• Martin Shkreli's trolling transcends space and time
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51571984] But please don't let me stop you worshipping your beloved memelord. [/QUOTE] HA. Fuck me dude you got me, im in love with the meme lord i only really paid attention to just this thread and barely knew about, the guy who im giving the benefit of the doubt because he provided a solid justification and argument for himself where you cant. Jesus christ.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51571984]The fuck are you even talking about, I'm saying that him saying that stuff proves nothing because it's literally only his word and his business choices suggest he's a shithead [/QUOTE] But how can his words make him a shithead when you obviously cant believe any of his words because he is a liar
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51571991]Yeah I'm sure he's totally a lovely charitable man who raises drug prices 500%[/QUOTE] I was referring to you, holy shit. You claim he's obviously lying because its literally only his word when you're doing the exact same shit.\ Oh also you seem to have ignored every explanation behind why and how he did that whole thing. Going by what he claims, the shit he's doing has reduced the amount of people who cant access the drug. Prove him wrong.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51571991]Yeah I'm sure he's totally a lovely charitable man who raises drug prices 500%[/QUOTE] Most pills today don't cause $13. A percentage is not very important here.
[QUOTE=MadPro119;51571993]But how can his words make him a shithead when you obviously cant believe any of his words because he is a liar[/QUOTE] He could release that financial data if he wanted to be transparent, but he hasn't and probably never will so we literally only have his word. [editline]23rd December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MadPro119;51571995]Most pills today don't cause $13. A percentage is not very important here.[/QUOTE] You already know the amount he raised it to, I don't think I need to repeat that.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51571996]He could release that financial data if he wanted to be transparent, but he hasn't and probably never will so we literally only have his word.[/QUOTE] You're making the claim, wheres the evidence he's lying.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51571966]Thats... Thats exactly how it works though. He's innocent... Until [i]proven[/i] guilty. Carcarcargo is claiming he's lying, the burden of proof is on him. [editline]23rd December 2016[/editline] Like what the fuck, how did you type that out and not realize what you said :v:[/QUOTE] innocent until proven guilty applies to the person who first makes the claim. in a court setting the burden of proof falls the accuser because they're the first claimant carcarcargo is claiming that shkreli could be lying, which is a completely valid statement because anyone could be lying unless they have proof to back up their claims i guess i can say that i'm actually a 9000 year old invisible dragon vampire hybrid who fucks your mom on the low every day. and you can't say otherwise until you prove that i'm not because the burden of proving that i'm lying falls on you now
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51571996] You already know the amount he raised it to, I don't think I need to repeat that.[/QUOTE] This was explained to you on the last page. [editline]23rd December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Jund;51572004]innocent until proven guilty applies to the person who first makes the claim. in a court setting the burden of proof falls the accuser because they're the first claimant carcarcargo is claiming that shkreli could be lying, which is a completely valid statement because anyone could be lying unless they have proof to back up their claims i guess i can say that i'm actually a 9000 year old invisible dragon vampire hybrid who fucks your mom on the low every day. and you can't say otherwise until you prove that i'm not because the burden of proving that i'm lying falls on you[/QUOTE] What. No im pretty sure thats guilty until proven innocent.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51572003]You're making the claim, wheres the evidence he's lying.[/QUOTE] The burden of proof isn't on me, it's on him to prove those figures he cited are true. What am I supposed to do break into his financial office?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51572013]The burden of proof isn't on me, it's on him to prove those figures he cited are true. What am I supposed to do break into his financial office?[/QUOTE] Thats not how it works. You. Made the claim. You. [i]PROVE[/i] the claim.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51572015]Thats not how it works. You. Made the claim. You. [i]PROVE[/i] the claim.[/QUOTE] No HE made the claim, I'm saying he's provided no proof for that claim so there's no reason to believe him. HE has to prove that claim not me.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51571996]He could release that financial data if he wanted to be transparent, but he hasn't and probably never will so we literally only have his word.[/QUOTE] hello, i did some research and found the financial statements following the 500% price hike, found by googling "turing pharmaceutical financial statements", which backs up pretty much everything shkreli had said himself [url]http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151112006529/en/Turing-Pharmaceuticals-AG-Announces-Quarter-Business-Highlights[/url]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51572018]No HE made the claim, I'm saying he's provided no proof for that claim so there's no reason to believe him. HE has to prove that claim not me.[/QUOTE] Uh, no? He's denying one claim, you're making another, what the fuck are you talking about.
[QUOTE=Saxon;51570706]He was CEO of a drug company that raised the price of a HIV drug 1000% overnight. The public went to sham him and he turned his new found infamy to become the Internets biggest troll by spewing shit on twitter. He appears on TV occasionally and is just a totally normal dude.[/QUOTE] His drug does not treat HIV, he says so in the video that its not even close to Aids.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51572019]hello, i did some research and found the financial statements following the 500% price hike, found by googling "turing pharmaceutical financial statements", which backs up pretty much everything shkreli had said himself [url]http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151112006529/en/Turing-Pharmaceuticals-AG-Announces-Quarter-Business-Highlights[/url][/QUOTE] Damn son, blown the fuck out of the god damn water. [QUOTE=Jund;51572004]innocent until proven guilty applies to the person who first makes the claim. in a court setting the burden of proof falls the accuser because they're the first claimant carcarcargo is claiming that shkreli could be lying, which is a completely valid statement because anyone could be lying unless they have proof to back up their claims i guess i can say that i'm actually a 9000 year old invisible dragon vampire hybrid who fucks your mom on the low every day. and you can't say otherwise until you prove that i'm not because the burden of proving that i'm lying falls on you now[/QUOTE] Wow... just amazement.
[QUOTE=Jund;51572004]innocent until proven guilty applies to the person who first makes the claim. in a court setting the burden of proof falls the accuser because they're the first claimant carcarcargo is claiming that shkreli could be lying, which is a completely valid statement because anyone could be lying unless they have proof to back up their claims i guess i can say that i'm actually a 9000 year old invisible dragon vampire hybrid who fucks your mom on the low every day. and you can't say otherwise until you prove that i'm not because the burden of proving that i'm lying falls on you now[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if you've done this intentionally but those two are not all too similar. One is a claim in regards to another and the other is a claim about one's self. They are handled differently. If I claim someone committed a crime, the burden of proof is on me. If I claimed I committed a crime, the burden is also on me. To put it to your example. You would have to prove you are a 9000 year old invisible dragon vampire hybrid who fucks my mother on the low ever day. Why would that possibly fall to someone else to prove?
It can be noted that the businesswire article is also on Turing's site, which gives it a lot more validation [url]https://www.turingpharma.com/press-releases/11/turing-pharmaceuticals-ag-announces-third-quarter-business-highlights-and-financial-results/[/url]
So so far we have evidence supporting Shkrelis argument, and zero from Carcarcargo. But he's obviously lying because he's a bad man who lies and you dont need to prove someones lying its just automatic he's a liar.
[QUOTE=BlueFlytrap;51572027]I'm not sure if you've done this intentionally but those two are not all too similar. One is a claim in regards to another and the other is a claim about one's self. They are handled differently. If I claim someone committed a crime, the burden of proof is on me. If I claimed I committed a crime, the burden is also on me. To put it to your example. You would have to prove you are a 9000 year old invisible dragon vampire hybrid who fucks my mother on the low ever day. Why would that possibly fall to someone else to prove?[/QUOTE] why would i have to prove my claim? i made a claim about myself as did shkreli in regards to his company, but why is it expected that only i have to prove that i'm telling the truth? if you accuse me of lying i have to prove that i'm telling the truth, but if you accuse shkreli of lying it's innocent until proven guilty? i don't give a shit if he is or isn't lying. innocent until proven guilty isn't subjective just because you like the person's memes
[QUOTE=Toro;51572030]It can be noted that the businesswire article is also on Turing's site, which gives it a lot more validation [url]https://www.turingpharma.com/press-releases/11/turing-pharmaceuticals-ag-announces-third-quarter-business-highlights-and-financial-results/[/url][/QUOTE] i should have posted that one initially but i had found it through some businesswire articles so i had used the URL i had found additionally, here are all of the recent press releases from Turing Pharmaceutical, which indicate they are indeed continuing to pour research into new toxoplasmosis drugs as well as continuing to ensure patients do not bear the price of daraprim [url]https://www.turingpharma.com/press-releases/[/url]
[QUOTE=Jund;51572045]why would i have to prove my claim? i made a claim about myself as did shkreli in regards to his company, but why is it expected that only i have to prove that i'm telling the truth? if you accuse me of lying i have to prove that i'm telling the truth, but if you accuse shkreli of lying it's innocent until proven guilty?[/QUOTE] Uh, no, if you're accused of lying the person accusing you has to prove you're lying. "the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies" [QUOTE=Jund;51572045]i don't give a shit if he is or isn't lying. innocent until proven guilty isn't subjective just because you like the person's memes[/QUOTE] You dont understand what innocent until proven guilty is tho.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51572034]So so far we have evidence supporting Shkrelis argument, and zero from Carcarcargo. But he's obviously lying because he's a bad man who lies and you dont need to prove someones lying its just automatic he's a liar.[/QUOTE] he made the claim that he might be lying before proof was posted just because he was wrong doesn't mean jack shit to whether or not the burden of proof fell on him
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51570119] Defensive baby girl here. She's not willing to give any ground or l[/QUOTE] elixwhitewhale let me FINISH! so as I was saying
[QUOTE=Jund;51572048]he made the claim that he might be lying before proof was posted just because he was wrong doesn't mean jack shit to whether or not the burden of proof fell on him[/QUOTE] Except it does because it did because you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. You're talking about guilty until proven innocent, we're talking about innocent until proven guilty, you flipped it, easy confusion y'see.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51572047]Uh, no, if you're accused of lying the person accusing you has to prove you're lying. "the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies"[/QUOTE] ok so prove that i'm not a 9000 year old invisible dragon vampire hybrid who fucks your mom on the low every day [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Click here for attached proof (link)." - Bradyns))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Jund;51572051]ok so prove that i'm not a 9000 year old invisible dragon vampire hybrid who fucks your mom on the low every day[/QUOTE] ... Excuse me, let me paste it again. [u][b]The burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies.[/b][/u] You declared it, you prove it.
[QUOTE=Jund;51572048]he made the claim that he might be lying before proof was posted just because he was wrong doesn't mean jack shit to whether or not the burden of proof fell on him[/QUOTE] the proof was always there, this all could have been avoid had they done some preliminary research before posting their own accusation
The burden of proof = The one who declares. The burden of proof =/=The one who denies. How is this so hard to understand.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51572057]... Excuse me, let me paste it again. [u][b]The burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies.[/b][/u] You declared it, you prove it.[/QUOTE] shkreli declared that he was taking a net loss but didn't prove it in the stream carcarcargo claimed that he was lying but you didn't rebuke with proof that shkreli was telling the truth, only that carcarcargo had to prove that shkreli was lying how come you assumed that carcarcargo was in the wrong and shkreli was in the right automatically before any proof backing shkreli up was actually posted?
[QUOTE=Jund;51572069]damn shkreli declared that he was taking a net loss but didn't prove it in the stream carcarcargo claimed that he was lying but you didn't rebuke with proof that shkreli was telling the truth, only that carcarcargo had to prove that shkreli was lying. how come you assumed that carcarcargo was in the wrong and shkreli was in the right automatically before any proof backing shkreli up was actually posted?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151112006529/en/Turing-Pharmaceuticals-AG-Announces-Quarter-Business-Highlights[/url] Conveniently ignoring some of the links posted on the same page or just an idiot? I bet my money on both.
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