Call of dutys best looking toy gun ever - General

Dude who cares, the game is fun, people enjoy it, I enjoy it, people play it to pass time, what's the big deal?

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;38600393]Dude who cares, the game is fun, people enjoy it, I enjoy it, people play it to pass time, what's the big deal?[/QUOTE] But I don't have any problem with people having fun with the game. It might not be my type of game but I'll respect other people's personal taste. The only thing I have a problem with is calling something that should be an expansion at best a new game and selling it for full price, and people advocating it. Actually I think CoD is the best of it's kind when it comes to mindless, instant action, casual FPS. And there is a huge market for it. The only thing I'm not okay with is reselling the same game every year and people saying that it's a different game because it has new weapons/killstreaks/textures/maps.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38584135]Blops 2 is actually fun and I like it, probably my favorite since 4. You guys need to stop blindly insulting it unless you've played it. I can understand insulting MW3 and the others, because those were bad. I like this one though.[/QUOTE] Its ok to be gay

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;38600368]You and raidyr were going against my posts. I assumed you talked about me. Sorry if I was wrong. And I agree. People who complain about things without even trying them are wrong. I did, what are you talking about? I've said that in almost every post. Wow it's [I]almost [/I]like you addressed what I said. I said I'll be back in 2 days to let you know that the next reply from me you'd be getting would be tomorrow. Unfortunately my job errand didn't work out so I'm back.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that was my mistake, I forgot that you had said that.

you're using it wrong. it has pretty poor damage and range (as you'd expect out of a round designed to kill snakes, rats, and other domestic pests) but one hits if you're close enough and has such an absurd rate of fire that it actually becomes pretty well balanced. it's a great secondary if your primary is a battle rifle, like the SCAR H or FAL OSW, if you're using any LMG, or if you're using the Kel-tec KSG. it's also downright overpowered in hardcore free for all, you just sit in a corner and blast anything that moves

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;38594911]What? He said that he'd like to see a change in graphics and that he doesn't know what could be changed in gameplay. (when making a sequel) If they would take Diablo2:Lord of Destruction and call it Diablo3, take Warcraft3: The Frozen Throne and call it Warcraft4, take StarCraft 2: Heart of the Swarm and call it Starcraft3 I'd be "bandwagoning" about it too. See blizzard knows when to call expansion an expansion. Do you honestly not see the difference in scope of changes from CoD4 to MW2 and changes between MW2, BO1, MW3 and BO2? That kind of change would make me call them new games. Basically if the changes in game can be achieved with installing texture, sound, map and weapon packs then the game should be called expansion at best. If having all those things changed means that I get a new game, then I can get skyrim2, 3, 4 and maybe 5 just using the workshop. All I'll get will be the same game, just changed a bit. That's why I don't call those recent CoDs new games. Wow it has different textures. It's a completely new game. Hold on I'm gonna change the textures in HL2 and play some HL3. I'd say the same about every game that sells modpacks as new games. "oh look at me I can't read" [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=38581572#post38581572"]I have >700 hours played in MW2, >240 in BO1 and >430 in MW3. I've tried BO2 and it's still the same game[/URL] Actually I bought MW2 and was pretty happy about my purchase. Then BO1 came out and I thought "well lets get that new one everyone's pissing about" and because the competitive play would switch from MW2 to BO1. And then when I bought and played it I thought "holy shit it's the same game" and then I was unhappy about buying the same game twice. MW3 I didn't buy. It was gifted to me. And guess what I was happy I didn't buy it (and pay 3rd time for the same game). And I won't buy new CoD unless they make one. And I don't see what your argument is trying to prove. That if it wasn't the same game I wouldn't play it for hours? What? How does one contradict another? Like I can't play the same game for thousands of hours. And the reason I've played so much CoD was competitive play with friends. Competitive gaming and my friends were the reason I have so many hours played not the game itself. So both your reasoning and base of your argument are wrong. Btw I'll be back in 2 days.[/QUOTE] But you fail to see that they didn't just "mod" the game, you treat the whole company like a group of indie developers when they all have degrees in their respective positions. What do you have? You're arguing on the internet about how their game doesn't live up to your standards. You're like undermining the game when they did change plenty of things while keeping the "core" gameplay mechanics, which is why it's Call of Duty. I'm trying to get you to offer some advice without being a total jackoff, which is why I asked you what you'd like to see in the new game. So this is where I give up because you keep getting defensive about it and saying that all the games look the same without backing your shit up by offering an improvement. You keep saying "This is what a new game should be why can't infinity ward do this they keep releasing the same game every year wahhhhhhhh".

Honestly I just wouldn't bother he has been a fixture in every CoD thread since MW2 came out, he just likes to argue for the sake of arguing.

[QUOTE=ycap5;38609326]But you fail to see that they didn't just "mod" the game, you treat the whole company like a group of indie developers when they all have degrees in their respective positions. What do you have? You're arguing on the internet about how their game doesn't live up to your standards. You're like undermining the game when they did change plenty of things while keeping the "core" gameplay mechanics, which is why it's Call of Duty. I'm trying to get you to offer some advice without being a total jackoff, which is why I asked you what you'd like to see in the new game. So this is where I give up because you keep getting defensive about it and saying that all the games look the same without backing your shit up by offering an improvement. You keep saying "This is what a new game should be why can't infinity ward do this they keep releasing the same game every year wahhhhhhhh".[/QUOTE] I don't understand you on so many levels. First off you are using adhominem as an argument why I'm wrong. Remember that nice chart you've posted? You're saying that they have degrees in their respective positions and I don't so I'm wrong. Second, core should stay the same in sequels, I never said it shouldn't. You're saying that they've changed plenty of things. What did they change except visuals, sounds, weapons, killstreaks and maps? You know stuff that you could get with mods. And another question, when does a game became a new game and not an expansion or whatever? When a guy with a degree says so? Third, you've asked a question "what should the game have in order to be called a new game by you" so I've given you examples and you go "nope that's no the answer for my question". I'll consider it a new CoD when the change is at least as big as from CoD4 to MW2. See the game evolved. It's not just more of it, it's improved, better. BO1, MW3 and BO2 just gives you more of MW2, that's what expansions do. You can get all that with mod tools. I can download mods for Natural Selection 2 and by your standards I'd be playing NS3. [QUOTE=Raidyr;38610043]Honestly I just wouldn't bother he has been a fixture in every CoD thread since MW2 came out, he just likes to argue for the sake of arguing.[/QUOTE] No one has ever answered my arguments tho. All you people've been doing was attacking me for "hating bandwagon", and acting like I'm telling people they shouldn't enjoy the game. Maybe if you'd answer to what I'm actually saying then I'd shut up. Probably even now you're thinking that I'm somehow trying to prove how CoD is horrible and no one should buy it.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;38610055] No one has ever answered my arguments tho. [/QUOTE] Your arbitrary requirements for what makes a video game sequel a legitimate sequel don't match up with other peoples requirements, and, more importantly, reality.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38610258]Your arbitrary requirements for what makes a video game sequel a legitimate sequel don't match up with other peoples requirements, and, more importantly, reality.[/QUOTE] What makes a sequel a sequel then? A higher number in the title? And if my requirements wouldn't match reality then every expansion would be a new game.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;38610284]What makes a sequel a sequel then? A higher number in the title? And if my requirements wouldn't match reality then every expansion would be a new game.[/QUOTE] The fact that it's a sequel. ... This is why no one argues with you. Because you have ridiculous circular logic that [I]doesn't end[/I]. I just told you that your requirements don't match reality and you are already questioning reality instead of your own requirements. Black Ops 2 is a sequel to Black Ops because it's called Black Ops 2 and was made as a followup to that title. [B]That's the literal definition of the word sequel. [/B] [editline]27th November 2012[/editline] And expansions aren't new games because they are [I]expansions[/I].

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38610304]The fact that it's a sequel. ... This is why no one argues with you. Because you have ridiculous circular logic that [I]doesn't end[/I]. I just told you that your requirements don't match reality and you are already questioning reality instead of your own requirements. Black Ops 2 is a sequel to Black Ops because it's called Black Ops 2 and was made as a followup to that title. [B]That's the literal definition of the word sequel. [/B] [editline]27th November 2012[/editline] And expansions aren't new games because they are [I]expansions[/I].[/QUOTE] So the difference between an expansion and a new game is what the company releasing it called it? If blizzard wanted they could have just taken "Warcraft 3: the frozen throne" and called it "Warcraft 4" and sell it as a new game for complete price? And you'd argue how that's a new game and not an expansion? Same for I don't know, the DLCs for Battlefield3? If EA would call "Back To Karkand" "Battlefield4" it would be enough to call it new game? And seriously raidyr? Circular logic? Can you point out the circle? Cause my logic is this: This is the difference you get with a new game, this is the difference you get with expansion or mods. Changes from CoD4 to MW2 fit the description of a new game, changes between MW2, BO1, MW3, BO2 don't. That's my logic. You wanna know what I'd call a new game? Something that changes more than visuals, sounds, weapon stats and maps without changing the core. Something that you can't get with mod/map packs. Seeing the game evolve, not just getting more of the same. That's what mods/expansions/dlcs do. The title doesn't matter. If someone would rerelease a game without changing anything but adding a higher number to the title, would that fact alone make it a new game? Because it's called differently? No it wouldn't, it would be the same game with different name. I'm exaggerating here, this didn't happen with CoD. They changed things. But you could get the same results with proper mod/map tools. So in my opinion that's not enough to call it a new game. You think that it's enough to call something a new game by the dev/publisher to make it a different game. I think you actually need to make a new game, not just call it a new game. Thank you for FINALLY answering to what I'm actually saying. We've found the reason of our disagreement.

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[QUOTE=OH-SNAP!;38577448]The POV is altered. On normal POV, the gun is close enough so that you don't notice. :v:[/QUOTE] Just like in MW2. Playing 4Delta1 with a fov of 85. Oh lordy the FN FAL animations; the new magazine is hovering under the left arm. Or dual sawnoffs have the new shells magically find their way in the barrel.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;38610376]So the difference between an expansion and a new game is what the company releasing it called it? If blizzard wanted they could have just taken "Warcraft 3: the frozen throne" and called it "Warcraft 4" and sell it as a new game for complete price? And you'd argue how that's a new game and not an expansion? Same for I don't know, the DLCs for Battlefield3? If EA would call "Back To Karkand" "Battlefield4" it would be enough to call it new game? And seriously raidyr? Circular logic? Can you point out the circle? Cause my logic is this: This is the difference you get with a new game, this is the difference you get with expansion or mods. Changes from CoD4 to MW2 fit the description of a new game, changes between MW2, BO1, MW3, BO2 don't. That's my logic. You wanna know what I'd call a new game? Something that changes more than visuals, sounds, weapon stats and maps without changing the core. Something that you can't get with mod/map packs. Seeing the game evolve, not just getting more of the same. That's what mods/expansions/dlcs do. The title doesn't matter. If someone would rerelease a game without changing anything but adding a higher number to the title, would that fact alone make it a new game? Because it's called differently? No it wouldn't, it would be the same game with different name. I'm exaggerating here, this didn't happen with CoD. They changed things. But you could get the same results with proper mod/map tools. So in my opinion that's not enough to call it a new game. You think that it's enough to call something a new game by the dev/publisher to make it a different game. I think you actually need to make a new game, not just call it a new game. Thank you for FINALLY answering to what I'm actually saying. We've found the reason of our disagreement.[/QUOTE] Answer my question. [quote]What do you want to see come out of the new call of duty game that determines it different from the other titles?[/quote]

It doesn't matter what form whether it be an expansion, DLC or apparent new sequel that developers decide to release new content and how much of that content they expect people to pay for it. At the end of the day, 'pure' new games are built out of the same content. Content that is new. Some DLC and expansions can be game changing and might not be considered to some like the original game. Others will disagree.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38610304]The fact that it's a sequel. ... This is why no one argues with you. Because you have ridiculous circular logic that [I]doesn't end[/I]. I just told you that your requirements don't match reality and you are already questioning reality instead of your own requirements. Black Ops 2 is a sequel to Black Ops because it's called Black Ops 2 and was made as a followup to that title. [B]That's the literal definition of the word sequel. [/B] [editline]27th November 2012[/editline] And expansions aren't new games because they are [I]expansions[/I].[/QUOTE] I tried arguing with Silly Sil once and it went on forever because he wouldn't stop until everyone in the thread had his view, even though I had accepted his view. Don't bother asking which thread cause I don't remember.

[QUOTE=ycap5;38615221]Answer my question.[/QUOTE] Are you insane? The answer to your question is in the post you've replied to. Are you actually reading them or what? That entire post is about what makes something a expansion and what makes it a new game. And yet you quote it and ask the same question again. Or are you asking for specifics for CoD? I don't know. Could be a milion things. I won't pretend to know what would the fanbase like. And what determines whether something is a sequel or an expansion for you? The title? [QUOTE=Tetsmega;38616008]I tried arguing with Silly Sil once and it went on forever because he wouldn't stop until everyone in the thread had his view, even though I had accepted his view. Don't bother asking which thread cause I don't remember.[/QUOTE] Well if someone else comes in and starts the same argument again I'll reply. Do you remember what was it about?