way. When I watched the video and she was mentioning but not explaining why exactly she was being evicted from her house "I won't explain why it's a long story". Long story implies it was happening before the refugees arrived and therefore that it's irrelevant and is using it as ammunition.
george carlin is turning in his grave
[QUOTE=Cone;49759210]okay well to begin with a Pegida rally does not necessarily equal the general population of Germany, so the base assumption here is made on shaky evidence
and secondly even if it did, you're essentially saying anything less than full agreement with what the overwhelming majority of your country thinks is betraying the country as a concept because ??? because snitches get stitches i guess?
and thirdly if you think someone should bow to peer pressure for having a different opinion than most people, then you have no right to complain about people jumping down your throat for controversial opinions on immigrants or "not toeing the party line" on them or whatever shit you can pull to make it look like you're just telling it how it is[/QUOTE]
I did not once ever say a Pegida rally equals the general population of Germany. She is but a minor example I used. What is it with you guys and putting words in my mouth? Use only the words that I say because I pick them carefully so you don't do that.
" thirdly if you think someone should bow to peer pressure for having a different opinion than most people"
You're assuming I think anything similar to that completely unrelated and unfabricated notion, so nevermind.
Are all racists now a hivemind? The fucking irony.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49759217]What about the Scots that when the verdict was received in the independence referendum that said the Scots had betrayed their own people. Racist?
If you want me to meet you half way. When I watched the video and she was mentioning but not explaining why exactly she was being evicted from her house "I won't explain why it's a long story". Long story implies it was happening before the refugees arrived and therefore that it's irrelevant and is using it as ammunition.[/QUOTE]
"when used concerning government policy and immigrants"
ask yourself why she's bringing up this problem now in relation to the current refugee crisis, when calais has had a migrant problem since the early 2000's because france has been terrible at integrating and dealing with them, and the UK has been terrible about helping
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49759235]"when used concerning government policy and immigrants"
ask yourself why she's bringing up this problem now in relation to the current refugee crisis, when calais has had a migrant problem since the early 2000's because france has been terrible at integrating and dealing with them, and the UK has been terrible about helping[/QUOTE]
Of course I know what she's doing. I know she's from Pegida. I know she's probably racist too.
I just empathised with her speech and it made me want to help somehow. Does that make me racist?
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49759246]Of course I know what she's doing. I know she's from Pegida. I know she's probably racist too.
I just empathised with her speech and it made me want to help somehow. Does that make me racist?[/QUOTE]
you empathised with a speech on immigrants by a racist in a racist organisation, and you "want to help"
you tell me
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49759259]you empathised with a speech on immigrants by a racist in a racist organisation, and you "want to help"
you tell me[/QUOTE]
I want to volunteer in the jungle for fuck's sake.
You've got the wrong target for racism
[editline]17th February 2016[/editline]
When my passport comes in I'm flying to a family home in the Netherlands to volunteer in Nijmegen camps.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49759263]I want to volunteer in the jungle for fuck's sake.
You've got the wrong target for racism
[editline]17th February 2016[/editline]
When my passport comes in I'm flying to a family home in the Netherlands to volunteer in Nijmegen camps.[/QUOTE]
good luck i hope you have a positive experience
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49759285]good luck i hope you have a positive experience[/QUOTE]
Keeping the peace among the people will be enough for me, thanks a lot
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